George Hill: Tony Parker 0.99?
by theonlyromeo on Nov 3, 2009 4:03 AM CST
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PrintSaSleepless likened George Hill's performance to that of Tony Parker during his early years. It had me thinking whether our back-up point guard's first (almost) two years in the league really compares favorably to that of our current starter. Let's use our bat senses and take a look.
Stats, from http://www.basketball-reference.com.
First Year
Rookie Season Highs:TP - 22 points (24 in the Playoffs), 10 assists (9), 10 rebs (5), 5 stls (2), 5 TOs (4)
GH - 23 points (9 in the Playoffs), 8 assists (2), 11 rebs (4), 4 stls (2), 4 TOs (2)
Per 36 minutes, Rookie Season:
TP - 11.2 pts, 5.3 ast, 3.1 rebs, 1.4 stl, 2.4 TO
GH - 12.4 pts, 3.6 ast, 4.5 rebs, 1.3 stl, 2.1 TO
This shows us that Tony Parker and George Hill's rookie seasons were almost identical. Of course, if we used averages, Tony would eat George's lunchbox (yes, lunchbox). But we all know this is skewed, since Parker played 29 and 34 minutes during his first and second years in the league, while Hill was only managed 16 and 20, respectively (Why, Pop? Why?). In the playoffs, we know Pop almost didn't play George, but relented and ended up using the rookie guard 19 minutes per game, in four games. In comparison, a rookie Tony Parker played 34 minutes per game in his first playoffs.
In the regular season, Hill was a slightly better scorer and rebounder. Parker, on the other hand, was a whole lot better in passing. Some George Hill worshippers fans would point out (I love puns) that George was a shooting guard in college instead of the 1 Pop wants him to play.
Hill also appears to be the more consistent rookie, scoring-wise. Parker scored just 2 or 3 points in eight games where he played at least 20 minutes. Hill only, um, accomplished that 3 times. Sure, Tony had more opportunities to suck because he played 20 minutes or more most of the time (72 of 77 games played), while George rarely cracked twenty (14 of 77 GP). Still, if you're given at least twenty minutes most of the time, you should get into a good enough rhythm and should be afforded plenty enough opportunities to score more than 2 or 3 points. You shoot the ball once, that's two (or three) points. You get fouled while driving to the basket, that's at least one more point. Now do both (or either) again, and that's more than 2 or 3 points.
Parker shows to be the more consistent passer as a rookie though. The numbers are the opposite of scoring. In games where he played over 20 minutes, Tony had 0 or 1 assist in only 3 games. George did it eight times. Again, for an NBA guard, it shouldn't be too difficult to tally more than 1 assist. Here's the secret to doing it: Look for an open teammate. Pass him the ball. Pray that he makes the shot. Now, do it again, and that's more than 1 assist in a game.
Forgive me for the chop. And for the left alignment.
Second Year
Sophomore Season Highs:TP - 32 points (29), 13 assists (6), 8 rebs (8), 4 stls (3), 6 TOs (6)
GH - 15 points, 4 assists, 5 rebs, 2 stls, 2 TOs
Per 36 minutes, Sophomore Season:
TP - 16.5 pts, 5.6 ast, 2.8 rebs, 0.9 stl, 2.6 TO
GH - 19.2 pts, 3.0 ast, 5.4 rebs, 2.4 stl, 2.4 TO
Yes, Hill has only been a few (three) games into his second season, but since SaSleepless brought it up, I still looked at their numbers during their second year. As a sophomore, Hill still figures to be a better scorer, but looking at his season high, one can say that Tony was more explosive. Hill is a way better rebounder, but TP was a way better passer. Hill also plays the passing lanes better than his practice nemesis.
In their second seasons, Hill still looks like the more consistent scorer. In the three games he played this season, George scores 9, 8, and 15 points. He played more than twenty minutes in the first and second games. Incidentally, in the second game, he played less than twenty, and the Spurs lost. Hear that, Pop?
