Spurs @ Bulls: Stat of the Game, 5
by Fred Silva on Oct 30, 2009 1:55 PM CDT
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5, as in 5 stats that point to why the Spurs lost last night. Know this going in, I'm writing from the perspective of a Spurs' homer. (I know, it's a real stretch.)
In descending order, from least to most impactful.
5.) 57
As in the officials made 57 horrific calls last night. Now, this number may not be exact, but I feel I am in the ballpark. It is nearly impossible to stage a comeback when the officials are clearly wanting the game to end as quickly as possible so they can go to their locker room and eat pizza and drink free beer, (at least, that is what Donaghy would have us believe.) One non-call that stands out in my mind occurred deep in the fourth when the Spurs were attempting to come back. Miller caught the ball at the freethrow line, gave a pump-fake, and walked to the rim. He clearly not only changed his pivot foot, but took an extra step before his first dribble. The whistle was not blown and he scored to extend the lead back to 11.
4.) 8, 3, & 3
Tony Parker's points, assists and turnovers. in 35 minutes of action. I mean, ouch. When our point guard plays this poorly, there is little that the team can do to overcome it. The point guard is the quarterback of the team. His play was equivalent to a Jake Delhomme performance. I mean, if we translated his line into football terms, I'm thinking 2 interceptions, 1 fumble and 0 TDs with a 35% completion rate. Looking at it, that may be more of a Jamarcus Russell line, but either way, you get the idea.
3.) 28 & 16
If Tim is forced to score 28 points and snag 16 rebounds, odds are his teammates forgot to show up. Tim should average around 15 and 8 this season. Not because he has declined significantly, but because the Spurs possess five former, or current, allstars and Jefferson, who was snubbed several times over his career. (Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, McDyess, and Finley.) Duncan should not have to carry a team this talented on his back, and when it happens, we probably will not fair well.
2.) 15 to 8
The Spurs were out-rebounded on the offensive glass 15 to 8. Giving a team like Chicago that many extra possessions is deadly. The Bulls are a young team that feed off of things like offensive rebounds and turnovers. They like to get out and run because they are extremely untamed and their half-court offense is greatly based off of difficult mid-range jumpers, in other words it sucks.
1.) 15
This is another rough estimate, but 15 as in the 15 awful lineups that Pop threw onto the court. I mean, awful like Noahs' disgusting face awful, (see above.) This is my personal opinion, but was it just me or did everyone else notice that Pop's lineups were staggeringly awful. I mean, if we are up by 20 against the Hornets at home, then feel free to throw in your ridiculous lineups, Pop. But if we are down 15 with 8 to go in the fourth, how about you play our best 5 players and quit messing around? All I wanted to see in the fourth was Parker, Ginobili, RJ, McDyess, and Duncan. I realize it's the second game of a back to back, but no one played extended minutes against the Hornets because they sucked. So why not try to win the game? Why not? Throw our best guys out there and if they do not make a push, then throw in the towel. But at least give us a chance. Pop's job is to put the team in the best position to win. I feel he failed in that regard last night. I realize he does not care about the regular season, but come on, man. Alright, I am done ranting, for now.
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Just how ugly would you say Joakim Noah is, Fred?
WWTD?
by Lauri on Oct 30, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
(great post, rec’ed, yadda yadda)
WWTD?
by Lauri on Oct 30, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would have to go with 0 on a scale from 0 to 10 where there can only be one 0. As in, he is the ugliest and everyone works their way up the scale from there. Like with my player rating scale when I ranked our roster, from Mahinmi to Duncan. He is the Mahinmi of ugliness.
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by Fred Silva on Oct 30, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha. Or, more PtR like, +1
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
by Fred Silva on Oct 30, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to agree. Given that there has to be a starting point Noah is the obvious begining. Just to bring to scale the absolute zero of our scale, Chris Kaman is a 0.8.
Timmy misses a second tower.
by 32MemorialMiracle on Oct 30, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scola? SJax?
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by Tim C. on Oct 30, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, Scola’s not ugly!
(Honestly, I don’t think Noah is, either, but I am well aware that I’m in the extreme minority.)
WWTD?
by Lauri on Oct 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am frankly appalled at the obvious objectification of Noah’s face. He is an accomplished athlete playing at the very highest level of basketball but all that is talked about is his looks, as if that mattered at all in his performance. If all we can see when we look at a professional, whether in sports or any other field, is his looks alone, well then frankly, we have not advanced as a society since the 1950’s.
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by Hipuks on Oct 31, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re serious here, then this is a really good post.
by 4Him on Oct 31, 2009 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's NOT serious...
Which makes it a frickin’ AWESOME post.
+13 1/2
by vespaguy on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, vespaguy. I love me some classic Hipuks.
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by LatinD on Oct 31, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case it’s extremely shallow, as are the other comments about Noah’s looks.
by 4Him on Oct 31, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joakim, I appreciate the fact that you’re worried enough about your public perception that you lurk on fanboards to defend aspersions against your physiognomy, but would it not be more productive using that time to do more concrete things, such as developing a 15’ jumper, or perhaps extensive cosmetic surgery? And hair products? Please?
by vespaguy on Oct 31, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he’s doing both.
However, I’m with you 4H. I thought we decided against this type of dialogue after the controversial Uggo thread.
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by bellasa on Nov 4, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lim 1/x
x → 0
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by LatinD on Oct 30, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why put Jefferson out there when you have Finley?
I kid.
by beachwood on Oct 30, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you pull Parker at the end of the game. Let Manu run the point with Hill or add an extra 3 point shooter like Bonner or Finley or just tell the starters (and Manu) they are letting you down and put in the entire bench and see if they can come back like the Cleveland game last year. I’d love to have seen Hairston, Hill, Haislip, Mahinmi, and Blair just playing with high energy. Sure we might not get stops, but at least they get valuable minutes.
by BlaseE on Oct 30, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to have seen Hairston, Hill, Haislip, Mahinmi, and Blair just playing with high energy.
This was really the most telling issue. I don’t care if you’re playing Fakers or Grizz, if you play without heart then you get beat. This is so un-Spurlike. If the benchwarmers have more then by golly use them Pop. At the beginning, you said you should get fired if we didn’t win. Well, I’m taking notes, you know. This is reason no. 1
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Oct 30, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know how when we play a really good offensive player like Kobe, Chris Paul, Melo, Wade, etc. and they score 30 on us but we win, we say, “we give that player his shots but take everyone else out of their rhythm.” Was that done to us last night with Duncan. Duncan was owning Noah like he had to, but is there any chance that was actually hurting our shooters? This is just a random thought. I’m not saying this is what I think happened.
I know its just one game, but my East Seeding Projection is now:
1. Orlando
2. Boston
3. Washington
4. Chicago
5. Cleveland
6. Atlanta
7. Toronto
8. Detroit
I think Washington and Chicago are close. Atlanta could be better than Cleveland still. I’m thinking Detroit is more well rounded than Miami even though both teams are shallow. Charlie V, Hamilton, Prince, and Gordon are a nice 4 that should lose in the first round of the playoffs.
by BlaseE on Oct 30, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we were forced to go to Duncan because everyone was missing. I do not think it was their strategy, mostly because I do not think Vinny is capable of coming up with a game plan. I mean, his instructions were, “Sprint! Sprint! Spring! RUN THE BALL!” during that timeout where they had him mic’ed. I really think it must have happened by chance.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
by Fred Silva on Oct 30, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your fake Vinnie quotes yesterday were terrific. Any chance that one of the asst coaches or, even more of a stretch, one of the players thought about going the “Tim but no one else” route?
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 30, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Cleveland so low? All the geniuses at ESP….. uh….N. Say that they got like… better.
Timmy misses a second tower.
by 32MemorialMiracle on Oct 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not since Chicago can’t win on the road….I don’t think they will make it to the Eastern conference finals though no matter what seeding they get and Lebron playing all 48 minutes of every game
by BlaseE on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the line ups – that is a Pop’s thing to try and find the best rotation but it does leave me wondering what the heck is going on sometimes. Like the deal with MACE running the point for the 2nd squad? Isn’t that Hill’s job?
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by Artis Gilmore on Oct 30, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls strategy was “no doubles on TD”. They were content to give Tim his points and try to keep everyone else shut down. Looked like it worked for the most part.
This was the first game – obviously – where some of the newbies not knowing the offense really showed up. Dice, in particular, looked LOST out there, like he had no idea where to be out there. In a game where the other team is really trying to stay home defensively, this made a huge difference in how the offense looked. It also affected, I think, being out of position for defensive rebounds, to a degree.
That said, it’s one game early in the season. With a bunch of new guys and on a night when only 1 or your three anchors are playing well, it’s going to happen.
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by spurchief on Oct 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i know its gonna happen like you said but the others could have at least tried. It looked like they were not even there mentally (especially physically)….like someone said in another post I hope this does not turn into a pattern this year. I know its only game 2 but man I know we can do wayyyyyyyy better than that bullshit we put on display last night.
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by Cello the great on Oct 30, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
Talking about Dice, i counted at least four instances in 2nd and third quarters yesterday when Dice got good positioning to the basket, but Mace was too busy looking at his dribble to even see Dice waving. Seriously, more than 3 or four times. Dice was trying to create some of his own offense. He never got the ball coz Mace can’t see when he is dribbling.
by LionZion on Oct 30, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mace should not be allowed to dribble, AT ALL.
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by CapHill on Oct 30, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope – at all. I don’t understand the experiment, but it should be over. Now.
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Artis Gilmore on Oct 30, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair
What I want to know is why Pop didn’t play Blair more in the game against Chicago? He was 3 for 3 in what little time he was in the game. He had a double double in the first game. So why not play him more, especially when everyone else (except Duncan) is stinking up the place? We sure could have used those rebounds.
by Candyrapper on Oct 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even more so when we were getting owned on the glass.
I think it’s obvious that Blair isn’t yet on Pop’s chart when he’s thinking, “We’ve got a problem out there on the court. Who should I put in to help those guys?”
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 30, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also when Gibson was catching Blair flatfooted on the offensive glass multiple times.
Blair just looked tired mentally. I think all the Spurs did.
by thedooj on Oct 30, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember this is the same Pop that practically threw a game away last year against the Nuggets. I don’t think any of us can understand how little respect he has for the regular season, maybe he just wants to experiment until he finds the right lineup or several of them. Maybe he wanted the team not to want to rely on scoring only to win the games. I don’t know, I guess we’ll see in the next games.
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by Hipuks on Oct 30, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There was that game where he let the players coach themselves too.
by BlaseE on Oct 30, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s done that in the past and after they failed miserably, he’s said, “You want to try my way now?” And then they’ve rattled off a dozen straight wins, or something.
So, there’s a chance that he knows what he’s doing.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 30, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that amazing though, that we had one of our worst shooting nights, and still only lost by 7. I know that there are no moral victories in sports. But it does my heart good to see only 92 points when they had at least 20 on second points. If we had rebounded better, which we should’ve, we would’ve won this game by double digits while shooting crappy from the 3pt line.
by thedooj on Oct 30, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs did shoot poorly (except TD), but the Bulls actually shot a little worse both overall and from 3pt.
by doggydogworld on Oct 30, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did y’all know that Oberto is starting for the Wizards? Watching Wizards vs Hawks on broadband.
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by Fred Silva on Oct 30, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I watched him play the other day. He made some sweet passes, as usual. Same old Oberto from the 2007/08 season.
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by LatinD on Oct 30, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of games tonight. Should someone start a loser thread?
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by Tim C. on Oct 30, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to post much…
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by LatinD on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget Pop and his rotations. He got desperate towards the end yesterday trying to stop the ofensive rebound barrage they were getting at our expense.
We had very good defensive sequences in the first 8 mins of the game. But after almost every possession we failed to get the rebound. Guess who were the bigs on the floor?!! Seriously, I know I had said this many times, but what the hell Pop. How are you going to win with Bonner on the floor other than when we are leading and need to maintain the lead with shooters spread around. Bonner is like a frigging sieve for losing rebounds and giving up points.
Seriously I would prefer Oberto right now even with no points.
You didn’t mention all the 3s we clanked yesterday. Back to the 3pt nightmare. Even with all the talent, we gotta do the 3 clanking.
I know Pop is letting Dejuan learn, but seriously, should start teaching him some basics of pick and roll coverage and not leave his guards out to hang.
A bit frustrated with the effort and play yesterday. Seriously Tim should have sat out. Tony looked slow. I hope he didn’t injure himself the other day. We still have a big rebounding problem. /end rant. Dammit.
by LionZion on Oct 30, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Initially I was going to write about the top 10 stats, and threes were definitely on my list, but I wrote this during my lunch break and ran out of time.
