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Spurs @ Jazz: Stat of the Game: 7

Last night featured an abysmal performance by our San Antonio Spurs.  I watched the entire game in disbelief.  I kept thinking, "There is no way the Spurs will play this poorly for 48 minutes;" but obviously, they did.  There were many stats that I could have highlighted that would have helped to explain just what happened, but none were so impactful as the 7 three pointers that Utah took.  6 of those came when the game was already decided.  They only connected on one of their attempts, but the fact that they only took 7 threes implies that the Spurs gave up easy, high-percentage shots to Utah all night long.

Star-divide

If you watched last night, you must have noticed that Utah's game plan was to attack the Spurs in the paint.  (And if you did not watch, lucky you.)  Sloan had his offensive players relentlessly attacking the paint and the Spurs' defenders were consistently baffled.  What troubled me was the complete lack of a Spurs response.

The Spurs guards could not stay in front of anyone.  Utah employed their Princeton style offense with a plethora of backscreens and ball picks to be sure this was the case.  However, I would argue that the weak spot of our defense was not our guards, but our big men.  With the hand checking rule, it's nearly impossible to stop a quick player; just ask Tony Parker, he has made a living off of it.  But when an opponent gets a step past his defender, it is up to the big men to cut off the gap and not allow the offensive player to penetrate.  This rarely happened, and when it did, the defensive rotation behind the scheme was late resulting in easy dump-offs for the Utah guards.

We all know Bonner is an atrocious defender; we know that going in.  If Bonner is not making his threes, he really hampers the starting five.  That's fine.  We lived with it all of last season.  It does not mean we like it, but we are accustomed to it.  My concern resides with Antonio McDyess.  He was hyped by the media as a great defender.  Last night he played like Bonner on the defensive end.  He offered no help defense, and was routinely scored on at will by Mehmet Okur.  Memhet Okur!  As in, Greg Ostertag's ugly little brother.  We need McDyess to be a stopper.  We need him to clog the paint.  If he does not perform better, the Spurs will be in for a long season.  I guarantee Sloan's strategy of attacking the Spurs in the paint will be mimicked in the coming weeks.  The Spurs need to find an answer fast.  

One last thing, so the Jazz are killing the Spurs underneath and Pop's response is to start the fourth small?  He had RJ playing PF and Blair at center.  Shockingly, that did not work at all and the Spurs never came back.  Someone needs to explain the logic.  If you are getting killed in the paint, why not throw Ratliff in there with Duncan, and play Bonner or McDyess at the 3 with RJ at the 2?  Pop did the complete opposite of what seemed logical to me.  

I realize this was just one game and only our fourth game of the season, but this game seemed more than a simple 'bad loss' for the Spurs.  Utah found a huge weakness and exploited it for 48 minutes and the Spurs never came up with a response.  Maybe McDyess just needs time to get acclimated to our defensive rotations.  Maybe Ratliff needs minutes.  Maybe Bonner needs to injure himself, (just kidding, kind of.)  I'm not setting the alarm bells off, but I will say these next six games will be very telling as to what kind of team the Spurs possess.  @ Blazers, Raptors, Dallas, OKC, @ Dallas, and Utah again.  Five of the next six will be extremely challenging.  Let's hope Pop can sort this out sooner rather than later.  In Pop we trust, for now.

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true Mr. Silva – I agree with all of it except for McDyess being touted as a ‘great defender’. There are those out there who knew that McDyess was not known for his defending. The Spurs were giving up on the defensive end by gaining McDyess but gaining a big who could hit a mid-range jumper. McDyess is not the answer for clogging the middle.

"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Artis Gilmore on Nov 6, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree with both

I like what you stated Fred and also what Gilmore had to say too. I hope we left our worst game this season in Utah.

Go Spurs Go!!!!!!!

by mikesatx on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hence the presence of Ratliff

who should really be getting more minutes as he’s more than just an 11th. or 12th guy.

Also showed some spark offensively in the Kings game.

Anywho, this was far from the defense that the Spurs showed us they’re capable of being in the Hornets game.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well written, but I can’t recommend it. It’s like recommending a depressing movie to someone who needs to feel good. That is how the game felt too though…

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was telling Wayne, maybe this is all my fault. I wrote the Stat of the Game for both losses. If the luck gods can hear me, BlaseE is writing the Stat of the Game for tonight’s game.

There, the Spurs should win by 30 tonight.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a stat we should explore with the playoffs in mind for next year.

by LionZion on Nov 6, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You’ve also had both road games….

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Check this stat out: the Spurs are 2-7 when I go to their games (all on the road, one playoff game included, and about 3 one-point losses). One of the losses is last night’s game vs. Utah. Of the other 6 losses, 5 of them came during a Spurs championship season (’05 and ’07). Could this loss be a good omen, despite the fact that I seem to be a bad luch charm?

by Gino20 on Nov 6, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve heard that bad luch charms are actually good.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Nov 7, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan needs help down low. He’s no where near the player he was 2 years ago, expecially in the defense end, and by starting Matt Bonner is exposing him. Mcdyees or Theo should get the start. Also we need to activate some of the guys in reserve, Hairston and Ian.or haislip. We need some athleticism in the front court

by spursfan87 on Nov 6, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So the stat is no interior defense and our “big” can’t move fast enough nor have enough veteran “awareness” to cut off dribble penetrations.

Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is a solution. Timmy will be doing a bit more, but thats not required right now and I firmly believe he shouldn’t even try. So that leaves my favourite, Bonner. Well, like I said, Okur did those things yesterday. Bonner, I can’t remember which sandwich he was making. Harsh talk, but I just don’t want the season going that route this early.

McDyess, still is not moving anything like he used to. Maybe he is still not in shape, or maybe we just got him after he lost his legs. I think its the former.

This is still an old team still when it comes down to it. If the other team is able to exploit somebody again and again and over again for easy offensive rebounds and baskets, it just mentally drains you no matter what. That is what is happening to us. Season hasn’t even started, and we look like we are gonna give a defined amount of effort and if it doesn’t work, we will just move on. I thought it was going to be about the D.

Wth Pop!!

by LionZion on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

  I dont think Ratliff is the answer here. No one is calling this a season just yet, but I remember many of the fans sentiments ( myself included ) regarding what the team still needed was a shotblocker/ rebounder.

  Well, Ian will not be panning out and Theo is far past his prime ( he was never a good rebounder) When you add this to the fact that our best big man defender ( Kurt ) was traded away, should anyone be surprised our defense in the paint is atrocious ?

We should perhaps look into a trade with the Clippers that will land us the last couple of productive seasons remaining in the body of Marcus Camby ( that is, before he turns into Carcus Camby )

Marcus isnt hugely popular with some in here, but can it be denied hed be a considerable upgrade to Theo and Ian ??

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Camby would be a great fit as far as defense goes and relieve the pressure on Timmy to do it all……….now put Camby and Da Beast together……what a nice picture that would be – but not going to happen……

"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Artis Gilmore on Nov 6, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about saying never to this one. The spurs have the pieces to pry Marcus from the Clippers. If we keep giving up over 100 ppg on 55% shooting…..

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 6, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus if we get Camby, we will have like 10 guys over 40 years old!

by Gino20 on Nov 9, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

for camby’s salary, I think we’d be losing one of the big 4….I doubt the clips would want RJ so that means Manu…..I’d rather trade Bonner and Ian for DeAndre Jordan and maybe a draft pick or something…

this is all hypothetical, I think our team is still good

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is why the probability is so low for this one to actually happen

"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Artis Gilmore on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just for the record, I would not include any of the big four in a trade for Marcus Camby. It it would take one of them to make this work, I would nullify the deal.

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we should give them our second round pick next year

not the pick spot, but the actual player we pick. Whoever we pick instantly goes to the Clips. They clearly can’t draft to save their lives, and who else has a nose for sleepers but the Spurs?

Of course you also bundle some other guys in there (cough Mahinmi)

But actually I don’t think we can afford Camby.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 6, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine Marcus as the garbage man in there, surrounded By Tim Duncan, RJ, Manu and Tony.

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

garbage men don’t deserve that much money

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Camby is fragile. Fragile garbage men are definitely not worth that much money.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, Camby is not a good one on one defender. He’s better with the help side, depending on his length to erase mistakes.

My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri

by CapHill on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No reason to start worrying

the Spurs notoriously start slow year in and year out, and this year will be especially so with so many new guys still trying to get acclimated to the most complex defense in the NBA and with team chemistry still needing to get built up.

However, after team chemistry develops and the players learn all the ins-and-outs of the defense, I’m positive this team will be in a lot of title conversations.

Plus people like Tim, Dyess, Parker, Gino, hell even Pop know that this early season stuff is as pointless as preseason. For these guys, all that matter is the second half of the season and playoffs. As long as they play hard in crunch time, I’m happy.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

KA, your reasoning is very sound. I guess I just expected us to start off very well, considering even Tony said a great start would be important.

The most disturbing thing is, we had about 4 days of rest and still got our asses fuckin kicked last night

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that's why

I’m not a fan of big breaks, it makes people soft. Then when game time rolls around, they seem out of sorts. A little too rested. Utah was still fresh and rolling.

The break was untimely because we were riding the momentum of that Kings win. A four-day break severely hurt that momentum wave.

A disinterested vet team guaranteed the 2 or at least 3 spot on four days rest, versus a young team that’ll be fighting off Phoenix, Houston, and OKC for a playoff spot where every game counts.

Let’s just say I had Jazz winning by more than what they did.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 6, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess im overeacting because we arent 4 and 0. I need to relax

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 6, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4 days break is an issue. But I dont think 1 game win is a momentum. couple of games yeah, but not a single game win..that too against Kings.

by Heman on Nov 6, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am reading Hakeem Olajuwon’s book and he said basically the same thing about a long layoff making a team lose its edge. So, +1 for you!

by Gino20 on Nov 9, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My concern resides in the ugly realization that this is the first time in a long time that Tim does not have a decent 7 footer on the team. Nazr, Rasho, Kurt, Elson, even Horry and Oberto were 6’10. This is the shortest roster we’ve had in a long time. Hmm, I feel a good stat of the week could come out of this.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dyess is the best big man we've had since Horry

and isn’t he 6’10?

Duncan’s back at PF, he’s paired with two bigs (bonner and Dyess) who can spread the floor, aside from Dyess still possibly learning defense and the entire team working on chemistry and the annual slow season start, everything’s in place to duplicate the Nazr, Rasho, and possibly even Horry type teams.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 6, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McDyess is listed as 6’9. So we can assume 6’7-6’8. I can tell you this, he looked very small last night when Okur was having his way with him.

I hope he is just out of practice, but the way he played last night leads me to believe he has aged greatly over the past 3 years.

Hopefully this was just a bad game and we’ll be laughing about it when the Spurs are playing the Celtics in the finals. But it just seemed that there were some bad symptoms last night of a team that might not be good at defending. And symptoms do not occur by chance, they happen when you have a disease.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what’s Oberto listed as?

Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Nov 6, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

6’10…so 6’9

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What I meant. The difference is still only 1 inch.

Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Nov 8, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do we know that Dyess has anything left in his tank? For what he’s worth so far, we might as well keep Drew Gooden instead.

by Kondor on Nov 6, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it’s time to run the lawnmower over the foot just yet. Let’s get through a few weeks.

Neither he nor Gob were prepared for the challenges of using cats to catch a seal.

by Cedarpark on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome Mad Men ref.

Try the new PtR--now entirely BAT-FREE!

by Lauri on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you. Hope to see some more John Deer carnage in the finale.

Neither he nor Gob were prepared for the challenges of using cats to catch a seal.

by Cedarpark on Nov 6, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is our best tall guy insists on being a PF, our youngest, most athletic tall guy is on the IL (Blair is not a tall guy), and our old veteran shot blocking tall guy is too old and injury prone to earn any burn. We also go to small ball as soon as we lose the lead because Pop wants offense, but our defense is just bleeding points.

I want Bogans and Finley put on IL for a few games and lets see Hairston and Mahinmi. We still have Ian as a RFA this summer and could possibly get him to a better contract than whatever the qualifying offer was right now. It also gives us breathing room to make moves next season if we need the roster space (for Tiago if we want to keep Bonner and Ratliff).

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bogans makes me nervous. The same kind of nervous I used to get when we had Stephen Jackson and he would dribble the ball at full speed. “Oh lord, he’s going to dribble it off his foot, isn’t he?”

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d be more comfortable if he just stood at halfcourt and wasn’t allowed to move on offense, just catch and pass back to reset the dribble.

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A vote of “no confidence” if ever I’ve heard one.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Nov 6, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done Mr. Silva,

There were several times last night when the guards forced their man to the baseline, the “sixth defender”, only to find no help at all. I excpect this is something that will be fixed.

And 1.

Neither he nor Gob were prepared for the challenges of using cats to catch a seal.

by Cedarpark on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What worries me the most is the seeming inability of this team to play through an adversity. I would take “Jekyll & Hyde” inconsistent team at this stage (beating a good team, then losing to a bad one). But this team has a look of a consistent mediocre team, with very low ceiling.
As long as we are playing Sactos of this league, we’ll be all right. But you won’t see any of them in May. Until we convincingly beat one of the title contenders (and we haven’t even played any of them), I’ll be worrying about next spring.

by Kondor on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is why I’m glad the first Lakers game isn’t until next year. If the Spurs don’t have something rounding into shape by then, then I’ll be really concerned.

"...and programmed to save the day!"

by transgojobot on Nov 6, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Article, Fred

Although my thoughts do not agree 100%.
Most everyone on PtR was really hyped after the pre-season we had, Unreal expectations by us all. We had the Big 3 and a new cast of some great players and some role players that could enable us to go all the way again. None of that has changed. We have the same team, we are just ‘enjoying’ the growing pains that come along with meshing the new with the re-newed players. I think in the back of our minds we knew this wasn’t going to be an 82 – 0 season.
We start slow, this group always has. And with the newbies, it should have been expected. The losses disappointed, aggravated, and saddened me. I expected more. But in retrospect, should I? I will continue to root for the boys, and be disappointed when we lose. I still think they will be ready come playoff time.
I think it is time for the PtR players to ’man’up! Back up your boys when they need a helping hand. Have a little faith, in who ‘brung ya’!!
If Pop wants to see if his second team smalls can turn around the game, cut him some slack. I would rather see if now then in March or April. I am a little surprised to see all the less than flattering comments at this point in the season. Although I do find PtR to be great place to be. So…..Go Spurs Go!!

by LakehillsFan on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I love Pop, I just feel like he keeps experimenting the same way. I think all of us just want to see him mix it up more; from the starting lineup to who is on IL to who plays when we are down and need to come back.

I still have faith and think we will win 60+ with this roster. It’s just frustrating to watch your team lose so I try to justify it. Fred’s post and the comments here and in the recap help justify it.

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I would not trade Pop for any other coach. It just kills me when it seems he sacrifices a game so he can experiment with some crazy lineup. I’m still thinking 55 wins or so. Not every team has the weapons to exploit us underneath. I’m more just paranoid about what the Lakers are thinking right now. Their bigs are slightly better than Boozer, Okur and MIllsap.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and look at the minutes their Bigs are having to play right now. Pop is resting the ones that need it. and I guess trying to see where he can count on Matt and Michael to find the hoop.

by LakehillsFan on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m optimistic tonight but Pryzbilla, Oden, and Aldridge are not a frontcourt I like the Spurs to play. Oden actually matters the least to me, but Pryzbilla and Aldridge……

Gotta block out and not let them get easy buckets.

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I expect a hard fought contest tonight. Not won until late in the 4th. Hopefully by the Good Guys. But it is a Back to Back in their house.

by LakehillsFan on Nov 6, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How about this? For my next Stat of the Game, regardless of what occurs, I will go straight Spurs homer for everyone. I’m tired of being pessimistic anyway.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not strictly ‘homer’, but pull that little positive something that was noticed in this game that may not have been in the other games. Just a thought, not being critical in any way. I couldn’t do what you do.

by LakehillsFan on Nov 6, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here are some positive stats
  • Blair had an incredible line. In only 21 minutes, he shot 7 of 10 for 14 points and added 9 rebounds. He also added a block. No foul shots is disappointing but maybe the refs called it right with 70% shooting.
  • Duncan, Parker, RJ, and Manu got to the foul line at great rates to their FGA’s last night. This is a good sign.
  • We had 4 turnovers in the first quarter when we came out with rust but finished with 8 in the last 3 quarters. We only had 2 in the 3rd quarter.
  • Hill and Bonner with a combined 2 of 14 with no FTA’s. That is a terrible stat but it shows that we can score 99 points with 2 guys going MIA on offense. It’s not like Finley, Manu or Dice was lighting it up either. All 3 were under 50% shooting. Manu got 6 FTA’s on his 9 FGA’s though so his 3 of 8 shooting is excusable.
  • Duncan had the most minutes but was only at 30. That is a good number on a back to back. It sucks we lost but Pop wasn’t out there like a slavedriver. 4 bench players had over 20 minutes. Finley and Bonner were only at 17.

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Choices

Even the ‘bad’ stats, #3 and 4, were presented in a positive manner. Showing a gleam of light from under the basket (as it were).

by LakehillsFan on Nov 6, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really thought Hill killed us. He was awful. He missed those two wide open layups, threw the ball directly to the guy playing the passing lane, and committed several horrendous fouls when the Spurs were trying to come back. I’m beginning to think he’s just a head case.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Nov 6, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Starting slow is understandable. Losing games is understandable, but what is not is, lack of effort and energy. You have to be willing to compete, which I thought was lacking yesterday. Like someone above mentioned, this team is mediocre at its best now with a low ceiling for adversity

by Heman on Nov 6, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To the Spurs, adversity only exists in the playoffs.

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that doesnt make sense with a home heavy schedule to begin the season. On top of it, have a lot of down time compared to the 2nd half of the season. You have to win when you can so you can afford to lose later when your schedule doesnt help you.

by Heman on Nov 6, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your statement, but losing in Utah in November isn’t going to bother Pop or any of the players now or in 6 months. If it had been Utah @ San Antonio…..

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry, but I think this kind of attitude would bring nothing but trouble this season. We should stop pretending that we are still the defending champions or #1 title contender. The sober truth is that last season LA, Denver, Dallas and Houston were all playing better than us in the playoffs. If we want to get back on top, we should work our tails off to catch up, and not play some bored prima donnas. Otherwise we’ll see another “one and done” season, just like last year.

by Kondor on Nov 6, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a fan, not on the team.

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gregg poppovich is overthinking

i know he wants to “save his stars” for the postseason, but you have to realize they are the ones who get you INTO the postseason. he is playing his bench players with near equal minutes to the starters. it is true that the spurs bench is one of the best in the league, but that is comparing them to other benches. you cant play the spurs bench vs other teams starters for half the game.

if pop refuses to let parker duncan and manu play 33-35 minutes per consistently, expect losses like this throughout the season. also, pop hasn’t adjusted to richard jefferson. he is treating jefferson like bruce bowen. he makes jefferson sit in the corner and has reduced him to a spot up shooter when he is a slasher and scorer.

you cannot start matt bonner at center and expect to be an elite team. he is a great bench weapon, a shooting big man, but he cant start. he cant bang inside, block shots, or get rebounds. imagine playing against bynum and gasol. whose bonner going to guard? same with perkins and garnett. the elite teams will eat him alive.

antonio mcdyess has done nothing this year but take 20 foot jumpshots. so much for “the best big man duncan has had since robinson”. he is playing like rasho nesterovic minus the defense.

roger mason cant hit a shot this year if his life depended on it, and george hill isnt showing the same offesnive game he showed in the preseason. he cant seem to create shots.
this spurs team should thrive in the fastbreak with parker, ginobili, and jefferson. especially when bonner is on the floor.

dejuan blair is as good as we thought, and if he had starter’s minutes he would put up rookie of the year numbers. however, his defense is being exposed every single possession. and is it just me, or is tony parker becoming a defensive liability?

by raiderrocker18 on Nov 6, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

  • last night, our starters would have been at 33-35 minutes if they had been able to get the game close before the 4 minutes mark of the 4th when he pulled them
  • completely agree on Bonner
  • Roger Mason looked good to me last night….what might help him find his shot is starting with Parker and Duncan like last year. Finley isn’t doing it, and Mason could use the reps. He was one of our most consistent players last year in terms of minutes and health. It’s his second year with the team and he has an expiring contract. If he can’t shoot, then let’s just trade him to another team that wants the cap space
  • Blair will pick up the D….have faith
  • I think Tony has improved, but strong PG’s like Rose and Williams are his weakness….Tony will look really good tonight if they start Blake

by BlaseE on Nov 6, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

spurs bench is one of the best in the league???

may be on paper. It remains to be seen if they can actually translate it in real games. Games when it matters, that is, when the starters really need them to step up. Not when all is going well. coz, it wouldnt make any difference.

Not trying to say we are a bad team. Just saying, we dont have those bragging rights yet.

by Heman on Nov 6, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think every player is saving himself. I don’t know for what. If we forget what “hustle” means, we won’t be able to do it when the time will come to do it. Needless to say that I much prefer the ruthless approach of Boston’s players, even if I don’t like any of them.

by biolb on Nov 6, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let Haislip play.
He can shoot the three even if he didn’t show it during the preseason and he will be a much better defender than Bonner. I am also for giving Mahinmi and Hairston a run.
I think Haislip is underrated because of his preseason play but in Spain he was playing nearly as well as Scola did when he was there.
 Ratliff doesn’t need to play to be as efficient as he can be. If we need him, we can always activate him again. No more Bogans on the bench, that was a mistake to sign him. So be it, but don’t feel compelled to use him.

by biolb on Nov 6, 2009 5:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see Pop use the zone more, instead of the typical man to man defense on every possession. I think it would be help with all the penetration.

by JaySo on Nov 6, 2009 7:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs


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