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Chasing the San Antonian Dream - Part 2

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Well, guys, I finally got my visa, so I decided it was high time to get some planning done. I want to set up a series of get-togethers during those weeks I'm traveling through the Big Scary Neighbor of the North (or at the very least one such meeting) so I can get to know some of the people that make Pounding the Rock the cesspool of depravity and hedonism it's become.

Just in case you haven't read about it, I've decided to travel through the US (from Argentina, where the women are prettier and FANGIO EATS YOU ALIVE) to watch my dear Spurs live for the first time in my life. I have as much fun as any of you sharing the game threads with the PTRers, but I'd love to be able to see the game and our Big Three with my own eyes at least once. And since there haven't been any dams in Texas hat have required my attention, I decided to save some money and put my vacations to good use.

In a previous post the kind folks of PTR gave me a lot of suggestions as to what to do, when to do it and how to do it, trying to save money (a salary paid in Argentinian pesos makes for a tight budget), visit interesting places and generally enjoy myself. I've studied the information and I'm finally ready to regurgitate my decisions. I'm still open to suggestions, though, so you're more than welcome to help me plan a successful, dream trip.

Let's jump.

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About that visa

It wasn't the first time I visited the US Embassy in Buenos Aires - when I was in high school I'd gone to get some information on -I think- the Atlanta Olympics. Back then it had been an experience that made an impression: two burly marines with a tenuous grasp of Castillian had gone through my things and let me through into the embassy proper. I was 13 at the time, and the security seemed something out of a wild mix of Mad Max, GI Joe and Blade Runner. But apparently the economic crisis is far-reaching.

Instead of imposing marines, local duded decked in private security uniforms greeted me. And when the taxi that took me to the embassy failed to acknowledge their frantic whistles and parked in front of the embassy until he finished meticulously counting my change, and that prompted no other response than more whistling... well, color me disappointed. Thought I have to admit I was kind of impressed when they told me I had headphones hidden deep in my backpack, thus thwarting my insidious plan of listening to illegal MP3s in USAian soil.

I had about a zillion papers and documents ready for my interviewer. They had told getting your first visa was difficult, especially if you didn't have any properties on your name. Considering I still live with my parents, that was a bit difficult. So I armed myself as best as I could, even bothering Wayne, Bell and SiMA for their personal information so they could vouch I wasn't trying to move to BurgerLand permanently. They took my fingerprints electronically and then I waited for about 45 minutes, playing it cool and watching how a couple of guys were bounced for this or that reason. Most made it through, however, which put me at east, and finally a heavyset blond guy was ready to meet me. His Castillian was nearly as bad as my English, but he greeted me professionally and after asking me for my name he started with the hardcore questions: "What do you do?" "Civil Engineer". "Where do you work?" "A company called [edited because Google is scary]". "Do you have any salary receipts?" "Yeah, here." Shuffling of papers, one moment, two, and then: "Okay, your visa's approved."

...That's it? I felt somewhat insulted, truth be told. Am I that safe? Maybe I should've checked on the "yes" column when they asked me whether I had ever been charged with terrorism. I can only imagine that looking like the Boss has its benefits.

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My Goals

Just so you know what the guidelines are, in order of importance:

  • Take in as much of the Spurs and the game of NBA basketball as possible.
  • Watch Manu play, and hopefully take a photo with him. I'll be writing a post soon at his forum, asking him how I could approach him during the trip, so wish me luck. Hopefully he won't destroy me again - but just in case I don't plan to link you.
  • Watch Tim and Tony play, get photos, signatures, matching Merlin tattoos and rap albums.
  • Ask Pop if he realizes he scares the piss out of sports journalists.
  • Get to know as many PTRers as possible, take embarrassing photos and blackmail them.
  • Sightsee, experience the natural wonders and cultural landmarks of the cities and states I visit.
  • Buy books I can't find here.

I can't think of anything else right now, but I'll be adding to this list in the future.

The Plan

It hasn't changed much, except for me cutting down a couple of games to keep a realistic schedule. Let's see:

  • Mon, Jan 25 vs Chicago
  • Wed, Jan 27 vs Atlanta
  • Fri, Jan 29 vs Memphis
  • Sun, Jan 31 vs Denver
  • Wed, Feb 3 at Sacramento
  • Thu, Feb 4 at Portland
  • Sat, Feb 6 at Los Angeles Clippers
  • Mon, Feb 8 at Los Angeles Lakers
  • Thu, Feb 11 at Denver
  • Sun, Feb 14 - All Star Game in Dallas, Texas

So I will still attend to the last four home games before the rodeo trip, and then skip Sacramento to enjoy the far superior (by popular consensus) Portland. Back to back games in cities more than 200 kilometers apart is an unrealistic goal for the common tourist, and I don't think the Spurs will let me hop onto their plane. And that's besides the fact that people kept telling me how butt ugly Sacramento was. The Clippers game was also scratched for two reasons: first I prefer to save my money for the real Los Angeles team, and second I want to use those 4 days between the Portland game and the Lakers game to visit San Francisco.

I'd love to finish my trip at the ASG - I think it would be an incredible way to cap it, even though technically I don't have the time for it. You see, I only have three weeks of vacation, so I should be back on Monday. Consider it's a 11-hour flight from Dallas to Buenos Aires, that's not very likely. ...Unless I lie. I plan to blame the airline for the unexpected delay, and buy tickets for a plane leaving during the early morning. Hopefully I can make it here by mid-evening, phone my boss and explain what happened, and then show up there on Tuesday, with gifts. Smooth does it.

But don't tell my boss.

Of course, that depends on me finding tickets for ASG. janieannie told me that the new Cowboys stadium where the ASG will be held holds 80,000 people (for comparison's sake, the AT&T Center holds a little over 18,000), so there are no more "good" seats available (and they started at $350, so it would've been difficult to justify them with my conscience). An option is to buy a pass for the other ASW activities, like the dunk contest and the skills challenge, and skip the game itself. What do you think?

The Itinerary

Let's take a look at the updated merry-go-round. In red the legs I'll be flying by plane, in violet my car-toting venture into the cold mountains:

Trip

  • I start with a whole week at San Antonio and, I imagine, Austin. Why Austin? Because that's where our Overload WVATS lives, and he's kind of stuck with me. Let this be a lesson for those of you kids who dream of owning a blog someday. Four home games against mediocre-to-good teams should make for a serviceable amount of memories of the AT&T I will cherish for years to come. I might even catch a glimpse of the Silver Dancers, if Wayne lets me.

    (Cost of round trip ticket from Buenos Aires to Dallas = $1550, with one stop via AA. Add $60 to get to San Antonio.)
  • Then it's time to travel all the way to Portland, crossing about half of your ginormous country. Should be fun. The only option here is traveling by plane, hopefully steering clear of Sacramento.