What’s also been overlooked is that this was Chicago’s home opener. It was pretty evident that they played with 10 times the energy we did. It seemed like they just wanted to win more than us.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
by Fred Silva on Oct 30, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Energy is true. But after the their 5th offensive rebound, energy or no energy, it just becomes a matter of pride. And Timmy can’t jump. In fact, I don’t even want him to try this early in the season.
But the other guys were just plain useless. Bah.
by LionZion on Oct 30, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that. I think our energy had a lot to do with the annihilation of the Hornets as well.
9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco
by Tim C. on Oct 30, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Rant and seconded
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Artis Gilmore on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tony was still hurting from the fall last night..with that being said with Tony not being effective, George Hill should have played more.
by JaySo on Oct 30, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I THINK WE NEED TO ACTIVATE HAIRSTON, BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY SPOT UP SHOOTERS WHO CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE ON OFFENSE.
Antonio
Bonner
Finley
Mason
Bogans
Hairston can be a energy guy off the bench, who can defend, rebound, shoot and attack the basket. Just put Bogans in IR and ACTIVATE HAIRSTON.
by spursfan87 on Oct 30, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I looked real hard at this. Twice. And didn’t see any mention of Fangio. Can somebody please tell me what is going on?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston recently took a trip to Argentina?
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by Tim C. on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spursfan87 is from a separate timeline. One in which Fangio never existed.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 31, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I broke the site….
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by LatinD on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I fixed it. I’m so leet.
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by LatinD on Oct 30, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to hear the story behind this.
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5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 31, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I copy/pasted something from Word on the Blog Roll widget, and suddenly the front page’s links were blue and violet.
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by LatinD on Oct 31, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word hates SBN, and vice versa.
Makes you wonder what the bad blood is over.
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5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 31, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
atching the game yesterday i felt angry,it was stupid,letting bonner play that much huh?on my opinion why not limit only bonner to 10-12mins of play,i mean we did not waste so much money on dice just top let him sit right,that’s stupid.why not let td be our starting c and dice the pf or the other way around.and let matt play on garbage time or 2 or 3mins remaining in the 1st to the 3rd q,and let the other 2 bigs play it all well.man last night’s lost was terrible.as in
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CHICAGO IS MY SECOND FAVE TEAM,BUT I ALWAYS ROOT FOR S.A. WE CAN’T SAY WE HAVE THE DEEPEST BENCH AND CAN WIN RINGS IF POP IS STILL EXPERIMENTING.OH PLEASE,WAKE UP.WE’RE UNDERRATED AND WERE MUTES AND HUMBLE PEOPLE,BUT THEN GOOD GUYS ALWAYS GET THE PRICE,SO PLEASE START TO WORK FOR YOUR BACONS NOW!
by tp_09 on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
France and Argentina are so alike.
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by LatinD on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No mention of Thierry Henry anywhere, though.
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by Tim C. on Oct 31, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this as much as Lauri loves the Hyperizer rap.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 31, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked real hard at this. Twice. And didn’t see any mention of Fangio. Can somebody please tell me what is going on?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Oct 31, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tp_09, thanks for posting. Are you an Asvel fan too?
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 31, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think tp_09 is from where I’m at. Scary.
by silverandblack_davis on Nov 2, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes i know it’s only the second game, but dammit! so why did we get haislip, mahinmi, and hairston? my blood was boiling-ish when i found out bonner and finley were starting..again i thought we got haislip hairston and mahinmi for just this situation.they provide energy and athleticism. i suck at analogies but i think of it as us having gotten top fuel dragsters during the offseason for Pop, and he turns around and jumps in the pos ford festiva from last season(no offense to festiva owners). someone talk me down please haha rant complete
by metroplex on Oct 31, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This just in from the Irony Department...
Co-sponsored by the Bureau of Check Yourself/It’s a Long, Long Season Division:
So, we walked into a buzz-saw with a young team fired up to play it’s season opener when we had no legs playing SEGABABA. Does this mean we suck? Well, seeing as how the Bulls, after opening their season with an emphatic home victory over a playoff team (sound familiar?) hopped on a plane, flew cross-country for SEGABABA and got their asses handed to them by 30, our performance suddenly doesn’t sound quite so bad now, does it?
by vespaguy on Oct 31, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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