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After a tough defeat to the Thunder where we had Parker and Duncan back, my mind began to wonder about what might be wrong with our lineup.

 

Now I'm not on the "Bench Parker and Duncan" wagon yet, but you have to wonder how we went from locking down a Mavs team loaded with offensive talent like Marion, Howard, Terry, and Nowitzki; to getting aced by the Fighting Durants.

 

Yes there was a lot of bad calls (9 Durant free throws in only the first few minutes), but there was definitely some problems with the way we played. Yes we had some good defense going early on and we forcing high 30's to low 40's in shooting percentage, but we weren't much better. While the Thunder were throwing all their defensive aces at us, we should have been able to get something going on offense.

 

Ginobili was suffocated to the sound of 0-8 from the field, Dyess had no offense game for most of the game, and Parker was on lockdown in the first half. But the most startling stat of all?

 

4 points for Richard Jefferson. The same RJ who dropped 29 on the Mavs just one game earlier. The same RJ who was supposed to come in here and be "our fourth star". Only in two games has he impressed me, and those were the two that Duncan and parker were out. Is it just a manner of there being too many stars on the court? That can't be it if Wallace is getting good numbers in Boston where there's arguably four stars already on the court (I don't count Rondo as a star but many do)

 

Perhaps.............it's his position. Yes he was brought in to be that great offensive SF we'd been lacking for so long. But let's face it, he's not getting much offense from the SF spot. But from the Power Forward slot, he drops 29. So is there perhaps a way we could get some sort of lineup where Jefferson can play PF but the team wouldn't be missing anything from the SF spot and still be good on D?

 

Indeed I do believe there is.

 

C: While this move will spark some controversy on here, the center spot would belong to Duncan. His home is PF I know that, but he's played a lot of center in the past (mainly last year) and he can still keep his low post spot while Jefferson spreads the court with his athleticism and mid-range shooting touch.

 

PF: Jefferson obviously. I think his problem with SF is that in the scheme he's forced to stick to the perimeter, which completely misuses his best quality. His elite speed. Speed that catches the opponent off-guard and allows him to get the great penetration we saw versus the Mavs. Dare I say, it is Ginobili-esque. However, going from the three-point line all the way to the rim gives the defense more time to react and cut him off forcing a difficult shot or forcing him to pass.

From the Power Forward spot, he's closer to the rim, can penetrate faster, take the D off guard, and get better mid-range shot opportunities.

 

SF: Yet another move of controversy, but why not put Bonner at SF? He already struggles with close-range shots and layups (though we are seeing some definite improvement). His home is the 3-point line, aka the perimeter from which he would be based. And with his size versus opposing SF's, he might be able to muscle his way close to the rim for the occasional non-3.

 

SG: Though Manu will obviously get the most time here, I'd like to see Bogans and Hill get a nice split at this spot when Gino isn't on the floor. Both are defensive experts, with Bogans being the better of the two in my book, and Hill can bring offense to the spot for when Ginobili takes a breather. It's really just based on the situation as to when either plays. Trying to protect a lead or limit the opponent from extending a lead, play Bogans. Trying to keep offensive momentum with Ginobili going to sit, play Hill.

 

PG: Obviously this is Parker's spot and Hill will be the primary backup and Mason should never ever set foot on the court.

 

Now then, for all you defensive fans who say that Bonner playing the athletic SF's of the league and Jefferson at a size disadvantage, fret not. Have Bonner play the big men and Jefferson keep defending small forwards. Just make sure that Jefferson and Bonner are in their correct spots on offense.

 

As for when Jefferson would go the bench for a rest, have Duncan return to the PF slot, Finley go in at SF, and Bonner or whoever else play C. If Bonner needs to sit before Jefferson swaps out, Finley would then be charged with SF. The one major flaw to the plan I suppose, but Finley still has some good D and his shot isn't all that bad.

 

 

Your all's thoughts?

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Who would you rather have on the court?
Finley
9 votes
Mason
8 votes
Bring back JV, he's better rotation than both of them
1 votes

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Its frustrating to see the team struggle to implement RJ and McDyess ( and to a lesser degree the other guys who wont be playing as much ) when the celtics can play great right out of the gate in the same season they were basically reconstructed.

I guess we have time to figure it out. And im sure pop will try what you have suggested at least once.

….someone had suggested bringing Tony off the bench. You know, Manu CAN play point guard. I think it would be interesting to see this lineup. ( VERY interesting )

PG= Manu

SG=Cubits

SF=RJ

PF=Blair

C= Duncan

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the difference is that the celtics have a roster that makes more sense. They had the PERFECT compliment for KG (perkins) and for ray allen (Rondo). We have a glut of perimeter players, and outside of Duncan our bigs are flawed in one way or another. Popvich is using the beggining of the season to experment, to see what lineups work better.
Our best bet would be to be a team withouth identity, to play like an ameba. Our only locks would be the big 4 playing 25+ minutes, switching role players depending on match ups. I would love to see manu play a lot with RJ, while Parker gets most of his time playing with Duncan.

"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"

by Chilai on Nov 15, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chilai, I agree with your assessment. The Celtics are more of a traditional basketball team in their construction. I guess I’m rushing to judgment here.

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Nov 15, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've noticed that also

but really the Spurs did go out to fix our glutton of perimeter players by getting a great slasher in RJ. Which gave us 4 guys who primarily try to slash into the lane in RJ, Manu, Hill, and Parker which would work well to complement our perimeter guys like Mason, Finley, and Bonner. All of this was in a grand scheme to get the court spread out and get a lot of passes to a single covered Duncan in the post.

Somewhere along the way Pop changed that plan. Now we see RJ forced to patrol the perimeter, Hill driving a lot less and being asked to take mid to long range jumpers. Leaving only Manu and Parker as true slashers. But because our perimeter shooters aren’t meant to be perimeter shooters, the lane is too clogged for either and thus they are now forced to take bad shots.

It’s nice to see Bonner have the stones to realize how stupid that is and try to drive for a layup.

In all reality, this team could have come out and probably been a one loss or even undefeated team to this point. We definitely have the talent for it, but it’s REALLY badly misused on a truly mind-boggling scale.

Richard Jefferson is indeed what this team needs to beat the Lakers, but he’s so misused that we might as sign and start Udoka. You know, a guy who actually is supposed to camp on the perimeter. Either move Jefferson to PF where he can penetrate, or change the scheme so that he isn’t forced to camp out on the perimeter. Otherwise he’ll only average, at most, 8 points this year.

If we don’t fix this so that Jefferson can do that which makes him elite, then this team won’t be able to compete with LA, Orlando, Boston, Cleveland, or even teams like Portland, Denver, or sad as it is to say THE SUNS.

I really do think this team is in trouble right now.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the idea. I just love it. I hope Popovich reads PTR, because a lineup like that would kick ass..

"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"

by Chilai on Nov 15, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thank you for the praise

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m confused — your lineup is on the floor quite often. In name only it looks like this:

SF – RJ
PF – Timmy
C – Bonner

but in reality it’s:

SF – Bonner (camped out at the 3 point line)
PF – RJ (sometimes posting, sometimes slashing)
C – Timmy (low or high post almost all the time)

So your preferred lineup is in common use. So far it has not worked too well, partly because RJ keeps running in to Timmy and Matt.

by doggydogworld on Nov 15, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I was about to say. Bonner can be the “three,” but the opponent’s big will still guard him. Even if RJ doesn’t stay in the wings, his man will still be the opponent’s SF (or SG).

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Nov 16, 2009 4:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And on defense the Spurs will be toast. Just imagine Bonner guarding a decent SF and on top of that there would be no help sealing the paint with Jefferson. With this lineup you still have Duncan having to collect 20 rebounds per game to keep us competitive.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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