    (Cost of ticket from SA to Portland ranges from $165 via Frontier to $100 via Southwest, but hopefully I'll find cheaper tickets closer to the date.)
  • The Portland game will come and go, and then it'll be time for my side trip to The Rock. olf, our resident Artestmeister, suggested amtrack for this leg of the trip. I checked, and it costs exactly $82, and unfortunately there are no overnight trains. I'd be using nearly a whole day to get there - and honestly, 19 hours on board of a train isn't my idea of a good time, no matter how picturesque the countryside can get. The alternative is once again catching a plane: Southwest says it's $130 if I buy a "wanna get away" ticket (5 hours, 1 stop), and that sounds like something I want to do. Meanwhile, the better airlines tell me it's $280, nonstop, and less than two hours... Hm.
  • olf and Hipuks will be waiting for me when I arrive at Los Angeles, waving their arms with enthusiasm, perhaps holding a sign that reads "Latin_D". So cute, those two. Unfortunately, olf told me that amtrack wasn't an option because it was likely to get me stuck on a bus for part of the trip.

    (Cost of a one-way plane ticket from San Francisco to Los Angeles? $140 to $50 via Southwest, and hopefully someday I'll understand exactly what the "wanna get away" tickets imply. Surprisingly, the big airlines like AA only charge $60 for this one.)
  • And now it gets downright frightening. I would love to drive from LA to Denver - I have some time, a couple of free days, and it'd let me visit Las Vegas, the Grand Canyon, and know at least part of the country outside the cities. olf and Tim recommended but coming up through New Mexico, because driving from the west that time of the year could take a long time due to the weather.

    Question for you good folks: did I mark the Gran Canyon properly? I'd like to visit it, but apparently the park itself is humongous. Is it necessary to go via Utah instead?

    Renting a car would be a nice change of pace, too - but an expensive one. HERZ (probably not the cheapest option available) tells me it costs about $110 per day, and Google Maps says it's about a 23-hour marathon. I could probably get to Denver in two days, two days and a half, but three days would be better. It'd let me stay for a day in Las Vegas, and a few hours at the Gran Canyon taking photos and trying to produce an echo by shouting obscenities in Spanish at the top of my lungs. That's another $330 for me, plus... what? $100 for gas? More? Maybe I could make up some of that by sleeping on the car - but only if it doesn't get me jailed for vagrancy.

    (Cost of a plane ticket = $100.)
  • Denver to Dallas. And by then I will probably be incredibly tired of planes, and secretly hate the stewardess who's explaining where the goddamned exists are, and what we're supposed to do in case the plane crashes into the Rockies and we're left stranded for months, fighting the cold and hunger. (Answer: when all else fails, eat the dead.)

    (Cost, according to Frontier = $130)

That brings us to a grand total of about... $2200.

Daaaamn. Guess I don't need to see the Gran Canyon that badly.

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Get-togethers

Okay, this is where I really want your input. When do think they should be held? I'm sure Wayne has ideas of his own - he told me he wanted to have a meeting at the Austin Toros, which would be pretty cool. But I still want you guys to join me for the San Antonio games at lease, show me the ropes as they say. I'm open to any and all ideas, so please speak your mind.

So far, only these people confirmed their attendance:

  • San Antonio: BlaseE, LionZion, Big50, Wayne, Bell. I think that's it. I'm going to go ahead and count tomasito and jolly, because if they drag their asses to San Antonio sometime during that week, I'm going to find them and hunt them down.
  • Portland: VWolf was going to be there to show me the Rose Garden (I promise that's not an euphemism), but he hasn't said much lately. Where are you, man? 
  • Los Angeles: An immigrant and a Lakers fan are there, and I hope to meet them both. I promise to take a photo of Hipuks when he's being whipped by his girlfriend, and of olf when the Lakers receive an old-fashioned 20-point Texan asskicking.
  • Denver: SiMA is the lord of Tattoo City, and honestly, I don't know what to expect. But he has enticed me with a cornucopia of cool activities, so it might just be worth it to buy that LA-Denver ticket and get there fast.
  • Dallas: Wayne will be waiting for me there, and we shall be reunited for two days. While he's doing his journalist thing I'll focus on Guy Dupuy slamming it down after jumping over BronBron and Dwight.

If you're around and available, let me know. I won't know anyone in those towns, so it's always nice to meet someone to chat. Maybe we could even go together to the games - even though I doubt many of you will want to pay for the tickets I'm planning on buying at Portland and Los Angeles, because...

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NBA tickets

This is the other item that could complete the destruction of my hard-earned savings: NBA tickets aren't cheap, and I'm planning on watching 4 home games, 3 more on the road and the All-Star Game. Fortunately, it seems that I might be able to get a discount (or even some free tickets!) for the games at San Antonio - which should save me some money I'll use on buying a Manu jersey to annoy the Lakers fans.

Just in case that's a pipe dream, the AT&T Center tells me that semi-okay seats are about $125, which strikes me as a bit on the expensive side of I-won't-be-able-to-swing-that. Hirschof said that the mid-court "nose bleed" seats are some of the best at the AT&T center, though, and those are only $50. I'm not sure what to do - on the one hand I don't have so much money, and on the other I'm traveling half-way across the world to watch those games. I want to be up close, see their expressions and experience a whole new depth of the games. What do you people think?

In Denver SiMA told me that he "had it covered". I was too scared to ask how exactly, so for the meantime I'll just thank him and move on. Portland and Los Angeles is where I plan to splurge: both are elite teams, and these games should be the best ones I'll have the opportunity to watch throughout my trip. The best seats at Portland for that game cost $160, and I'll be buying one soon - just in case. The courtside seats at Los Angeles are only affordable to celebrities and Arab sheiks (at over $3000 each), but relatively good seats can be had for $275. It depends on how much money I will have spent up to that point, but if all else fails I'll get the $195 seats. Or the $20 seats. As I said, it depends.

Regarding the ASG, whatever tickets are left might not be worth the money, as I mentioned above. I'll have to look into ASW packages, but for now I'm not as excited as I used to be.

All in all I could be spending about $800, which means that I'll have to subsist on McDonald's and rainwater.

Beyond basketball

It's not all basketball in life, despite how much time we waste in this blog. These will be my only vacations of the year, so in between games I want to have as much fun as possible. That's why I asked for recommendations as to what to do in each city I visited, and you were kind enough to give your opinions. Let's see:

  • San Antonio

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Tim suggested hitting downtown, which is a given - I need to see what that Riverwalk looks like. Then the Alamo, and the Tower of the Americas. Then he talked about Tex-mex food, but spicy food doesn't sit well with me so we'll see. Finally the mentioned the old Spanish missions... I've seen the like of those here, but it might be interesting.

Spurs20 has a bunch of recommendations: At downtown he repeated Tim's suggestions and added Ripley’s Believe It Or Not Museum - which was quickly shot down by SiMA and tomasito. They aren't fans of Ripley's, no sir. He also mentioned a couple of theme parks, a zoo, a mall and a Japanese Tea Garden. They're all fine, I'm sure, but I don't think they're the kind of stuff I absolutely can't miss when I'm in a new country.

Close to San Antonio are Austin, which I'm sure I'll visit at one point, and an hour to the north is Hill Country. If the weather is agreeably, I might drag by butt all the way there, because it looks like it's worth it.

  • Portland

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Portland was a fan-favorite, particularly the Columbia River Gorge. olf also mentioned the Bonneville Dam, which must be an spectacle by itself, but honestly I see enough dams at work. I don't need to go looking for more semi-interesting dams in my vacations.

I don't mind hiking a bit, I really don't, but in Winter it might inhospitable. I'll look into alternative programs, and hopefully find interesting stuff to do in the city. In our previous post no one suggested any famous museums: are there any in the cities I'm visiting? I should know this stuff - it's probably a strong googling away.

San Francisco

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I haven't done my homework here, but I'm sure just walking through San Francisco should be a treat. There's a certain bridge I won't miss for anything, a jail that I want to see with my own eyes, pier 39 (the classic tourist trap), and of course Chinatown. And I won't leave the city before riding one of those cable cars... or however they are called. I'm such a rebel.

I'd love to visit Yosemite park, too (pictured above), but I'm not sure I have the time. When I get to San Francisco I'll try to find local tours, or something like that that comes and goes within the day.

  • Los Angeles

The beach, the people, and olf said something about a fighter jet museum of some sort. Is Hollywood worth visiting? Whatever. If I have time I'll just do the boring touristy thing and visit J. Paul Getty Center, the Griffith Observatory, Disneyland, Universal Studios, Venice Beach, Queen Mary, Sunset Boulevard, etc. etc.

  • Denver

Denver: we go back to SiMA once again. He told me he could take me to the Royal Gorge bridge, which should be very cool, and also somewhere else that would be amazing but I'm not sure I can talk about. If I do go there I'll show you the pictures. ...If they let me take pictures, that is. Finally, it might be feasible to go to Denver by plane and then use one of the days between games to travel back to the Canyon, but I'll need SiMA's ruling on this.

 

I'm tired - Monday 12th is a holiday in Argentina, so in a couple of hours I'm traveling to visit my family. Fitting, eh? As I said above, I welcome each and every comment and suggestions you have for me, so drop me a line.

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An option is to buy a pass for the other ASW activities, like the dunk contest and the skills challenge, and skip the game itself. What do you think?

-That sounds like a good plan, since they will overcharge you for ANYTHING at that stadium.

You did mark the correct way to the Grand Canyon, and for your sake, I hope there’s snow when you go. It’s 10x better in the snow.

With San Francisco, you might also try going to Point Bonita, right across the Golden Gate from the city. It’s purty.

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by Tim C. on Oct 10, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t know what I’ll do. If I have the money it could be an amazing part of the trip (I don’t mind driving), but I’ll have to balance it against whatever I can do at Denver. I guess I’ll talk to SiMA, check what he thinks about it.

“Point Bonita”. Thanks, Tim, I’ll make a note of it.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to ease your mind, LD, you’re not at risk of crashing into the Rockies between Denver and Dallas – only between Las Vegas and Denver.

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by CapHill on Oct 10, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Geography fail.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Cap & Tim C,

I totally defer to you guys (and whomever else) regarding driving through Vegas to the Grand Canyon to Denver. That seems like a prohibitive amount of driving to me – and I love to drive. And I actually expected CapHill to tell you to expect to hit some serious S-N-O-W on the way into Denver in February.

Haven’t flown through Denver in winter in years but they always did well in airport operations getting flights through even in storms, etc.

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by olf on Oct 10, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The backtrack to Las Vegas from the Grand Canyon is quicker than continuing on to Denver by car. Plus, you can usually get some deals on a plane ticket between Denver and Vegas. February is generally not a snowy month for Denver, but you never know when a storm will hit the mountains, and I’d hate for LD to get stuck somewhere. And yes, DIA (Denver International Airport) is much better at dealing with the weather than the old airport.

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by CapHill on Oct 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hm. So you’re suggesting that I fly to Vegas, then rent a car, visit the Gran Cayon, then drive back and then catch another plane to Denver? That’s doable… I guess.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Cap,

Forgive me that I always shiver when I think of Denver before April. :-)

I would also be interested to hear from Tim C. about doing something similar via Phoenix – which is closer to the Grand Canyon than Vegas I think. Maybe fly to Phoenix, rent a car and spend the night in Flagstaff, Arizona (which I think is ~2 hours from Phoenix and ~2 hours from the Grand Canyon.

Although the flights probably better to/from Vegas. Plus Vegas is certainly a spectacle itself.

Anyways, I know it costs money but something to think about.

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by olf on Oct 11, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Canyon’s about a 4-hour drive from here, but I don’t know how long the drive from Vegas would be. But yeah, if LD were to have Phoenix in his plans, I’d be more than willing to help out with that.

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by Tim C. on Oct 11, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

During my trip, I came from Vegas then went the next day to the Grand Canyon. The drive’s about 5-6 hours.

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 11, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm. Phoenix or Vegas, Phoenix or Vegas… considering what you’ve said about Phoenix in the past… :)

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I went to Vegas, I was with my family so you know, not too much “fun” in that situation. My brother and I were planning to sneak out that night and really “experience” Vegas, but it was so damn hot at that time and we were too tired that we just called off our plans. The next day, we were off to Grand Canyon.

Anyway, moral of the story is that Vegas is completely awesome when you’re with your best buds or with people that’ll really want to go out and party. If you plan on going there alone, it’s more of like just sightseeing (the lights, hotels and maybe people-watching) and after awhile, it’ll get old.

Of course, if you hit up SCS in Vegas then he can probably tour you around to the best sights. But if you’re planning to go solo, then the Vegas experience might not be totally maximized. Just my two cents :)

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 12, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love all the “quotes”. :)

I’m sure it’s not going to be as fun as it could be on my own, but walking around and visiting some of the hotels and casinos should be fun on its own. There’re some incredible designs.

I’ll take what I can. But if anyone wants to join me…

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I forgot that you were an engineer. Oh well, you’ll definitely have a blast with all the infrastructure there.

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 12, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t you mean “infrastructure”?

Davis, you’re so witty.

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by J.R. Wilco on Oct 13, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, exactly the message I was trying to get across. Man, you’re dangerous.. You see through everyone.

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 13, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit. I don’t get this. W—w—wait! Don’t explain. I’m still trying to figure it out. Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Damn it!

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by theonlyromeo on Oct 13, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just thought it would be cheaper for you. Getting to Vegas is usually pretty cheap, plus you wouldn’t have to pay extra for the one-way car rental trip. I think it’s about a 4 hour trip to the Grand Canyon, which would also take you across the Hoover Dam. :) Phoenix would probably work too. And FYI, Southwest Airlines doesn’t charge you for checked baggage, which most other airlines do. That’s another $20 on top of the flight cost – thieving bastards!

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by CapHill on Oct 11, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with either flying to Vegas or Phoenix and renting the car to see the Grand Canyon and then flying to Denver.

by janieannie on Oct 11, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Hoover Dam is awesome. You should include that in your side trip, LD.

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 11, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I might do just that: plane to Las Vegas, rent a car for a day, then plane to Denver.

Boy, I’m going to be flying a lot.

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tips on Manu

I use to live in San Antonio and meet about 3 spurs players. If you want to get a photo with Manu he would be glad to he is one of the nicest guys in the league. You have to get to the stadium very early right when it opens. Ask the people there for some kind of wrist band so you could go down next to there tunnel. NOT actully on the ground just on the seats next to there tunnel. There you should be able to get an autograph from at least some spurs players. It migh of changed since I was living there but you can try that, or just by tickets next to there tunnel.
Sight Seening:
If you are looking for a scare I would recommned going to the haunted train tracs,Walking through the aslyums. Waring if you go to the asylums and the cops find you can get in trouble. Altough I go every year and nothing happens. Hell every one in San Antonio has done it once. Dont be afried either if you hear some guy shoot his gun. He owns the land is just trying to scare you off. You should deftinley get some mexican food in San Antonio too. It is the best in the country. Some other good places I would recommned would be Rudys,Bill Millers BQ, and sea food island, Im not shure if I got the name right on the Sea resturant.

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by Manu-20 on Oct 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

P.S. You should check out my new fan shot. Song and Video not done by me. It is going to be the spurs 2010 national anthem.

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by Manu-20 on Oct 10, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

be afried either if you hear some guy shoot his gun.

Personally I find guns being shot nearby much scarier than ghosts.

Thanks for the tips regarding Manu. I’d like to be able to take a photo standing next to him, though. As I said, I’m going to try my luck at his forum, and maybe he’ll be in the mood for some pestering from a fan.

Thanks for the recommendations regarding eateries, too. I’m sure I’ll try some Tex-mex during my trip. If my colon can handle it.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do not eat Mexican food outside of El Paso, seriously (Mexican food capital of the US). Tex-Mex, definitely, there’s a difference and it’s also not nearly as spicy. I’ll try to hit up San Antonio when you’re there, I have a place to stay there now as well so we’ll just have to wait and see.

by xman130 on Oct 10, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let us know. I’m sure Wayne will try to organize something even before my trip.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds epic, Latin_D. I’m bursting with envy. I’m moving back to USAian soil in December. I don’t know what I’ll be doing for a living, but I might try to make it down to Dallas for All-Star weekend. Not for the game, mind you, I’m a tightwad, but some of the other events seem like they might be fun.

As many other’s have said, Portland is a great place. You might as well make your way to Powell’s City of Books. It is an incredible bookstore and you mentioned wanting to buy some books that you can’t find in Argentina.

San Francisco is a great place to just walk around. I bought this book when I was there and really enjoyed seeing parts of town that were off the beaten track. But you do need to be in shape, it is a hilly place.

I also want to recommend couchsurfing again. It will save you tons of money on hotels and give you a chance to see each city from a local’s perspective.

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by pollackj on Oct 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, pollackj, thanks for the help. Let’s see:

  • We need to meet for the ASG. Seriously. Wayne will be there, and I need someone to distract him in case he gets angry. Drop me an e-mail when you have the time, and we’re closer to the date.
  • Powell’s City of Books looks amazing. I already marked it down as a must-visit. When I went to Europe I brought about 15 books, and I only stopped buying because the peso/euro exchange rate was killing me softly with his song.
  • Much walking will be done in San Francisco. It might even help reduce my beer gut.
  • I remembered what you said about coachsurfing, but honestly I don’t know if I’m comfortable with the idea of going into a stranger’s home and sleeping on his home. I’m already embarrassed when PTRers offer me theirs, and at least we’ve chatted for a few years. It’s something to keep in mind, though, if my budget doesn’t allow me to stay in hotels.Thanks.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey it sounds great! But let me clarify a couple of things so that I don’t mislead you.

Regarding Portland (in February):
- bring a raincoat & umbrella (Same with San Francisco)
- the Columbia River Gorge is nearby and very scenic but
- not sure how fun it is in the rain
- so have something else indoorsy to do, museum, etc,
- skip the dam

Regarding taking a train:
- I ain’t no train lover. It only really made sense if you were going from Portland to Sacramento. You can get on the train in downtown Portland at 2:00PM and get to Sac at 6:00AM the next day for $68.00. It sucks to sleep on a train but you also save the money for a hotel for the night. ($100.~) And at the time you were talking about driving Portland to Sacramento and anything is better than that.
- Yosemite kicks ass but. . .spending a day on a tour bus driving over & back wouldn’t be worth it to me.

Regarding San Francisco:
-There are two airports that work. San Francisco International (SFO) and Oakland Airport. Both take a similar amount of time to get to/from the city.
-At Oakland Airport you can take a shuttle to a “BART” station and catch a train into San Fran for less than a taxi. But know where you are going because some of the stations are in rough parts of town. And an airport shuttle would be better if you’re lugging a bunch of stuff.
-Having a car in the city of San Fran sucks. Never anywhere to park it. And parking costs $$. Taxis, cable cars & stuff are pretty easy to come by.
-But you need a car to drive across the Golden Gate Bridge?? so I don’t know.
-The Fisherman’s Warf area is very touristy but you catch the Alcatraz ferries there. Places to walk, etc.
-In the summer the ferries can sell out fast so I usually get those tickets first and then plan the other things.
-San Fran Hotels can be expensive. So you could stay outside the city and take a BART train in or drive a car and just park it at Fisherman’s Warf for the day while you explore. (If that interests you let me know and I’ll suggest a good town.)

