Hoopdata introduces next-generation boxscores

This is some good stuff right here. Every night, Hoopdata takes the info from games the night before and produces a boxscore that goes well beyond "regular" statistics. For example, here's last night's Spurs win over the Clippers.

h/t to Blazersedge

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Blase is now very, very happy.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 22, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It is kind of freaky if you go to the “Team” stats. At this point of the season, the LAL have a better defensive efficiency than SAS. And SAS has a better offensive efficiency than LAL. Not what one would expect. (Or I could just be reading it wrong.)

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Dec 22, 2009 3:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nope, it’s been that way all year. What Artest giveth on D, he taketh away on offense.

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 22, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So you’re saying that’s what you expectedth? OK.

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Dec 22, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Spurs are a top 5 offensive team, but I am disappointed with the D. I expected the Lakers to be slightly worse on O and slightly better on D, but it seems somewhat exaggerated at this point.

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 22, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is why I haven’t banned you yet. Occasionally, you’re actually funny. ;-) That, and it’s fun to see you get all riled up about the “Team of the Decade” debate. There has been a preponderance of those articles lately.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 22, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well thank you. I just finished all my shopping so I’m in the holiday spirit. Here have a colorful Spurs Christmas tree ornament:

And when I say colorful I mean the tree of course. :)

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Dec 22, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Does your closeted love for the Spurs know no bounds?

I say it doesn’t.

Merry Christmas, olf. Guys like you aren’t gowning on trees.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 22, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ooh, that reminds me of the lexicon. wait. what?

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Dec 22, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like these boxscores. Yay!

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Dec 22, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

They need to put a key with what some of the abbreviations mean to make it even better.

by Spurlady on Dec 22, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Spurlady, I’m guessing it’s like those really expensive jewelry places that don’t have price tags under the assumption that if you have to ask, then you can’t afford it.

Well, the thought here is this: if you don’t already know what the abbreviations are before you visit, then the advanced stats aren’t meant for your perusal. “Move along. Nothing to see here.”

I felt pretty left out, myself.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 22, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From the first set of box scores I think the only ones that are not clear are AFGM and CHG. My best guesses

AFGM —> Assisted Field Goals Made
CHG —> Charges produced defensively (this one is out there probably)

Im not sure what the column in the final set of box scores (advanced statistics) mean

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 22, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone please rescue us from our own ignorance.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

where the hell is underdog?

When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.

by the little o on Dec 23, 2009 2:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rebound rates, EFG% and TS% are explained here and here.

PC and PU are explained in the hoopdata site itself:

PC = Points Contributed: Pts + Ast*2/3 – AstFGM*2/3
PU = Possessions Used: FGA + TO + Ast*1/3 – AstFGM*1/3 + FTA*0.44

It’s the first time I’ve heard of either, but they seem to be pretty useful in determining which players, well, contributed to the offense.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Dec 23, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the input.

by Spurlady on Dec 23, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry guys, we’re going to have something resembling an on-page glossary soon.

by Joe Treutlein on Dec 23, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for stopping by!

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 23, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Love all the new metrics. Our lack of understanding is not your fault. I look forward to perusing these boxscores in the future. Hey bossman, can we add a permanent linky for Hoopdata to the sidebar?

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 23, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just remind me, I can edit the blogroll/links section to add them.

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 23, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you make the links play a little sliding whistle sound every time we click on them?

"Under the tutelage....of Randy Tutelage"

by Hipuks on Dec 23, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, I’m a bit late, but HD is now linked in our sidebar.

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 24, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mr. Treutlein put these up on 48 Minutes, since I’m not great at linking, I just copied and pasted the information.

“Since I’m sure it’s going to be asked about, we don’t yet have a glossary to define all the abbreviations on the new box score pages. That’s definitely something we’ll be adding in the coming days to make it easier to process for people unfamiliar with a lot of the metrics.

I’ll clear up some of the commonly asked ones now.

CHG = Charges Drawn
AFGM = Assisted Field Goals Made
BLKD = Own Shots Blocked

I think the Shot Locations are pretty simple enough, but if you’re unfamiliar with eFG%, it just gives extra weight to threes to compensate for their extra points scored.

USG = Usage Rate
AR = Assist Rate
TOR = Turnover Rate
ORR/DRR/TRR = Rebound Rates
TS% = Scoring efficiency measure that accounts for Free Throws and Threes
%AST = Percentage of player’s FGM that were assisted"

by Spurlady on Dec 23, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs