PtR QuickCap: Manu is back, Spurs Slash Raptors 131-124, Pop Suffers Brain Aneurysm
by Tim C. on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 PM CST
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Yeah, that's right: 131-124. Not the way we're used to the Spurs winning games, and not exactly Pop's favorite way to win. But it was inevitable, and a W is a W. And that was fun, wasn't it?
About an hour before the game, the Spurs sent out word that Tim Duncan would not be playing. At that moment, the fate of tonight's boxscore was sealed. Without Tim Duncan, the Spurs had no chance of guarding Toronto's frontcourt tandem of Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani. Luckily, the Raptors play some of the worst defense in the NBA.
So the Spurs had to be extremely aggressive to win this game, and they came out of the gate looking to attack the rim. George Hill got things started in the first half, with some help from Richard Jefferson and Matt Bonner. Yes, Matt Bonner - in case you didn't know, he's wicked awesome. He even embarrassed the Raps by getting to the rim. Repeatedly. One such time, he even ate Toronto's Hoagie:
I'm waiting for a comet to hit after this. Or maybe a Red Rocket.
We also were hitting the boards like crazy. Or at least, some of the Spurs were. Antonio McDyess had his best game as a Spur, with 10 rebounds and 3 assists to go with his 7 points, and he made Chris Bosh's life a lot less easy on the defensive end. RJ had 8 boards, Cubits had 5, and the prime deity of PtR got 8 rebounds, but we'll get to him in a minute. Dejuan Blair had 7 rebounds in a decidely human performance. He'd better be saving the beastliness for the Mavs game on Wednesday. By the end of the game, the Spurs had a 41-29 rebounding advantage, and at half it was 21-13. (We must have been getting outrebounded in prior games because of that selfish bastard Tim Duncan. Who does that guy think he is?)
Anyway, the game went into the half tied at 63, despite the Raptors shooting 63% to our 42%. Yeah, it helps when you rebound the basketball, doesn't it? Only turning the ball over 3 times in each half is also helpful to your cause.
When the second half started, we were just trading baskets with the Raptors, but it soon became obvious that Manu Ginobili was back for this game. Manu was the spark driving the offense, and his 4 blocks made him a force on the defensive end as well. Even though we were down by 2 after the 3rd quarter, there was an unmistakable feeling that with Manu, everything was going to turn out right in the end. The man was possessed, driving past, around, and between defenders, attacking from all angles, and making all the right passes. Oh, and the 3-point shooting was deadly. It was vintage Manu, using every weapon in his arsenal to declaw the Raptors.
Here's your boxscore, courtesy of Hipuks:
Your 3 Stars
Antonio McDyess - No, he didn't fill up the box score like others did. But he was the only thing resembling interior defense. He forced turnovers, rebounded like a madman, and generally made it harder for Bosh to keep his rhythm after a hot start. (Honorable mention to George Hill, who did a hell of a job filling in for Tony tonight.)
Richard Jefferson - 24 points, 8 rebounds, and 7 assists. This is precisely why the Spurs traded for RJ: another creator on offense when one or more of the Big 3 are out. Somebody on SpursTalk said RJ was a one-dimensional scorer - I think they might want to reconsider that statement.
Manu Ginobili - Did you expect anyone else? 36 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds, and 4 blocks. There's nothing Manu can't do. I think all the attention being paid to Blair got to Manu, and he had to remind us all who the most unstoppable bench player in the league really is. I think all of PtR is glad to have the Manu Ginobili back.
Damn, that was fun. Now let's put up even more points on Dallas. Or, just winning would be nice.
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hell yeah, I enjoyed that one. Yes, I would have liked a little more defense.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 9, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another entertaining performance by the San Antonio Warriors.
Conditioning was the key — their shooting arms wore out in the fourth.
by doggydogworld on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs - not playing defense anymore, since 2008.
by Tim C. on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice recap, though I would go with 5 stars for this one. Bonner deserves some praise for this game.
by Kondor on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. See below.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My lobbying for Bonner didn’t work.
He even embarrassed the Raps by getting to the rim. Repeatedly.
That’s the equivalent of Tim shooting 21/21 on free throws, or Tony playing 39 mins without a turnover. This site has got to love Bonner more.
[I would still include him in a trade for Battier though. FSM knows we need to improve on D.]
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
embarrassed the Raps?
I don’t think the Raptor fans care that much, in fact, over at Raptors HQ I read this:
argh…When you wish Bonner was on our team… you know something’s wrong…
by gdon18 on Nov 9, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that earlier. Notice how much his game and that of Mason Jr’s has improved in the San Antonio system?
They probably could have made Hoffa useful…
…ok…maybe that’s a BIT of a stretch.
by RaptorsHQ – Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonner has new converts, and they were really afraid of Blair throughout the whole game, well not those two in particular. They want Bonner…. and Mason! Lets get Bosh for them and maybe Yawn. They might want to take Blair if they’re gonna give us Bosh. The Raptors must lose a lot of games for this to be remotely possible so I won’t think about such things.
Great recap Tim. I still can’t believe Matt New Hamsphire Bonner posterized those two European players, that’s never been done before. =]
I loved the dunk, along with drives to the basket, Matt deserves an alfajor for taking it to another level. Manu deserves half an alfajor (alfa?… halfajor? ) for coming back.
When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.
by the little o on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they weren’t converted…
Mason played the 03-04 season in Toronto and Bonner (per wiki):
Bonner signed with the Raptors before the 2004–05 NBA season, averaging 7.2 points per game and played in all 82 of the Raptors’ games. Matt received the nickname “Red Rocket” during the same season due to the fact that he has red hair and was constantly sighted on the public transit in Toronto, the TTC, whose streetcars are red and slogan is ‘Ride the Rocket’.
They traded him, a second round pick, and Eric Williams for Rasho and cash. I can’t find what we did with that pick.
by BlaseE on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, we could make some of the same comments in reference to how much Hedo has improved post-Spurs, too
by BlaseE on Nov 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had 5 stars, BonBon would make the list. But the last time I expanded the list, I didn’t expand it enough, so I’m sticking with the regular format.
The Spurs - not playing defense anymore, since 2008.
by Tim C. on Nov 10, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What little I saw of the game in between the video buffering, I really liked how Hill played. Knocking down shots, going to the rim aggressively and most importantly finishing in the paint. It’s important for him to do that because it makes it harder for others to guard him since he can also knock down the three point shot, and it opens up the opportunities for others when the defense collapses on him.
Let’s see if we can put together a game in which both the offense and defense are clicking, that would be something to see.
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
…that would be something to see.
…in the midst of all the buffering.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seen on Twitter tonight:
HPbasketball
I made a preseason bet with @48minutesofhell ’s graydon Manu would not score 30 in a game. FML
Try the new PtR--now entirely BAT-FREE!
by Lauri on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Nice.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 10, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how Suns fans do it
Give my a solid 100-91 win over this. Yes, it was entertaining and considering that there was no Timmy inside and that Toronto plays as poorly on defense as it shoots the three well, I like all the scoring and pushing the pace. But 30+ points in every quarter, except the 4th (29)? Yikes, the inability to ever get a stop was so foreign. And frightening.
Credit to the Raps though. They made almost every shot for a long stretch and couldn’t miss from 3. Thank goodness for turnovers. And Manu!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
O M G. I just saw the clip of Bonner dunking. 2012 really IS here 2 years early.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
by alamobro on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn Bonner surprised the hell out of me…oh man Ginobili was a freaking monster tonight!!!
"There are two things in life that should never go together.....those two things are cheese and herpes..." - Santa Claus
by Cello the great on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
any one else see Hill’s wicked cross over’s? AWESOME
" If you don't know which chocolates are in the box, just make sure to show no mercy, take no prisoners and consume untill there’s not one sweet left standing. That way you know exactly what your getting, a temporary case of ADHD and reserved seat in diabetics (type 2)anonymous. Take that Forrest Gump!"
-GMD
by GoofyMartianDude on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1!!!
"There are two things in life that should never go together.....those two things are cheese and herpes..." - Santa Claus
by Cello the great on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saw the replay, he took about 20 beautiful steps.
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Nov 10, 2009 2:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve got to love seeing Manu’s monster stats! 4 3’s in the 4th is the Manu we all know and love. Looks like a couple of sore ankles were all that was needed to knock off the rust. I’m hoping it carries over to the next game.
by FANobili on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The four blocks must also be noted
I saw on espn that no bench player had put up his stats in those four categories since Sir Charles in 1985.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when the FUCK did we become the suns? seriously.
a wins a win, sure, but sweet fsm, my kingdom for some D…
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We also have to remember how awful the Raptors are at defense. We’ve yet to win against a good team.
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next up, Dallas. And they can play defense. They’ve already beat the Lakers (held them to 80) and the Rockets.
Dirk’s line:
PPG
26.7
RPG
8.80
EFF
+ 27.33
If we don’t figure out how to stop the other team from scoring at will between now and then, this will not be nearly as much fun to watch as last night’s game.
Try the new PtR--now entirely BAT-FREE!
by Lauri on Nov 10, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
on the road you mean. i’m counting the NOOCH (hornets) as a good team. they should make the playoffs at least.
by bones on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not with the way the Suns and Rockets are playing.
When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.
by the little o on Nov 10, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
plus there's OKC
who’s looking like they are officially the real deal now they’re young corps of players are really starting to roll.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 10, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true, that game against the Magic was impressive.
When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.
by the little o on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and seeing that gif of bondog dunking makes me realise that even the crappy nba players would actually kick all of our arses if we got a chance to play them in real life…
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Nov 10, 2009 1:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dang, Manu’s stat-line is ridonkulous. Someone tell me why we don’t start Manu, and make Parker come off the bench?
When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.
by the little o on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That’s awesome, jalberto.
by silverandblack_davis on Nov 10, 2009 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Davis. To tell the truth it was made some time ago (april 2009)
by jalberto on Nov 11, 2009 4:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manu was fantastic, George was great, and Bonner…
…well, even Calderon had to drop down at the great Hoagie Hammer’s feet and worship him.
You know those Europeans, always going overboard with praise.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Nov 10, 2009 7:20 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Best caption for a picture ever
+1
GO SPURS GO!
5 IN '10!
by WillyD on Nov 10, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd for amazing caption
plus Bonner’s got some sweet shoes.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Nov 10, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
was on the road last night and had to DVR this game. knowing that Manu went for 36 already sent me into conniptions, but seeing above that Matt Bonner threw down on his ex-team?!?!?!? heavens. imma have to leave work early to go watch this up RIGHT NOW.
i was able to tune in on radio for a good chunk of the second half and schoening was going nuts. it was fun to listen.
by bones on Nov 10, 2009 8:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How on earth are you able to pick up WOAI in Ohio?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its crazy, but i can get it. it fades in and out – and its not real good in the city. but i seem to come up with it a little bit whenever i’m in a car and the spurs are playing. i got a lot of it last night.
by bones on Nov 10, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird… here I was imagining lots of aluminum foil and you asking Mrs. Bones to stretch out the window. ;-)
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Nov 10, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you’ve met her. She’s about the LAST person I see doing that. In fact, I think I know what she would say if something like that was even suggested.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 10, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can’t wait to read my facebook page…. Mrs. Bones loves me!
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s time we admit that scoring points is fun, whether we can appreciate our usual slow pace or not. :)
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying that you are forming a group called Pouring It On Anonymous?
Because if so, Hi, my name is Lauri, and I am addicted to scoring. I know I should be happy with a balanced, boring game. I know that dunking is bad for me. But so help me FSM, when I see Manu draining the 3; when I see the Red Rocket bringing the funk with the nasty dunk; when I see George Hill pulling the ankle breaker on his way to the rim, my heart starts pounding and before you know it I’m rooting for the total to go higher . . . higher . . . higher. It’s like I can’t get enough, man, and as soon as the ball is in our hands again, I want it even worse than I did the time before.
When we go back to SpursBall, how am I going to get this monkey off my back?
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by Lauri on Nov 10, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sing it, girl.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind the scoring…
…but I want my damn Spurs defense back.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s fool’s gold. Just ask the Suns. I want defense and scoring.
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Nov 10, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The heart likes what the heart likes.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Nov 10, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It should be noted that Bonner had this great game coming off the bench.
by spursfan87 on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Keep his firepower coming from the bench and not having him match up against PF/C that over match him.
by xman130 on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It should also be noted that he played 34 minutes.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain to me what exactly is wrong with Tim’s knees? Are they just old or does hi actually have something that has deteriorated his knee joints? Sorry for the off-topic post
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was his ankle last night. I don’t know about the knees.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan has tendonosis (also spelled tendinosis), which is similar to tendinitis, but different in some significant ways. It’s chronic (it doesn’t go away), and it’s degenerative (it continues to worsen over time). And it’s not in his knees, so to speak, but it certainly affects them.
Tendonosis is characterized by degeneration of the collagen fibers in the tendon (the fibers that provide the tensile strength), tendon weakness, abnormal growth of unhealthy blood vessels through the tendon, and most importantly no inflammatory cells. Basically the nice straight strong fibers of collagen become a tangled mess of strings with little pockets of “jelly” and small weak blood vessels.
Here’s what was said about his condition this February 26:
Associated Press
SAN ANTONIO — Spurs forward Tim Duncan missed his second consecutive game Wednesday night, sitting out against Portland with a right leg injury.
The Spurs listed Duncan as day-to-day with right quad tendonosis. The perennial All-Star was a late scratch before Tuesday’s victory over Dallas after being unable to overcome stiffness in his knee during warmups.
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said the team would have to wait and see if Duncan will be healthy enough for Friday’s game against Cleveland. He said Duncan likely wouldn’t have played Tuesday even if the injury occurred at a more crucial point in the season.
“Last night he had no strength in his leg,” Popovich said. “It’s not quite as bad today.”
It’s not going to heal, unfortunately, certainly not as long as he’s playing basketball. His leg strength isn’t going to return. All he can do is try to manage the pain, adjust his playing style to account for his lack of leg strength (hence the presence of zero ups we’ve noticed lately), and rest as much as possible.
Once he retires, surgery is an option to restore blood flow to the damaged areas, but it isn’t always successful.
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by Lauri on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(And as Wayne pointed out, last night’s absence was because of an ankle injury, not the tendinosis.)
Try the new PtR--now entirely BAT-FREE!
by Lauri on Nov 10, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks Lauri.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Nov 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The man was possessed
Clearly, those rabies shots aint workin
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Nov 10, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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