Regarding L A:
- I defer to Hipuks for what to do in L A.
- For a Mon night game at Staples – count on traffic.
- Know where you are going after the game. Some rough areas nearby once you are several blocks from Staples.
- That “L A Live” district across from Staples seems like a good place to kill a little time before a game. (ESPN Zone sportsbar, Grammy Awards museum, )
- The only reason I brought up those museums a couple of miles south of Staples is because it is a safe place to kill time as long as it is before dark.
- Btw it probably gets dark in L A about 5:30ish that time of year.
- I think the Lakers single game tickets just went on sale. They will sell out fast.

Sounds like a lot of fun!

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by olf on Oct 10, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy shit, olf, this is a lot of information.

  • I’m definitely trying to find indoorsy things to do, because I know it will be a pain in the ass if all the activities I planned involve hiking and I happen to go during an impromptu monsoon.
  • The train idea is mostly scratched, Yosemite might still be on. I want to see where Yoggy bear lived.
  • Thanks for the tips regarding San Francisco. I didn’t know about the Oakland airport, and that might multiply the available flights. Renting a car in the city seems to expensive for me… cable cars and buses it will be for me. I’m sure there are options to crossing the bridge – I remember that Tim mentioned he took a tour to the Bridge. I’ll let you know about the hotels.
  • Totally meeting in LA, right?
  • I’ll be getting that ticket soon. If all else fails, I’ll just resell it somewhere.

Thanks again, man.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool, it sounds like you have some takers for going to the L A game. No way I can make the game unfortunately. I’m a couple of hours south of L A so I’m really geographically undesirable. But let me know where you plan to be other than game-time in case I can break free.

The main reason I listed all that stuff about Staples is I didn’t want you getting mugged or something if you were on you own – never hear the frickin’ end of that.

And btw if it makes you feel any better Yogi-bear lived in Jellystone Park. And Yellowstone National Park is kick-ass just like Yosemite. Lots of bears, bison, moose, geysers, etc. But it is mostly in northern Wyoming (plus a little of Idaho and Montana) which is way the hell far away. It is also under about 10 feet of snow that time of year.

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by olf on Oct 10, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I forgot. Oakland is where the “Golden State” Warriors play. And let’s just say there is a reason they don’t call themselves the Oakland Warriors.

But the Oakland airport is convenient to San Fran city. Plenty of flights to/from L A & Portland and there is a Subway train (BART – Bay Area Rapid Transit) that goes directly into San Fran from there. No train from San Fran airport into the city – just shuttles, taxis or drive yourself (buses? not sure).

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by olf on Oct 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, I am way too into this, but I gave you some bad info about San Fran airport. It turns out that they have extended the BART train to San Fran airport as well as Oakland. So that would be my 1st low cost option into & out of the city from either airport – unless it was late at night, then probably an airport shuttle or taxi.

Here’s a map of BART:

The Golden Gate Bridge & Alcatraz are just above where word “Embarcadero” is (not walking distance though). And here’s a whole page about how to take BART to and from the Oakland and SFO airports.

The Embarcadero station is in the financial district and near the Hyatt Regency – Embarcadero & a Cable Car stop. So it is safe and an easy place to grab a cab & probably a train up to Pier 39 / Fisherman’s Warf where the Alcatraz ferries are. There is a street car that runs by there now too but not sure of its route.

Somewhere I read that the Alcatraz ferries sell out fast (not sure about winter) so consider purchasing a few days ahead online and that sometimes they offer night tours of Alcatraz which are said to be freeeky!

Major Disclaimer: I ain’t no San Fran (or even L A) expert. Just trying to help you out. And please pollackj & others let him know more about what you liked or would suggest in San Fran or wherever.

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by olf on Oct 10, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, thanks for the help, olf. I’m in a dinky cybercafe in the middle of nowhere, but I promise that when I get back home I’ll put some serious thought into your suggestions. This BART thingie does sound like the way to travel, though. I just need to google a bit and find out where the cheap-but-nice hotels are.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, Yosemite? I guess something was lost in translation, and my memory isn’t as good as it used to be. Where was Woody Woodpecker?

Send me an e-mail, olf, so we can arrange something and I can use you as my expert guide in all things Los Angeles.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, there isn’t much to see in San Antonio, The Riverwalk is okay if you like green water, and the Alamo is really a waste of time, but the Tower has a decent restaurant.

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by sw12 on Oct 10, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Heh. At least you were honest about it. I wonder how San Antonians will feel about your comment, sw. :)

Remember the Alamo, dude.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Alamo sucks. There, I agreed with that part.

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by Tim C. on Oct 10, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well the Alamo is definitely not what I imagined when I first saw it, but it was still cool to visit at least once. There’s no way to visit San Antonio and not at least go there once.

I usually go to the zoo in San Antonio as well, but I like zoos myself. It’s not the greatest, but it’s a break from the norm, for sure.

by xman130 on Oct 10, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I have to visit the Alamo at some point. Just have to.

I remember once I was in Córdoba, a Spanish city, and there was something in my tourist map that said “Roman temple”. I love ancient history, so I decided to go. It was halfway across the city through a million of those narrow, twisted, downright confusing Spanish streets – when I finally made it there the “temple” was a single standing Roman pillar.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

the alamo isn’t quite like that, but you’re just as good to walk past and snap a few pictures on your way down the riverwalk than take a tour

by BlaseE on Oct 10, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you’ve never been, it’s definitely worth going inside. There’s not a lot to see, but enough to get a feel of the history of the place. The symbolism of the Alamo is what gives it its charm (esp. b/c men from so many countries of the world died there for the cause of freedom).

by 4Him on Oct 11, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Try to read up on the story of the epic battle at the Alamo, then image it happening where you are walking as you visit the place. Actually most of the fighting took place where the street is now as the grounds of the mission were quite large. I appreciate the place because I taught Texas history.

by janieannie on Oct 10, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, I was a bit harsh about the Alamo… but it’s not a place I would spend a lot of time at. The other missions were more interesting to me, due to the architecture and scale, but they’re a little off the beaten path. And BlaseE is right, once you’ve seen the outside of the Alamo, there’s not much else.

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by Tim C. on Oct 10, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You weren’t harsh at all, spot on actually haha

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by sw12 on Oct 10, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

4Him, janie, I think I have to go at some point, if only to sate my curiousity. I’ll be in San Antonio for a week, so there’s plenty of time to visit all the hotspots. Thanks.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

San Antonio has Sea World, right? How is it.

BTW, David, are you familiar with Mundo Marino in San Clemente del Tuyu? Do you ever get down to those beach towns?

by Gino20 on Oct 11, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have been to sea world quite a few times and the charm has kind of wore off. Whenever we take relatives, they seem to really enjoy it though, especially kids. There aren’t a lot of rides and the shows aren’t amazingly impressive if you’ve seen something like it before. If you like roller coasters, Fiesta Texas is better.

by BlaseE on Oct 11, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I’ve been there once when I was a kid.

I’m usually nearby, but it’s expensive and doesn’t interest me all that much. My family has a beach house in Mar de Ajó, actually, and that’s only… 30, 50kms from San Clemente. I spend most of my Summers in Mar de Ajó, land of the free and the middle class families.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like the Panama canal

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by LasEspuelas on Oct 11, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

LD how long are you going to be in LA? I’d love to meet up, I’ve never been to a Lakers vs Spurs game because, as you mentioned, the tickets are so fucking expensive. I see the Spurs every year when they play the Clippers but I’d spend some extra moola on the Lakers game if you’re gonna be in town, let me know when you’re going to buy them so perhaps we can go together. Also if you’re a big wine guy I would suggest taking a trip about an hour south of LA to Temecula- my whereabouts. There are dozens of winearys and pretty scenery.

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by Manuwar on Oct 10, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m not sure how long I’ll be in LA – probably two days. I’m definitely going to that name, so drop me a mail later (I don’t have yours) and we’ll decide which seats we’re going to get. I’ll talk to olf and Hipuks just in case they want to come with us. I was thinking of buying the tickets next week, or the following week – is that okay?

I’m not a wine person, actually. I can drink it just fine, but right now I prefer beer.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

*to that game

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m on mini-vacations, at a cybercafe, checking PTR. So sad. Will be back tomorrow. Thanks everyone for your help.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That works out good, the sooner we buy tickets the better actually. I’ll email you.

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by Manuwar on Oct 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and your trip sounds epic. When I was 19 I took a road trip around the US going to 32 states seeing all the national landmarks and going to different sports stadiums, it was the time of my life.

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by Manuwar on Oct 10, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

If you have a choice for about the same cost, fly Southwest – good, low fare airline, and on time.
I would not attempt that drive from LA to Denver at that time of year – you will spend most of your time driving, and it’s flat country except for the Grand Canyon until you hit the Rockies.
If you have an Argentina Manu jersey or an Argentine soccer jersey, wear that to the Spurs games. I’ve seen him stop workouts to visit with people from his country. He warms up until about 45 minutes before the games. You won’t be able to get into the seating area of the arena until one hour before game time. (You can enter the “bar area” two hours before).
Good seats in the lower level can be had for around $85 plus taxes on row 14 and up on the baselines – Sections 101, 114, 115, and 128. Contact Ryan Denbow (one of my former students) and/or Chris Hernandez (my “ticket guy”) about tickets, and tell them your story. You might get a break on one game. I’ll send you a private message on manu’s forum with their contact information.

by janieannie on Oct 10, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Definitely fly Southwest if you can. Install DING on your computer and sometimes you can get at least 20 bucks off the “wanna get away” fares, which is nice. I flew last week from El Paso to Austin and back for around 125 bucks (plus taxes and all that).

by xman130 on Oct 10, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Care to explain me what that “wanna get away” thing entails? I’m not quite sure why they are so cheap, other than the fact that apparently they’re no refundable.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wanna get away is the phrase of their ad campaign. It has some funny commercials.

Southwest is cheap because they don’t give you crap in their flights, they fly only one type of airplane so repairs are cheaper, they fly non-stop and on a limited amount of routes, so they always make money on each flight instead of having airplanes sitting around for connecting flights, and they buy fuel in advance, so that when the price of fuel goes sky high like it’s bound to, they pay the prices they agreed when they bought the fuel. Before the super mega recession we had, Southwest had turned a profit for something like 17 straight years.

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by Hipuks on Oct 10, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense. Argentina could use one of those.

But I meant why are they so much cheaper than their next option.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because “wanna get away” are promotional tickets they sell when they have a number of empty seats on flights that are already going to be in the air. Better to sell those at lower than usual cost to get some money from them, instead of having empty seats.

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by J.R. Wilco on Oct 13, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aaah, gotcha. Thanks.

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by LatinD on Oct 13, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it was for the football game, you should have gone to Houston instead….epic win for the Miners

by BlaseE on Oct 10, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually that was the week before, UTEP got a major ass whooping from the Longhorns (expected, of course). The Houston/UTEP game was the week after, in El Paso. That weekend I was in Austin for ACL.

by xman130 on Oct 11, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn’t get to see any of that game and just thought it was in Houston.

by BlaseE on Oct 11, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what you’re saying, janie, but I don’t want to miss the Gran Canyon. If there was some way to visit it without traveling by car, I’d take it.

I actually don’t have a Manu jersey yet. I was thinking of buying his Spurs jersey… but maybe you’re right and I should try to exploit the “Argentinian angle”. :)

Thanks for the help, janie, seriously. I can’t check Manu’s forum till Tuesday, but it’ll be the first thing I do when I get back home.

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t buy a Manu jersey at the arena if you an get someone to take you to an Academy store (either in San Antonio or Austin). They are much cheaper there – same replica jerseys. I don’t believe there is an authentic game quality Manu jersey for sale. I’ve not found one on-line, only Tim Duncan’s, and very expensive. The “swingman” replicas are good looking, though, for around $50 or less. I’ll check prices for you either Monday or Wednesday when I am in SA.

by janieannie on Oct 10, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got an authentic Manu jersey for a gift a few years back. My sister bought it on Ebay unused, w/tags and everything, for 40-something dollars, including shipping. Sometimes ebay is where it’s at, mayne.

by Gino20 on Oct 11, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

So no authentic jerseys… that sucks. Why is that? What’s the difference? The quality of the fabric?

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fabric is heavier and the letters and numbers are sewn on, and the price for an authentic one like the guys wear in the games is astronomical! Check the NBA store and the Spurs store websites.

by janieannie on Oct 11, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will, thanks. I guess I’ll buy a replica.

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Genio

Sinceras felicitaciones, con un poco de sana envidia.
Y esta temporada será recordad por siempre: LatinD was here.

by guille on Oct 10, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Jaja, gracias, Guille. Avisame si querés que te traiga algo, porque va a haber lugar de sobra en la valija. Creo. Aprovechá ahora que no me han pedido mucho. :)

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by LatinD on Oct 10, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bueno, che, quiero q’ me traigas….
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by Gino20 on Oct 11, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buen castellano, Gino. ¿Qué querés que te traiga? :)

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

No te hagas problema. Estaba bromeando, no más, porque vos dijiste que no se te había pedido mucho, jeje. Me alegro de que tengas la oportunidad de asistir a algunos partidos de los Spurs, y que también puedas conocer un poco de este país.

by Gino20 on Oct 11, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Japanese Tea Gardens in San Antonio are really awesome if its not really cold. They are way better than the Alamo or Ripley’s.

The Riverwalk is worth seeing, but be careful down there because there are some terrible tourist trap restaurants with really bad expensive food.

Tex-Mex doesn’t have to be spicy. I’d love to hear other San Antonians suggestions, but I strongly recommend Papasitos. Their steak fajitas are incredibly perfect. My only complaint is that their restaurant atmosphere sucks as the tables are super crowded and its always really really hectic/loud. La Fogata and La Hacienda aren’t quite as tasty (still really good), but are way nicer to eat at. I think all of them are similar price levels. You should probably go to Taco Cabana once just to experience the dirty goodness. Plus, they usually support the Spurs.

Chinatown is overrated now….unless maybe you know someone to show you the cool stuff. I didn’t. Coit tower was cool though and we took a boat tour under the Golden Gate Bridge and around Alcatraz that was really cool.

Would you consider springing for a nice ticket to the ASG if you knew our big 3 were gonna play? If our team is as good as I think we are, we might be Detroiting the lineup like they did that one year. RJ might even have a chance to finally be an all-star. If Pop has to coach them then they will all see really little minutes though.

by BlaseE on Oct 10, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I echo your recommendations. Papasito’s and La Hacienda… man, you are bringing back some delicious memories for me right now(I used to be able to walk to La Hacienda on Redland road from my parents’ house. I could go for Taco Cabana, too. That’s OK, though… I’ll survive with In-N-Out and El Torito out here.

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by Tim C. on Oct 10, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

In-N-Out is good, wish we had them here. So Papasito’s is good? I’ve always seen them around when I go to San Antonio but never bothered to stop to eat there. I’ll have to try their fajitas when I’m in town.

Tim, you ever eat at Taco Tote? Their tacos are pretty damn good, at least here they are. A bit over priced, but they’re good.

by xman130 on Oct 11, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not familiar with them, but according to their website, they’re in the “mall” near me. I might have to try that next weekend.

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by Tim C. on Oct 11, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely do, try their pork adobado tacos. ;)

by xman130 on Oct 12, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Papasito’s is good. If you are going to get fajitas, I think they do half price Wednesdays or Tuesdays which would be a really good deal.

by BlaseE on Oct 11, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was actually on Redland tonight at a friend’s for this movie night thing I do. I’ve never had In-N-Out and I’ve never even heard of El Torito.

by BlaseE on Oct 11, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Japanese Tea Gardens, check. Tex-men eateries, check. Thanks, BlaseE.

I’ll see what I can do about Chinatown. I’ll probably be on my own in a strange city in a foreign country, so I doubt my ability to convince someone to show me the “good stuff”. I guess we’ll see.

I’d pay for a nice ticket even if the Big 3 weren’t there, but janie told me that all the good ones are probably sold by now. And regardless of how much I want to go, my budget is pretty limited. 375 dollars are about 1500 pesos, and that’s a lot for me.

Thanks again.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

LD,
Regarding the drive from LA to Denver, or Vegas to Denver, 100 bones (in case this is unclear, I mean dollars) is probably a good estimate of the gas cost. I am not sure if you want to go the long route. The idea behind it is to avoid bad weather, but I assume coming up from southern Colorado will still be cold/snowy/etc. If you go through Utah, it will also be cold but shorter. Acutally St George (southwest Utah, about 2 hrs drive from Vegas) should have relatively mild weather, but it will get cold shortly after you leave that area. Speaking of St George, the scenery and architecture are pretty cool. You might want to see it on your way from Vegas to Denver. If you needed to stop, they have decent hotels for a decent price (it’s kind of a city for retirees/tourists/golfers). They have these red rock cliffs and upper-class, new-school adobe-looking houses. I imagine parts of Arizona and/or New Mex are pretty similar.

by Gino20 on Oct 11, 2009 1:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Hm, well, G20, that was originally my idea, but then people told me that going through Utah was likely to be very difficult that time of the year, borderline impossible if I wanted to keep any sort of schedule. I depend on your comments, really, but I guess I’ll check with SiMA once more and see what he has to say.

Thanks for the help.

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

LD. Everything looks good. Now you just need to catch a few breaks in airline prices :P.

I am dropping in for the Jan 25 Chicago game. I am guessing Wayne and you and couple more ppl will be there, so how do we all get seats next to each other? This will be my first trip down there too. So if one of you guys can tell me which seat(what section, number etc etc) to get, I will dial the ticket guy now. If its more convenient for one of you to get some kinda group sitting package, gimme the info and I will mail the cheque. It will be great to see you all and the Spurs!!

Now I just need to figure out an “excuse” for my professor.

by LionZion on Oct 11, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I really do, LZ. :)

I’m not sure what we’re doing to do about the seats… I’ll have to talk to Wayne about it. I’m sure he has some sort of idea cooked up, and if all else fails, we’ll get together before the game and then again after the game.

Excuse: Tim and Manu are getting older, it’s now or never?

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by LatinD on Oct 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

LD, this sounds like and absolutely fabulous trip. Regarding SIMA he is an absolutely great host in Colorado. He provided great advice when I was there in August. Im sorry Im not going to be able to join the festivities in San Antonio, it went through my mind to join but I need to save for a wedding.

Im not surprised you did not have any problems getting the US Visa. The VISA agent probably reads PTR. Ive gotten the VISA in Panama several times and never had a problem.

Finally, I hope your boss does not read PTR. That would be kind of awkward.

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by LasEspuelas on Oct 11, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

The VISA agent probably reads PTR.

GOL

by Gino20 on Oct 11, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

A wedding over the Spurs GTG? That’s cold, man. :)

Imagine if the guy in charge of granting my visa had been a Suns fan? That would’ve been pretty bad for me. My boss definitely doesn’t read PTR, so that’s something.

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think my boss does, but he’s a Laker fan. I just hope he doesn’t know that I’m this idiot who keeps on posting at PtR.

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 12, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, now I have questions

Your boss reads PtR?

How do you know this?

You sure he doesn’t post?

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by J.R. Wilco on Oct 13, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don’t have evidence. I just have that weird feeling. Maybe he’s one of those people who post and then pull off a, what’s that you call it, a bustola-disappearo act?

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 13, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is indeed what I called it. We’ll see if it has any legs though.

As to your boss. My money’s on him being psychopops. I have no evidence; only a hunch…

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by J.R. Wilco on Oct 14, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think my own wedding should be sufficient reason ; )

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by LasEspuelas on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then it’s not “a” wedding, man, but “the” wedding. :)

Congrats!

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you! If I win the lottery (extremely unlikely because I dont play it) I will be at the SA get together. Heck I would join you through the whole trip!