Unfortunately, in that one game that Hill played only 17 minutes, he also had 0 assists. Only once did Parker have 0 assists in his sophomore season--and that was in the playoffs, not the regular season, which we are comparing.
Summary
SaSleepless was right. Tony and George are quite similar stat-wise during their first two years in the league, which only means one thing: Pop hates the French. Otherwise, why be tough on Frenchie yet loving to the IUPUI-ie?
Interestingly, comparing their first two years, George Hill seems to have out-Parkered Tony in his forte, scoring. And surprisingly, young Tony was better than his back-up is now when it comes to assists--which many people claim is the Frenchman's weakness.
Yes, we need our point guards to score. But primarily, we need them to handle the rock and dish it out to open teammates. George Hill is a slightly better scorer than first-to-second-year Tony Parker, but he still doesn't do one of his primary responsibilities--passing--as well as his counterpart did. Sure, Parker still turns out to be the better point guard. But heck. Just to be at the point where we're comparing our reserve PG to a player who would turn out to be an All-Star is very encouraging. And Hill's numbers aren't just similar to Tony's when he was new, George actually does compare favorably to Parker. And that is just...wow.
Maybe that Gregg Popovich does know what he's talking about.
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Tony and George are quite similar stat-wise during their first two years in the league, which only means one thing: Pop hates the French. Otherwise, why be tough on Frenchie yet loving to the IUPUI-ie?
Yes, they have quite similar stats during their first two years, but stats don’t show much when learning about the other half of the game, D-Fence. Hill plays it, while Tony, well… he’s just French in that aspect (Batum and Pietrus the exceptions). I’m pretty sure that Parker’s defense throughout those first years are what caused Pop to go on a wine drinking binge and develop gray hairs. Pop was somewhat forced to use Parker due to his offensive exploits despite Parker playing crappy D, Parker won. I’m sure this made Pop hold a grudge against him. On the other hand, that’s why he loves Hill so much, not only is he comparable (not better) than Parker on the offensive end in their young careers, but Hill already plays better defense than Parker will ever be able to, and I won’t even get to Hill’s defensive potential.
Anyways, good post, I GOLed hard at the pic.
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Awesome post. Recced.
One stat you don’t look at though is blocks. George Hill leads the league for PG’s with 2.4 blocks per 48 minutes this year so far. He is tied with 1 block per game with Earl Watson and Russell Westbrook. This season is only 3 games in though….
Well, last year, Hill finished the season #1 for PG’s getting blocks per 48 minutes with .79. Jason Kidd was second at .65 and third place (Kyle Lowry) drops all the way down to .49. Tony Parker? 37th with .08. Hill finished the season with 21 blocks to Parker’s 4, and we know the difference in minutes. Also, refs called some BS fouls on George regularly his first year.
Crazy season prediction: Hill will finish with more blocks than Dejuan Blair, but less steals. Hill is at 4 steals to Blair’s 2 right now. Blair is yet to get a block. Hill is 5th for point guards in steals per 48 minutes right now.
Yeah, I actually didn’t think blocks would be significant for PGs. Apparently I was wrong.
At any rate, who was it that said blocks are a good indication of bad defense? I know they say that for steals too, but if George has the complete package of steals, blocks and rebounds, then that definitely goes a long way towards building his defensive stopper reputation.
Besides, to be honest, I think blocks are just pretty. But altered shots are almost just as effective. Sure, one can say steals are just pretty, and deflections are just as effective. However, steals do imply one important thing: ball possession.
Still, your argument shows Hill is better than Parker defensively. Which is true. But what really caught my attention is how Hill is possibly a better scorer than Parker was in his early years. Considering his new status as coach’s pet, Hill would be scary this year.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
Besides, to be honest, I think blocks are just pretty. But altered shots are almost just as effective. Sure, one can say steals are just pretty, and deflections are just as effective. However, steals do imply one important thing: ball possession.
That’s the thing, when they show spectacular blocks on ESPN most of the time the team that attempted the shot gets the ball back, so as awesome as it looks all that happened was a missed shot attempt.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." Bill Russell.
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Russel rocks?
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by the little o on Nov 5, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Makes me miss Wishbone.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 5, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
that’s what the rocks are called, Russell rocks, kinda like moon rocks.
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by the little o on Nov 5, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, that makes me think of “moon’s rocks” – which is seriously weird sounding.
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The word weird. Weird huh? Oh, well I thought so.
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cool, I’ll try pronouncing it like that at the risk of sounding like a 13 year old girl.
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by the little o on Nov 5, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
George Hill 1.0
Hill’s nothing like Parker. It’s a good thing.
The NBA is 90% about match-ups. Good coaches know how to field a team that can give the opponent fits on offense and/or shut him down on D, but some teams just don’t stack up well against each other. John Salmons is not a more valuable player than Amar’e Stoudemire, but the Spurs can eat the latter’s lunch while the former tends to eat ours. That’s one reason a healthy Spurs team is such a beast; Timmy and Tony are two of the hardest players in the league to shut down, and thanks to being dipped in the river Styx as a child Manu can only be stopped when he gets shot in the heel by a Trojan.
Ankle-shmankle, that’s what happened last year. True story.
Add to our core a storied list of long-bombers, we’re a tough team to match up against; our opponents have to protect both the paint and the perimeter (and enlist the USC archery team). But okay, some teams can do that. Some teams have the athletic bigs and the quick guards to give us trouble.
Enter George Hill.
Hill’s got kind of a weird offensive game. I like it, because it’s kind of like mine (in the same way that Shaq and I both like cheeseburgers). He’s not a dead-eye from range, and he’s not a devastating slasher, and he’s not a face-up power player … but no matter where he is, he’s always got a mismatch. He’s stronger and longer than anybody who might guard him on the wing, and he’s quicker and nimbler than anybody who might be waiting in the paint; he’s too good a passer to collapse on, and he’s too good a finisher to play straight up. He’s not a master at any one part of the game. But he’s always good enough to be dangerous.
Hill is a tough, tough match-up, especially when there’s enough quality around him to keep the defense honest. I don’t think he’ll ever be the destructive offensive force Tony is, but depending on who we’re playing he might well end up posting similar stats. In that sense, sure, he can be the next Tony. In a more general sense, I’m glad he’s the one and only George.
by Rand on Nov 3, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree. Their stats are similar bu they’re different players. I think if anything, the stats say that George can and should improve his passing. I think second units generally have better ball movement (no superstar to hog the ball), and so it could be that Hill makes passes that lead to assists. However, I still would like him to post more assists. And seriously, the NBA should, gasp, follow the example of hockey and start counting passes that lead to assists.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
I mostly agree with you except…
George Hill is a dead eye from range. He is already a better 3 shooter than Parker will ever be. He is also better at drawing contact. Parker obviously is a better finisher and slasher though. I think he has the potential to be as deadly as Parker, it would just be in a different way like you are saying. I think where Hill needs to improve is the driving kick out. Our offense feeds off of it, but Hill prefers to to just drive and take contact himself. It lowers his assists but get him to the line far more often.
Hill is an EXCELLENT 3 shooter and Parker is certainly lacking but after reconstructing his shot and being so deadly on long 2s I fully believe Parker just needs to take a couple summers to improve his 3 shooting and he’ll be great at it. He hasn’t really shot them since he changed his shot so if he did some serious work on it and Pop let him shoot them I think he’d be really good at it.
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Why do you think Hill is better at drawing contact? Parker is always in the lane and guys don’t let him get there with out some punishment. Parker has amazine mid-air ballance and takes it to defenders bodies negating their shot-blocking over and over again.
Just call me The Profit
Last season:
Tony had 5.0 FTA’s per 17.5 FGA’s for a .286 FTA/FGA ratio.
George was 1.9 per 4.8 for a .396 FTA/FGA ratio.
