Hollinger's PER and Hill

Wow! I can't believe my eyes. Look at his PER. He is second only to Paul.
I know it's been only 3 games, but even Tony played 3 games and he is 7th.
Could this be a flash forward? a glimpse of the future? You tell me!

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The presence of House, Barea, and Dragic on that list says that we need to wait until there’s a lot larger sample size. I would love to see if Hill can still crack the top 20 by the end of the season, though.

9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions

I know, but doesn’t his name look nice between Paul and Nash?

I think his defensive rebounding helped him a lot, since he didn’t get many assists to warrant his high PER.

by SaSleepless on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

Actually his offensive rebounding helped.

by SaSleepless on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

He is 20th in usage, 9th in true shooting %, and 8th in points per 48 minutes for PG’s as well.

by BlaseE on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions

That’s not bad at all. Hope he keeps it up against Derron Williams on Thursday.

by SaSleepless on Nov 4, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

Tell me if you heard this? Why not start Hill at the two guard.

by JaySo on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions

and you can sub Hill for Manu in the middle of the first then sub Hill back in for Tony at the end of the quarter. Finley will have spot minutes. Man, I can be the new PJ.

by JaySo on Nov 4, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

PJ as in PJ Carlesimo or Phil Jackson?

The Roleplayer's Realm

by silverandblack_davis on Nov 4, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Superman wears Manu pj’s to bed

There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.

by 'DSilverlining on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions

jesus wears a shirt with manu’s face on it

13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.

by Duhoh on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions

Sort of like this?

9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions

Whoa! Nice chop skills.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions

Errr, I saved it off SpursTalk a while back. Sorry.

9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Nov 5, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions

Oh.

Nice chop skills!

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Nov 5, 2009 2:39 AM CST up reply actions

PJ as in PJ CARL…..Our starting five would be Duncan, Parker, Hill, RJeff and Mcdyess or Bonner. We would have defense in the backcourt, something that we are lacking in the beginning of games.

by JaySo on Nov 5, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

Not a bad idea, but when will RMJ play? and how many minutes will Hill end up playing?

Maybe it’s safer to have him of the bench.

by SaSleepless on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions

But Fin’s PER is higher than that of Jefferson.

Besides, don’t we hate Hollinger and his statistics shmatistics around here?

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions

Hate him or not, the big three were always high on that PER list. It just doesn’t show defense and he admits it.

There is another stat that I’m really interested in. It’s the adjusted plus and minus that 48minutesofhell is promising this season. It shows Manu as our best perimeter defender this decade. Yes, Manu, with +4.7 something. You should check it out.

by SaSleepless on Nov 5, 2009 3:38 AM CST up reply actions

Hmm… over Brucey? I think I can explain. Bruce (prior to last year) was almost always in the game when the oppenent’s best player was in as well. So that skews that.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Nov 5, 2009 4:52 AM CST up reply actions

That’s a good theory. It could be why.

Also in plus and minus you get better or worse by who you play with, and adjusted plus and minus takes that into account. So it could take into account Bruce and Manu plus and minus.

by SaSleepless on Nov 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

Matt Bonner consistently leads the Spurs in +/-. That’s really all I have to say.

9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Nov 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions

W-w-wait! I can explain that too. Maybe Pop knows how much of a liability Matt is (both on defense and offense really, because he can’t exactly create his own shot) that he puts him in with really good players. Maybe he never played with a lineup of the JV, Udoka, Drew Gooden, and, say, Michael Finley.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Nov 5, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions

Excellent explanation.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Nov 5, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions

Like SaSleepless says… the adjusted +/- takes into account which players you play against and which players you play with. From 82games.com:

Adjusted +/- ratings indicate how many additional points are contributed to a team’s scoring margin by a given player in comparison to the league-average player over the span of a typical game (100 offensive and defensive possessions). These ratings are considered "adjusted" since they start with the simple +/- rating and apply a regression model as outlined by Rosenbaum to adjust for the impact of all other players on the court. All players in the top 75% in minutes during the season have been modeled, and the results have been centered so that the league-average player has an adjusted +/- value of zero. These ratings have been determined using only the matchup data available at basketballvalue.com. They do not explicitly include box score statistics, but they do reflect the value created by amassing such statistics as they contribute to a team’s net point differential. In addition, adjusted +/- ratings capture the valuable effect of myriad aspects of the game that go unrecorded in box scores, such as setting picks, boxing out, and defensive play.

Some very interesting numbers can also be seen at basketballvalue.com as the season progresses you will be able to see the combined adjusted +/- of different units the spurs field.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Nov 8, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions

I like Hollinger because he doesn’t give KD shit.

WWTD?

by Lauri on Nov 5, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions

It’s always about you and KD, like the rest of the world doesn’t matter. ;-)

My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri

by CapHill on Nov 5, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions

It’s ridiculous how protective and mother-tiger I get about him when I catch up on Twitter. All the other OKC players are like, “hey, tweeps, tough loss! we’re going to watch a movie and eat some bbq! lol!” and Kevin is all, “sorry about last night’s game—guess i deserve all the hate—i’m going to practice now to get better” and I’m thinking “Noooooooo! Poor kid! Don’t let it get to you! You’re insanely talented, just keep smiling and stay above it all! Here, have an alfajor!”

I just want him to be okay. Is that so wrong?

Try the new PtR--now entirely BAT-FREE!

by Lauri on Nov 5, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions