A Historic Day For All Of Us: Manu's Making His Threes Again
Watching Manu stroke it is a true sight to behold. (TWSS)
(Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)
Well, Spurs fans, what can I say? Either by hook or by crook, we've been grinding wins out against mediocre, okay kinda shitty, okay incredibly shitty competition. After 41 games they're 28-13 and thus on a pace of 56-26, which no matter how you qualify it, is a considerable achievement given the team's injury situation in November. Guys like John Hollinger, Matthew Powell or even Gregg Popovich might tell you the team just isn't very good, but none of these unfortunate-looking gentlemen know as much about basketball as I do, so don't bother listening to them or reading their propaganda.
You root for a good basketball team. It's the truth. Don't be ashamed of it or feel guilty for the good fortune of four NBA championships this past decade or for the drafts that gave us The Admiral, Timmeh, Manu, Tony and of course George Hill. There's a reason the other teams haven't had the success we've had and the reason isn't bad luck or bad karma. It's simply this - their coaches and general managers are/were stupid dipshits.
Rick Pitino only took the Celtics job because he assumed Boston would land Duncan in the draft. You don't assume anything in the NBA, ya cocky fucktard! You should've waited 'til after the draft to choose where to coach. Loser. Like your coaching genius will really make up for the talent gap between Timmy and Chauncey Billups. Moron.
As for our backcourt, anyone could've picked them. Repeat, anyone. But they didn't and we did. And that's all it takes, ladies and germs. It's easier - and harder - to be a good NBA team, than any other sport. All you need is two or three difference makers out of five guys on the court. I'm not talking about guys with good stats or appearances in the All-Star game or whatever. That stuff is worthless. I'm talking about real, honest to goodness guys who matter.
Here's your list of NBA players who matter:
Atlantic:
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh
Jose Calderon
Central:
LeBron James
Southeast:
Dwight Howard
Hedo Turkoglu
Joe Johnson
Dwyane Wade
Pacific:
Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
Northwest:
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony
Deron Williams
Southwest:
Yao Ming
Chris Paul
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Dirk Nowitzki
That's 21 guys. If I was feeling generous, I'd expand the list to 25 or 30 and include Rajon Rondo, Devin Harris, Danny Granger, Derrick Rose (you can tell with him already) and Caron Butler in the East and maybe Carlos Boozer, Steve Nash, Tracy McGrady, and Billups in the West.
Anyway, that's your list. Everyone else is just filling out rosters, playing for stats, playing for money, playing for women, playing for freakin' exercise for all it really comes down to. The league is 30 guys and everyone else is a role player.
So forget all the mumbo-jumbo bullshit that Pop and the media feed you about our defense, our lack of athleticism, our age, whatever. It doesn't matter. The reason we've been good and the reason we'll continue to be good for the next two years after this is we've got three of the baddest 25 mofos on the planet (which maybe the Celtics and Suns can boast, but no one else) and a great coach who makes sure they rest of the randoms who play with them don't screw it up too badly. Pop is right when he says seeds and home court advantage don't matter all that much in the playoffs to the Spurs. Come May the big three all will play 40+ minutes and will take the lion's share of the shots and that's all they'll need to have a decent chance against anyone.
What's that? You say the other guys do matter? You say you love and appreciate Mason and Hill and Kurt and Rocket and all the other hustlin' lunch pail bringin' fellas? Yeah, of course you do. You relate to them because they lack elite talent and have to work for everything they get. You can't imagine being as talented as Manu, but you can imagine being Matt Bonner, if only your high school coach gave you a chance. If we replace the bottom 12 guys on our roster with a dozen other NBA schmoes, you'd learn to love their odd quirks and mannerisms as well. Hell, you cheered for Uwe Blab once upon a time. Sorry to splash you with a cold bucket of reality.
We didn't lose to the Lakers last year because of Finley or Bowen or whoever. We lost to the Lakers because Manu was hurt. That's it. If he's healthy, we play a classic Finals against the Celtics and probably win because TD would've made "The Big Ticket" his personal shame sock. Simmons would've bitched and moaned about how cursed he is. It would've been awesome. Alas.
But anyway, like I said, it's the easiest sport to be a contender because as long as you have two dominant players, it doesn't matter if you have a bunch of crappy ones. But it's the hardest sport to be a contender because it's so hard to find a legit good player and so hard to tell the difference between one of those and the numerous faux-stars that infest and pollute the league, leaving a never-ending assembly line of groupies and disappointed fans in their wake.
It's the faux-stars that give the NBA its negative reputation. These guys that don't show up on the road, don't step up their games against the good teams, score 25 on 25 shots on one end and give up 25 on the other end and call it a good day, don't do anything in the playoffs if they make it at all... every game is one big meaningless shoulder-shrugging stat orgy and it's all yuks afterward in the bus, on the plane and in the clubs, win or lose. The college guys have no talent, but supposedly they care. Of course they care. They're playing to impress NBA scouts in to giving them guaranteed contracts. You can't stop caring without the money because that'd be retarded.
What's my point? The Spurs are better than good. They're contenders. They'd be merely "good" with Matthew and I in the starting lineup and Wayne as the sixth man (as long as his ankle is healthy, God that thing is nightmare fuel).
I watched the Bobcats game this morning on Broadband which was an awful experience because of the lag every 30 seconds. An ugly two hour game took almost three to watch and I truly regret the experience. Our offense was pathetic after the first quarter, and I found it difficult to credit the work of our defense much against a team came into the game averaging only 91 points. The guys sleepwalked through the game and just as easily could've lost it, if not for a hot spell early in the fourth from Mason that kept them in it while the big three were resting.
"Wait," you're saying. "You just said Mason doesn't matter and now you're giving him props for winning the game against the Charlotte. What the hell?"
Mason did help beat Charlotte. But he didn't do anything spectacular, he just merely played his part. And the reason the game was up for grabs was because we weren't all that motivated. In the big picture, it wouldn't have mattered all that much if we lost the game. In May, games like that don't happen because you don't play teams like that. (Well, maybe in the first round of the Eastern Conference.)
Anyway, for kicks, here are three observations about the Bobcats game:
1) For the sake of our nation, I can only hope the first black president is more successful than the first black team owner. The Bobcats are an embarrassment in nearly every aspect. They're hemmoraging money, their front office is a joke, and their broadcasts are practically amateurish. In the first quarter they skipped forty seconds of live action to show some taped interview. Their lame announcers weren't even homers, but were hackneyed and unprepared. Talking about George Hill the play-by-play guy said to the color guy, "He went to I-U-P-U-I, do you know what that stands for?"
The color guy replied, "Oh yeah, that's Indiana University Purdue University."
Play-by-play guy: "Well, what about the other 'I'? There's still that other 'I' at the end."
Color guy: "Uh, just add 'Institute' or something."
Paid professional broadcasters, ladies and gentlemen! All that was missing in the game was star fade-outs.
2) What has become of Adam Morrison? This guy dropped like 30 on Bruce Bowen the first time we faced him. Since then he's had an ACL injury and now he's averaging under five points, shooting below 38% (but still higher than Manu on threes) and doesn't appear long for the NBA. He made that commercial about promising to make people cry and so far the only one who is is MJ for drafting his gimpy ass.
3) I mentioned this on the Indiana game blog, and I don't want to jinx it, but I think Tony may be turning a corner as far as his passing and court vision goes. Sure, he's not passing to Manu very often. But he sure is dishing it to everyone else. Throughout Tony's career, he's had generally three types of games:
A) Lotsa points, notsa assists
B) Lotsa points and lotsa assists
C) Notsa points and notsa assists.
Well against Charlotte we saw D, notsa points, lotsa assists. This, to me, represents maturity in Tony's game, that even when the shot isn't falling for him, he can still focus enough to get good shots for others instead of checking out mentally and sulking on the bench. Maybe the insertion of Mason and Bonner into the lineup is giving Tony better passing options than ever. But for whatever reason he seems to have a better sense of teammates in every direction than ever before and he's doing a better job of anticipating situations before they happen. I really thought he had hit a plateau as a passer, but I may be wrong. I've always believed, fervently, that the popular Parker-fanboy defense of this offense not being conducive to assists was bunk and this year is bearing it out. A good point can find open shooters in any offense.
As for the Pacers game, that was far more entertaining to watch, though again, I don't know how much it means in the big picture. Indiana came off a brutal, heart-breaking, buzzer-beater loss the night before at the NOOCH. I don't think they were ever mentally into it, and when an already atrocious defensive team decides to not bother pretending to try, games can turn ugly pretty quickly. We tried to help them stay in it for as long as we could by committing a few ghastly turnovers and missing a bushel of layups, but the dam finally burst in the 3rd quarter and we put them away before Gino checked back in to the second half really.
Yes, the defense was good and we held Indiana to 37% and crushed them on the boards (Jeff Hoster, whom the Spurs covet, only pulled down four), but it's hard to do quality analysis when Manu is hitting everything in sight and the score margin turns the blog into one long "That's what she said" competition.
(Which I inadvertently fueled by imploring Manu to "take it inside, you weenie")
Full credit goes to Wayne for predicting that Tim and Manu would be the stars of the game, though I don't know how much genius it takes to predict that the two best players would be the two best players. For what it's worth, counting the two "clutch" threes against the Bobcats, Gino has now made six bombs in succession, so we can only hope that the one glaring weakness of his season thus far is a thing of the past.
He even got a pass from Tony! There's hope for this team yet.
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Excellent post Stampizzle, your point about the NBA being the easiest and hardest league in which to be a contender is very true. I think we’re right up there with the elite, I would be confident of us against any team except the Lakers, who with all players healed, will have an incredibly deep team.
Another thing we should mention is how hard it is to stay at the top like the Spurs have. The Pistons had the right pieces but for one reason or another only got one ring. The Mavs had that one season in which they choked spectacularly during the Finals, next season they seemed scary good, and it all it took was an early exit from the playoffs to pretty much destroy any vestiges of an elite team. Same with the Suns, though never built to win championships, were an elite team and several playoff exits at our hands, turned into this team that can neither play good halfcourt defense, but can’t run either, being stuck in the worst of both worlds.
We have to be thankful that unlike the Suns, Mavs, and Pistons or FO never panicked and traded one of the big three in order to have a quick return who in the end would end up hurt the team.
Hopefully for the second half of the season we can tighten up our D and with better offense than last year, this team would be quite good.
Oh, forgot something, Tim Duncan is a gift from the Flying Spaghetti Monster himself.
Completely right
Sometimes I wanna kill Parker o Manu because of some plays, but the reality is that if the Big Three are on fire in a game the Spurs cant loose. So I just hope they can reach their best level in the rest half of season. Great post. Amen
How can Toronto suck so bad if they have two of the only 25 players that matter?
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
Great point Tomasito. I think this theory needs to be refined a bit more.
by speedostuffer on Jan 21, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
well, one’s been hurt a lot. Perhaps I should rethink Calderon’s inclusion. He was such a badass last year though.
by Aaronstampler on Jan 21, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Calderon has been hurt a lot, and frankly, I would question Bosh’s inclusion on that list. We’ve had several Bosh-related discussions on here recently and I’m just not as enamored with him. He lacks inside toughness and a go-to shot. A healthy Elton Brand (an automatic 20-10 guy) would merit inclusion over Bosh in the Atlantic for me.
Not trying to pick a fight with your list, Stamp. I know it’s probably something you did quickly. But it’s worth noting that Bosh has never carried his team.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley
I also would question Bosh’s inclusion on the list. Not that he isn’t a good player, but he never seems capable of carrying a team to the next level. For that reason too, at this point for this season, I would think twice about Melo. In years past maybe, but the addition of Billups has switched this team’s mentality.
how much does situation count? did gasol matter when he played for memphis? he’s still the same player, just in a different situation. what about, say, replacing melo with durant in denver? (though durantula probably is still a year or two off) does that make durant matter?
and even if you are being generous…tmac?
by sleep research facility on Jan 21, 2009 7:41 AM CST reply actions
To piggy-back off that idea. Role players on bad teams could be very important on Championship contending teams. Shane Battier, Andrew Bogut, Paul Milsap, Andrei Kirelinko, Thadeous Young, Andris Beidrins, Marcus Camby…anyone of these players that don’t matter would push us from contender to front runner. Role players are huge.
by speedostuffer on Jan 21, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
They almost all make ridiculous money because though they’d be role players for us, they’re “stars” on their shitty teams.
by Aaronstampler on Jan 21, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
True. Battier is between 6-7 mill per year. Which is about double the salary of anybody who is not in the Big 3 on the Spurs. Young and Millsap are still on their rookie contracts. Everybody else makes as much or more than Manu.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 21, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Stunning
This is possibly the best post I have ever read on this sight. Not only because it made me feel better as a Spurs fan but the well timed name calling was stupendous.
What is the deal with agelessmate?! I’m a little bit shocked by the old farts trying to get us Spurs folks….I know our team is a little older and all, but come on!!
Very insightful post. I would only add (and I know that many won’t agree with this) that one Bruce Bowen has been another Spur who has really mattered during this decade. He is not the same player now that he was from ‘02-’07 , but he was a very key player during the last three championships, of course mainly b/c of what he brought to the defensive end. He consistently took on the opponents’ top perimeter player, and often shut them down. Bruce and TD were the keys to everything that the Spurs did defensively, and I don’t believe that “any other NBA schmoe” would have been the difference-maker that Bowen was. Sure, he’s offensively challenged, but who he was as a defensive player (plus his timely threes) made him more valuable than some of the other ‘matter’ players on your list (inc. some who are valuable only at the offensive end). The Spurs simply wouldn’t have had the same kind of success that they did from ‘03-’07 without Bowen.
so true man
Bowen definately was a major factor in our ’03, ’05, ’07 championships. A one Robert Horry will always have a place in my heart for his ’05 heroics.
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Jan 21, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
i have to agree that situation makes the most difference in basketball. for instance, last year’s list would have had baron davis on it. and i’m assuming you put hedo turkoglu on there because he’s turkish, not because he’s one of the golden difference makers. i ask you, who’s a better basketball player, allen iverson or hedo turkoglu. the correct answer is neither.
regarding situation, al jefferson could make this list on a better team with a better coach. josh smith may have been on this list if he hadn’t gotten hurt and joe johnson wasn’t so good.
simmons had a good column on this and talked about mike dantoni. in his SSOL system, steve nash became one of the all-time best point guards. this year, when he reverted to his dallas-years stats, he’s just another point guard. by contrast, chris duhon had 22 assists in one game for the knicks.
situation, in which there are too many factors to count, makes the most difference in basketball for an individual player. that’s why it’s so tough to get a good basketball team. not only are you looking for players that are greatly talented, their talents have to mesh with their teammates and their coach. amare should not be on this list because he will never mesh with his team.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
I suppose many names on the list and not on the list could be argued, and obviously situation factors into it, but I absolutely won’t budge on Turkoglu being on the list and his Turkishness has nothing little to do with it. The last couple of years he’s really taken his game to another level and has become almost an unguardable player, and very clutch as well. Plus he’s a decent rebounder and good passer.
He’s not as good as he was last year, but he’s got a better cast around him and Nelson has picked up the slack.
by Aaronstampler on Jan 21, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
i am amazed at how well he handles the ball att 6’10". really wish we saw this when he was with us.
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Jan 21, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Ok Stampler. I missed it the first couple times.
I was going to post a comment earlier with an obligatory “That’s What She Said” for your Manu caption.
I just now noticed that you snuck it in there in code. That’s quality, younger brother.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 21, 2009 1:56 PM CST reply actions
I have been PtR absent for a week and apparently missed a defensive resurgence (at least I hope it is). The defense for the Bulls and Pacers games (missed the Robert-cats) was much better, but those are not high quality teams. We’ll learn if Pop’s annual “we suck” rant constitutes a “defensive resurgence” when we play NJ and LA later this week.
On a slightly different note, I’ve been watching the Spurs for nearly 20 years and I have to say that it is a welcome change to be able to watch a team that can win a game with their offense, if you get my point. So many teams of the past were sunk in a game where they could not get stops. Because of the penetrating drivers (TP, Manu, Hill) and spot up shooters (Bonner, Mace, Fin, Imadoka, KT) and the post play of the Franchise, the Spurs can actually pull out a win like the Laker win without playing great defensively. Of course, the preference is “both” not either/or, but it goes almost back to the Gervin days to see a Spurs team that could score whenever it wanted to.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley
I love you..but
Rajon Rondo is not a guy that nearly matters.
Rajon Rondo playing on the golden state warriors would not matter. Playing for the kings he would not matter (though Kevin Martin certainly is close to mattering). Playing for the wizards he still wouldn’t matter.
Playing with Garnet Allen Pierce he is in the perfect storm.
The rest of it I ate up like curry to a pisshead.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
Unrelated note on Bobcats game
I wrote this on the comments to Linix’s recap, but I’ll repost it here because it’s on the main page…
Does anyone else remember that play, I think in the 3rd quarter where Diaw and Manu were fighting over a loose ball in the right baseline corner and Diaw eventually out-tapped Manu for it but wound up on the floor for his trouble?
He basically just got up, full barrel charged right into Manu and knocked him ass over tea kettle to draw an offensive foul. I was shocked not more was made out of this. It was as flagrant as flagrant fouls get. He was mad at Manu for God knows what (Gino probably gave him a sneaky elbow or something) and retaliated immediately.
The dumbshit announcers were praising Diaw for his hustle and even raising the possibility of a Manu flop when the replay of the sequence was being shown, and then it was like their truck finally saw Diaw’s two hand shove and screamed "ABORT!! ABORT!!!" into the announcer’s ears while simultaneously deciding NOT to show the remainder of the clip to the audience.