I didn’t mean to imply Tony can’t take or draw contact, but George Hill lives for it. Tony uses his speed and ability to finish around/past opponents where Hill goes at them. If he finishes with an and 1, it is usually because he overpowered the defender where as Tony finishes by being more amazine. A .4 ratio is incredibly good for a guard. I’m sure Tony’s own .286 ranks pretty high for PG. Manu even got beat by Hill only finishing with a .384, and Duncan only finished with a .432 ratio.
Is it better to draw contact than to be able to finish more effectively? It might limit Hill’s effectiveness in the clutch, when drawing contact is more difficult.
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Loved it and Recc’d it. Thanx theonlyromeo.
This is exactly what I wanted to know. He is that good, and it’s not just me being a homer.
I think it’s hard to have more assists when you’re playing with Batmanu. He’s averaging what? 4,5 assists? Even Tony gives the rock to Manu alotta times to create when they play together.
And in the Spurs system pgs never average high in assists. Have we ever had a guard that averages as high as Tony in the Duncan era? no I think it’s the ball movement of the team.
Thanks. It began as a comment on your post, which became too long, so I moved it into a fanpost. I always thought George was good—but not stats good. You opened my eyes.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
GH is killin those 3s in the corner almost Bowen-style. that’s frickin awesome.
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
Yep. If he keeps improving his offensive game(working with Chip?), he’s going to be more valuable than we could have imagined last season.
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George Hill is Monta Ellis 0.7 Aside from Ellis’ off court moped antics they are very similar. Both jump like Luigi from Mario Brothers 2— they leave the ground, hit their peak and then somehow stay there for a few seconds just gliding along. They’re bodies are very similar—combo guard style. And they both stop on a dime and evelvate a lot on their midrange pull up jumpers.
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True, but one plays defense and the other plays for the Warriors.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 3, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I’d even say that George has a better 3 point stroke than Monta. So, if you add defense, and 3 point shot, is G. Hill, still Monta Ellis 0.7? I don’t doubt that Monta’s offensive midrange and driving game is better than Hill’s but, Hill does those other things better. I’d give them equal value for now. And as far as a better fit for the Spurs, I’d take Hill over Ellis, we already have Parker (not implying Ellis and Parker are equal, haha the thought!).
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The guy is a such a hack…They’re giving out press credentials like alfajores.
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You mean with much malignment?
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by theonlyromeo on Nov 3, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he means with a dose of awkward creepiness, like when ATS told Manu that he could be sure the alfajores weren’t poisoned.
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Haha, good point. But I note that you don’t dispute the merits of what I said.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 4, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
My PG's are Better Than Yours...
In alphabetical order by team:
1. Bibby and Teague
2. Rondo and House
3. Felton and Augustin
4. Rose and Hinrich
5. Mo Williams and Gibson
6. Kidd and Barea
7. Billups and Lawson or Carter
8. Stuckey and Bynum
9. Curry and CJ Watson
10. Brooks and Lowry
11. Ford and E. Watson
12 B Davis and Telfair
13. Fisher and Farmar
14. Conley and Iverson
15. Chalmers and Arroyo
16. Jennings and Ridnour
17. Flynn and Sessions
18. Harris and Alston
19. Paul and Collison
20. Duhon and Robinson
21. Westbrook and Livingston
22. Nelson and Williams
23. Williams and Ivey
24. Nash and Dragic
25. Blake and Miller
26. Evans and Udrih
27. Calderon and Jack
28. D. Williams and Price
29. Arenas and Foye
Teams that may have a case are Orlando, Washington, and Chicago. How many minutes does Chris Paul play per game and how bad is Collison?
Collison is so bad he doesn’t play. Bobby Brown is getting the backup PG minutes.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 3, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my FSM! I thought this was a ranking and that Bibby and Teague were the best combo in your opinion. I splashed some water on my face and realized that it was alphabetical. The world is okay again.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
I actually think Hill could be a top-5 PG within the next 3 years
He’s got great range and can nail 3’s. He’s physical and doesn’t shy away from contact as we’ve seen from his multiple tough drives to the basket. But Hill’s best aspect is of course his defense. From shot blocks, to help defense, to contesting shots; Hill does it all very nicely.
