Proposed Lineup
Someone recently suggested that Tony should come off the bench.
IMO, the reason Manu comes off the bench rather than Tony is his style of play. While Tony is unquestionably a better scorer with a higher field goal percentage, Manu is an all-around better player. He is havoc...chaos off the bench. A game changer in more ways than one.
I believe he has been better suited to come off the bench, until now. This team has more weapons than it has had in some time. And Manu is a VERY capable point guard, arguably a better passer than Tony.
I’m proposing a lineup spearheaded by the Swiss army knife. But it won’t be much if he’s surrounded by guys who can’t run or spread the floor. So the other two wings will be athletic (Bonner/Fin/Dice/Mace are excluded) and the PF of the group will be an inexperienced one, but possessed of a great motor and uncanny rebounding skills. It should go without saying that Tim Duncan will be included in this experimental starting lineup.
Thus this lineup will have awesome defensive prowess on the perimeter coupled with excellent 3 point shooting ability. As an added bonus, both guards will have point guard skils. And down low, the lineup will feature two of the best rebounders in the game, one being a future hall of famer.
Tony can come off the Bench and be an offensive force to be reckoned with. There will still be defense coming off the bench (Bogans) along with size (Mcdyess) and three point shooting (Bonner/Mase/fin)
EDIT: You guys have put together a convincing argument as to why Dejuan Blair should not be starting. But I am still really pushing the notion that Manu Ginobili should be given a crack at the starting point slot, with Tony coming off of the bench.
The following is my proposed lineup. (Come-on Pop, you know you’re gonna field something far more ridiculous than this at SOME point in the season)
PG= Manu Ginobili
SG= George Hill
PF= Dejuan Blair
C= Tim Duncan
Your thoughts, please.
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my one problem with this
Jefferson is not by any stretch of the imagination a three-point shooter. Though this lineup definitely spreads out the floor to where he could, in theory, penetrate into the lane.
What lineup does feature is good rebounding, a lot of good mid-range shooting, and good defense for the most part (the one exception being the ever-inconsistent Blair).
Parker off the bench is a good idea as it’s very similar to what Manu does, only with more consistent offense. However, this could hurt Manu’s game.
Manu uses his time on the bench to watch the game, study the opponent, and react to what they’re doing. This what makes him the momentum shifter he is. Without being able to take that time to study, I question how he might fare starting; let alone at point guard where he’d basically need to lead an entire offense.
Overall I do like this lineup plan, its success however would depend on how Manu would play without valuable bench time and if Parker can be that momentum shifter. And also if the court could be spread out enough for RJ to get some drives going.
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RJ might not be a great 3 point shooter, but he shot about 40% last season. This season hes not stroking it too well (30%), but I bet he will improve.
It sounds like you have indeed closely studied Manu if he is the tactician you have described. Wow. Unfortunately I dont get to watch the Spurs play as much as I would like, thus I never noticed this.
Hmm. I think Manu does great when he is at the point ( every time I have seen him ). At that position , he can look for his own quality shot, or dish it off with one of his slick passes. So as not to wear him out though, Pop can have George bring it up on half court offense situations.
Another thing I like about the Manu/Cubits connection is that Cubit can handle the ball in a crunch and set Manu up.
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lol I don't see much of my beloved Spurs either
damn my living in West Virginia.
But I’ve looked over a ton of film on Manu, read interviews, scouting reports, etc. We all treat him as a god yes, but he really is something unique in modern basketball. Far ahead of the curve.
idk, I guess I’ll just have to wait and see if RJ is merely getting used to the scheme or whatever.
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This is my starting lineup
This is because well I miss the old Defensive beast Spurs
Hill Mason
Bogans Manu Finely Mason
Jefferson Finely
Duncan Blair Bonner
Mcdyss Blair bonner ratliff
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My biggest question would be: If we took so much time to help George change positions and hes supposed to be a point guard, why would we start him at shooting guard? And then have Tony come of the bench to play point guard and still have George at off guard?
I agree with kaizer that Manu should come off the bench and I think Tony should start. But I do agree with what I think part of your point is: that we need a strong defender at the 2 spot.
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I am beginning to wonder if there are enough balls to go around for Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson when they are on the floor at the same time….
As for Cubits. Its been established that he has the size to guard some two guards, so why not let him have a crack at the starting 2 slot ?
Yes, much time has been invested in his tutelage as a point guard, but I say give it a go.
If not Cubits at the starting 2 spot, maybe we can have Bogans or Mase fill the slot
My main idea here is to experiment for a game or two with Tony coming off the bench and Manu the starting point guard.
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I think a better idea might be to just swap George into the starting lineup at the 2 spot. Tony and George seem to work well together, and Manu would come in for George halfway through the first, with George coming back in at PG at the start of the 2nd. George’s game isn’t predicated on playing the point, and he doesn’t need the ball to be effective, so I think that the combination of skills that he, Tony and RJ possess would create a matchup nightmare for our opponents. Then, instead of getting a break from chasing George around, they’d half to deal with Manu after the first substitution. It’s sorta like having Bogans start, but with a much better offensive game.
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The problem is the offensive system. RJ needs to be the #1 option on offense, not Tony, not Timmy. Tony needs to learn how to play with RJ if this team is going to make some noise. Timmy should be the 3rd option on offense, he’s not a 20-10 player anymore but he is still effective.
Also the spurs should consider trading Mason or Finley, I dont think the spurs have enough minutes for both of them.
I agree with this. If Tony and RJ can learn to score together efficiently we’re gonna roll.
I’m totally FOR trading either Mason or Finley. I’d rather see Mason go only because he will probably get a better return. They are essentially the same player, I think Mason is better but it’s not by much and like you said there is not enough minutes for both.
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As long as Parker is on the floor with him, I think it’s going to be difficult for RJ to be the leading scorer. This is not a knock on Tony. I don’t think he should be admonished because his greatest strength is scoring. He is simply not a pass first guard, and may never become one.
This is the main reason I am suggesting that Manu be the starting point guard. He is a better passer than Tony, and this would free Richard up to take more shots.
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I like the idea of Blair starting if he gets better at defense. Ive notcied since he has been starting Center he has had a block, maybe as the season goes on he will become a good defense player. All in all though im still with McDyess starting which will probably happen sometime later on into the season. As for manu it is clear he is a better passer than Tony but starting him at PG just wouldnt work. Manu plays better coming off the bench anway. Also Kieth Bogans shold be our starting SG. He stole the inbound pass that could of won the game against the Thunder. He is still learing the system and by season end I predict he will be our starting SG getting min over Findog and Mason.
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If we consider our “full” bench (as in, no starters) to be Tony, Mason (or Bogans), Finley, Bonner, and Dice, I think that would be a very good offensive lineup. Dice can pick for Tony forever, and all Parker has to do is drive or drive and dish. Tony with spot up shooters around him will be very efficient offensively.
But we’ll get beat on defense and rebounding. I know we don’t really sub in five for five, but if George-Manu-RJ-Blair-Tim is our starting five, there should be no point in time when a starter isn’t playing. Our front court just cannot consist of Bonner, Dice and Finley.
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Blair plays much better against second stringers, often dominating. Against first stringers he gets his fingers on the ball but does not corral the rebound. His defensive liabilities are also better hidden against bench bigs who can’t score much, anyway (if you’re 6’11" with good post moves you’re a starter). Finally, on offense Blair is not a complementary player (unlike Oberto, who would sneak in for an open layup every time his defender took his eyes off him to watch Duncan). Blair’s game is clearing out space and setting up for the entry pass. We need that off the bench, not when Timmy is playing.
Thus far the consensus has been that Blair should come off the bench with Mcdyess starting.
But I have not heard a convincing argument as to why Manu should not be given a shot at the starting point guard slot…aside from the fact that it would be a difficult adjustment for Tony.
But every time I have seen Manu at the point, he has played well. I would like to see how well of a job he would do if he had Duncan, Mcdyess, RJ and Cubits surrounding him.
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Honestly, you’re right! I haven’t read any reason besides Tony’s hurt pride. He will see it as George Hill taking his spot, and worry about his status as an elite point guard.
Manu is a better player, was a better player when he was benched, but he swallowed his pride for the good of the team. Tony will wanna be traded lol
But seriously, when will Tony learn that it’s not a two guy team anymore!!!! He drives like crazy like there is no one else.
This team is loaded with players who can handle the rock, even RJ handled in the dallas game just before his second dunk. He got 7 or 8 assists in the raptors game as well.
I think I reached a peaceful solution.
How about starting tony and hill and in the second half make tony wait a lil while manu continue playing as a pg with the starting lineup?
and give tony some of manu’s minutes with the bench players so neither will change their total minutes played.
yes? no? maybe?

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