I think later at the game they re-showed the first half of the play to again praise Diaw for his scrappiness and hustle, but not the second half. It just abruptly cuts off. How lame.
I’m still amazed Diaw didn’t get a technical or a flagrant foul on the play. Did the refs just assume a French guy can’t possibly be violent?
i saw this also
i must have been on the phone or something when it happened live, which is likely why i dont remember swearing aloud at the time. i wasnt on the live blog either.
diaw definitely deserved something more than just an offensive foul. he pretty much locked his eyes onto manu’s chest upon gathering himself and performed the bull-rush technique. i dont discount that manu may have given him the sneaky elbow, but i didnt pick thatr up on the replay.
i also thought it was funny that we never saw that second part of the reply again.
i chalk it up to that bullshit that sometimes doesnt get caught by the zebras in (insert name of sport here).
82games.com has some great sortable team shooting stats. Compare the Lakers and the Spurs. San Antonio is second to last in percentage of shots that are inside shots (26) as well as average points scored by inside shots (26.0). 36 of the Lakers’ shots are inside shots and they also average about 36 points from inside shots.
73% of San Antonio’s shots are jump shots whereas 62% of the Lakers’ shots are jump shots. The percentages on 82 games don’t add to 100 (or either I can’t add to 100). San Antonio shoots .401 from 3 and .420 2 pt. jump shots. L.A. shoots .383 from 3 and .420 2 pt. jump shots. But S.A. averages 56.4 pts while L.A. averages 50.4 pts off jump shots.
The Lakers take about 1 less 3 per possession than the Spurs (1 for every 4 shots for San Antonio; 1 for every 5 shots for LA).
To keep from boring you, what I take away from this is that San Antonio should let Kobe be Kobe and keep Bynum from getting the ball.
ding ding ding!
There’s a post on Forum Blue & Gold(yea, I stalk watch the competition’s blogs) called something liek “blueprint for beating the Lakers”. That was actually the defensive strategy laid out, and I couldn’t agree more.
Obviously on offense, we either need to make those outside shots, or drive into the paint and cause chaos for their defensive sets.
on occasion I post there, but more of a lurker. There’s a few people I respect there, and many I don’t.
by Aaronstampler on Jan 22, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
oh I'm with ya there
I love it how timvp disagrees with tony parker on who parker thinks is his toughest matchup. Apparently he knows parker better than park knows himself. Anyway, do you have an e-mail I can contact you at?
um, sure. It’s aaronlukestampler@yahoo.com
::pleasebepayingjobpleasebepayingjobpleasebepayingjob::
by Aaronstampler on Jan 22, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
On another note
Does anyone else think Jeff Foster is Billy Zane’s taller better rebounding twin brother?
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
Nelson > Calderon. This year at least.
Jose Calderon – PER (18.86), ORtg (123), DRtg (118)
Jameer Nelson – PER (21.13), ORtg (122), DRtg (103)
Both PER & ORtg are fairly true representations of how efficient a player is offensively. DRtg is tough because it’s influenced a bit by a team’s output defensively. It’s no surprise Calderon’s DRtg takes a hit given the pathetic defense Toronto is playing this season, while Nelson’s DRtg is solid because of Orlando is 3rd in defensive efficiency this year.
Anyways, it’s worth pointing out for argument’s sake.
Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
The one game I miss, and Manu goes off like this. If I were a superstitious man, I’d be worried about the negative effect I have on My Main Man Manu.
Unfortunately, I really am a superstitious man.
I also think Bosh and Calderon don’t belong in that list, but that’s a dead horse that’s already been beaten. I mostly agree with what you said, but I still believe you’re undervaluing the importance of a team’s role players. Basically you answered our question “You say the other players matter?” with “If we had other role players you’d love them too”, which isn’t really the same.
Of course we’d love any other players if they wore Spurs jerseys and were at all productive. Thing is, with the right supporting cast we don’t need our three difference-makers playing at the top of their potential every night, and that’s true in the playoffs too. It sure made a difference to have Horry in the mix in that one game in Detroit, as I’m sure you remember, and at the other end of the spectrum, it definitely helped the Lakers to have Fisher in for that last shot back then. It’s not the same to have Kerr taking a buzzer beater three pointer against Utah that Finley or some other guy.
Mason and Hill improve our chances of winning the championship this year, regardless of our Big Three. I think Timmy, Tony and Manu will keep us relevant for a few more years, but it’s the other players can also win or lose a championship for us.

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