The only flaws I see is that he can be inconsistent shooting at times, needs to work on his passing some more, and still needs to work on ball control as he turns it over a lot once ever few games. But give him time to watch Parker and some minutes on the court; and in the next few years, Hill might be one of the biggest names in the NBA at PG.
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I’m interested in knowing who you think will be ahead/behind of Hill if he’s a top 5 pg in the next 3 years. In 3 years, the top 4 pg imo will be Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Parker, and Derrick Rose. They’ll be followed by Rajon Rondo, Russel Westbrook, and maybe Jameer Nelson, and Devin Harris. I’m not even including promising rookies of this year such as Johnny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, or Ricky Rubio. I heard John Wall is going to be good too. It’s hard to gauge where Hill will fall into between those players. Hill’s defense is probably responsible for me not knowing where to place him.
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I'd have him right after Rose
cause i agree with your top 4, but Rondo doesn’t seem as great to me as everyone makes him seem. He’s above average to me, nothing special. Hill to me is already on par with Rondo, if not better than him. Westbrook and Nelson to me are the only guys who might take the top-5 spot, but neither plays the kind of defense Hill does. Plus Hill is learning from a Hall of Famer and is being coached by a Hall of Fame coach. We’ve already seen Hill become staggeringly more offensively proficient in the course of only one offseason. By the years development, well, you can just imagine the possibilities.
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My main criticism of Rondo which I guess could be used to criticize Hill is that they are in perfect scenarios where they are set up to look good. Rondo’s new contract is laughable though.
but for Hill he's set up to look good and be good
Because he has the mentoring of Tony Parker. Rondo does not have this. He has to learn it all on the fly and on the court, while Hill can learn it on the court and off the court.
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I think Rondo even has it better than Hill in that he is starting with 3 all stars and has another coming off the bench.
The only downside to Rondo’s game is that the guy can’t shoot for shit. He shoots a slightly better percentage than Shaq at the line, for crying out loud.
He’s a hell of a rebounder and good passer too. I mean did everyone forget about those triple doubles during the play-offs?
While I do love Hill’s game and potential, it’s far too early to tell how he’ll stack up against some of the already established PGs.
Actually if he watches Parker too often, Hill will only turn the ball over more.
You know who doesn’t turn the ball over as much? During his tenure as a Spur, he averaged only 1.4 TOs per 36 minutes (TP averaged 2.7; Hill, 2.1). Sure the sample size (85 games) isn’t a lot, but he did play the point quite extensively—especially last season. Guess?
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
Are you talking about the JV? No, not him. Although JV did average 1.8 TOs per 36 as a Spur. So he’s also a viable alternative.
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"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
GOL!
Then not Beno! He was a turnover machine, I think.
Maybe the lil General but that’s as far as I can remember.
It’s actually Roger Mason. As a Spur, he averages 13.8 points in over 30 minutes with just 1.4 TOs per 36 minutes.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
wow, money mace, I wouldn’t have guessed. thought it was vaughn too.
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Actually he does play the 2 a lot of the time, so he doesn’t handle the ball too much. But speaking strictly stats, he doesn’t seem to be as turnover prone as Tony or George.
These are one of the times I wish Pop doesn’t read PtR.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
GOL you will doom us all
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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I have to think its one of the reasons he is on our team in the first place unless his numbers weren’t as good in Washington.
I dunno, I doubt Pop looked at Mason in Wizards colors and said to himself, “This guy will make a good back-up point guard.” I think it’s more because of his shooting.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
I don’t think you want TO’s at any position. I just think it is a factor when the Spurs look to pick up guys because we are always near the bottom of the league in TO’s per game.
Good point.