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by LasEspuelas on Oct 13, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your trip sounds awesome. I’ll definitely have to make it down to SA for one of the games. I will have graduated by then, so I should have more free time.

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by tomasito on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

What were you studying, tomasito? Sorry, I forgot.

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Master’s in Civil/Architectural Engineering, concentration in Construction Engineering and Project Management.

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by tomasito on Oct 14, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs Jerseys

Checked the Fan Shop at the AT&T Center today. They DO have authentic, game jerseys for $199. A replica of heavy mesh is $99, with sewn on letters and numbers. The least expensive one is a mesh with transfer numbers and letters and it is $59 (these are $49 at Academy stores). I have the least expensive one and it is a nice jersey.

by janieannie on Oct 12, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy crap, $200? That’s prohibitive for me. Crazy….

Thanks for the info. I’ll get the $49 one.

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

LD,
I been in San Antonio about 30 years now. The River Walk is a must do in town. An additonal good point about the River Walk is that it is about 200 steps from the Alamo. Easy walk through the Hyatt and up the steps to the Alamo.

by LakehillsFan on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Will do, LF, thanks. Gonna join us for the game?

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by LatinD on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI,

At this point I plan to be in SA for one of those late-January games, so any PtR meet-up is welcomed. Nothing like catching a home game!

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by Tim C. on Oct 13, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome!

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by LatinD on Oct 13, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome

I’ll join the San Antonio get-together, LatinD.

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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Great, Hirschof, that’s a promise. :)

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by LatinD on Oct 13, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heeeeeeeeeeey, I’m gonna be at one of those games!

Also, you keep saying your English isn’t good. WTF, man? If your English isn’t great, mine isn’t.

Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.

by Queness on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

My spoken English is the boogeyman of spoken Englishes. You’ll see.

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by LatinD on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry about it, for the most part white people are polite and won’t make fun of your accent, many girls will actually like it. Latinos though, yeah, they will ask you if you used Ingles Sin Barreras to learn.

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by Hipuks on Oct 14, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL @ Hipuks. Ingles sin barreras, man that’s a classic. I remember watching some of those commercials back in the day.

by xman130 on Oct 14, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guys, if there’s anything LatinD posts that you should ignore, it’s his self-demeaning comments about his spoken English.

David, you do speak with an accent. But that is the full extent of what a USAian will notice when speaking with you. Not your less than 100% accurate command of our idioms, or your not-quite-perfectly declined verbs.

An accent. Nothing more and nothing less.

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by J.R. Wilco on Oct 14, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s to the point where I’m going to be disappointed if it doesn’t make my ears bleed.

by BlaseE on Oct 14, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

. . .won’t make fun of your accent, many girls will actually like it.

Is this inappropriate?

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by olf on Oct 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ask yourself, Is it ever appropriate posting anything to do with Carlos Mencia? You have learned your lesson.

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by Hipuks on Oct 14, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, like how I’m a lot less charming in person.

Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.

by Queness on Oct 14, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone is. That’s why the internet is so fun.

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by Hipuks on Oct 14, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

does anyone know a good place to meet prior to the game to get a drink or food near the at&t center or are we thinking january tailgate in lot 7? It doesn’t really have to be super close, just an easy drive to the arena.

by BlaseE on Oct 14, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

If you want close to the Center, there’s Liberty Bar. But lots of good Tex-Mex (and Mex-Mex) are an easy drive, too. I’ll let the San Antonio contingent wax wise on that.

And hell yes I’ll be there for at least one of the January games.

WWTD?

by Lauri on Oct 14, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, the Liberty Bar will be moving to Southtown sometime in the new year. I love the Liberty Bar. I don’t know what we’ll do without that beautiful leaning, looks like it’s falling down restaurant & bar. http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/The_Liberty_Bar_is_moving_south.html

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by bellasa on Oct 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve only been there once. It was for an end of semester lunch for the PREP staff at the Incarnate Ward site. I was a PA one summer during college. The place was pretty good.

by BlaseE on Oct 14, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nooooo! Make them promise to stay until after Latin D’s visit!

WWTD?

by Lauri on Oct 14, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone ever eat at the Josephine St. cafe? (I think it’s nextdoor to the Liberty Bar, but I could be wrong)

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by Tim C. on Oct 14, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are correct, Rikki. It’s right next door. A number of Spurs fans make this their pre-game destination. Josephine’s has an old grey school bus that will take you to the game and pick you up. I like the faux tree in the middle of the restaurant…. another SA staple.

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by bellasa on Oct 14, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do I see the words steaks and whisky on those windows. How come I didn’t know of this place?

by xman130 on Oct 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good God, now I really need to work on that San Antonio travelogue post I’ve been meaning to write.

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by bellasa on Oct 17, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get to it!! =P
Kidding, but it would be nice for the next time I’m up in San Antonio =D

by xman130 on Oct 17, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey LD, I’m not sure if someone’s brought this up yet, but just in case the ASG is way too expensive, maybe you should check out the Rookie Challenge instead, although it probably will still be a steep cost. I think Blair will make it to the rookie team, so if it might be cool to see him feast on some second year players. Glad to see you didn’t have trouble getting your Visa.

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by the little o on Oct 17, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

If I have to pick one, it’ll be the Dunk Contest. :)

Thanks, TLO.

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by LatinD on Oct 18, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

no problem LD. agreed, the dunk contest should be very special this year. Who’s agreed to go on it so far? Lebron, Howard and anyone else yet?

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by the little o on Oct 18, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Hill has a chance. Derrick Rose is obviously the starter, but Hill could show off his improvements before they make their picks for the game.

by BlaseE on Oct 19, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

based on talent alone, I believe Russel Westbrook will be in as the back-up point guard position after Rose. Now, based on a combination of talent and playing time, DJ Augustine will beat George Hill for the 3rd point guard position (if it exists). In my opinion Hill is slightly better than Augustine, Hill is also slightly better than Chalmers, and Bayless.

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by the little o on Oct 20, 2009 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

when I see all there names together, I realized how awesome last years draft was for PG’s and this year was supposed to be the PG draft.

by BlaseE on Oct 20, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last years draft was heavily talented no doubt, but I think this year’s wasn’t too bad either, GM’s just had to do their hw a little more. This year’s rookie pg have been playing really well in the pre-season games. Johnny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor. Some rookie pg’s haven’t really stood out yet, but I wouldn’t count them out from contributing (Holiday, Lawson), others don’t want to contribute (Rubio), and some aren’t really pg but are classified that way (Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry). I also think that this year’s second round picks will be better than last year’s second round picks (which says a lot about the talent of this year’s draft or the GM’s, not sure).

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