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by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Good post, TLO. I’m also excited about Hill’s start of the season, but I think it’s too soon to give him that .99. Maybe after we see how the season plays out.
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You’re saying that George Hill is equivalent to Tony Parker with a .99 BAL?
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"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
no he means
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Bronchoalveolar Lavage? We can do this all day. Or at least 23 more times.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
this one's more complicated
Breaking ALl the Rules
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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BTW, I guess if he ever was one, Ozzy’s no longer a Spurs fan.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
TLO, this is awesome. Although I initially thought that George was more like Rondo, with the length and all. But Hill’s outside shooting is already miles better than Rajon.
All I can say is we’re really lucky that the Spurs picked up Cubits. As a backup, he’s more than decent and he inspired creations like the Cubits Ninja Bot.
by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2009 6:08 PM CST reply actions
Geez… the comments are thisclose to our sig’s…
by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
"more than decent"
Hill’s one of the best, if not the best, backup PG’s in the league.
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thanks guys, but this is romeo’s post. And i’m not romeo, unless I somehow developed a sleep disorder a la tyler durden and created a different account on ptr, and also managed to convince myself that I lived in the Philippines due to the time I would be awake. Now you have me thinking.
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You guys signed up and started commenting around the same time. I sometimes make the same mistake.
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I can see that. Well, just making sure credit goes where credit is due.
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What the?? Sorry TLO, really, you and TOR are confusing me. Just echoing what Tim said.
by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
David, bella is going with romes, instead of TOR. I like it and have followed suit.
Clears things up a bit.
TLO, interesting that this is the 2nd time you’ve been part of some mistaken identity issues — what with the avatar you’d originally chosen being so close to a couple of others. Man, am I glad that’s over.
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yeah, I’ve seen romes. Not bad. TOR could be Toronto again.
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by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
What about Theo?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
theo can be the little o.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Careful, though. He might reply by calling you Lats.
I got a “jolls” from him earlier. ::shiver::
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
Good Post!
I was thinking of writing another article on Hill. But this is good! nice comparison.
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TOR, why can’t you be more like TLO?
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You mean, be…
A wreck, a mess, a hopeless cause without any direction..
I’m getting there.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
i’ll give you some pointers if you please. =]
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i like that george is our back-up PG and all. but that’s right now and hopefully TP has a lot more hoops left in him. i’d like to see our george start playing the bruce/manu, 2/3, defensive stopper/x factor role over time alongside parker in the line-up.
spurs can find a back-up PG anywhere if they want, but tough-minded guys with great athletic ability and solid heads on their shoulders are a more valuable commodity.
i’m just saying that i hope georgie doesnt get pigeon-holed into the PG spot for his whole career.
Nando could be added, and all three could take turns running the point and playing off the ball. I’m curious to see how long of a contract Manu signs as well. I figure we should have him for another 3 years or so. That could be 4 very competent ball handlers on the team that can all score from the 2 position.
The thing that I’m excited about is Nando’s height, he could possibly guard a SG if he plays with Hill or Parker and he can handle the rock and be an initiator of the offense.
Having ball handlers is always a good thing, I mean look at the Lakers, even Odom handles the rock from time to time.
And don’t forget my favorite Laker, Luke Walton.
But I think that having a true point guard is underrated. We, of all fans, should realize the importance of having a guy (who plays while the stars are resting) who can simply bring the ball up the court without turning it over or having it stolen.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I’m going to speak my mind at this point.
Although I hope he improves and works out, I’m getting a distinctly Mahinmi-ish vibe from Spurnando recently. I would prefer to be wrong about him, but I just don’t feel like he’s gonna ever wear the silver and black.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
But would you rather get a Scola-ish vibe? Tough.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with a player giving off a vibe that reminds me of Scola. That’d be a good thing.
Now, if the FO was giving me a Scola-ish vibe concerning a player, that’s when I’d be nervous.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
Tom[ei]to – Tom[ah]to
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
Yeah, he has to clean up the TO’s for the Spurs to even consider bringing him over.
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