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Spurs Sign Roger Mason

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http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/07/jeff_mcdonald_s_10.html

7.5 mil over 2 years...i guess this is the best we can do..and i assume this puts us out of the running for jr smith/childress..im glad they decided to actually sign somebody, but if this is the ceiling, probably not great

everyones thoughts on this? good? bad? so-so?

oh and where does he fit in minutes wise?

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I don’t think he is worth that much.

by Linix129 on Jul 9, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t really know anything about him. A look at his stats for the year are promising.

He shot 40% from 3’s attempting 4 per game. And he shot 87% from the line. They list him as a point guard, so he’s a big one at 6’5” 200 pounds.

And hey, he’s only 27.

by AusTechSpur on Jul 9, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, he averaged 17.4 a game when gilbert and daniels were out with their injuries, and hes deadly from 3-range

but i was reading this article saying that he made like 770k on a 1 year deal last year, and his asking price was expected to go up to 2 mil…and we are giving him wayyyyyyyyy more than that..

i think this contract is largely a move from a panicking front office..cause thats a lot of money

by codyunderblood on Jul 9, 2008 6:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very good signing at this point. He was on my “best roster possible” that I posted earlier today.

He’s a big combo guard who is athletic and can score in bunches. He is also a fiery competitor. I think he is worth the money but it is too bad they couldn’t have gotten him for less. He is better than J.R. Smith and most people wouldn’t be surprised if Smith got the MLE.

It would be great if there were enough left over for Azubuike, but that is probably a pipe dream now.

by VWolf on Jul 9, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you’re right about that ‘better than Smith’ stuff. We’ll soon know, since the savior of our dynasty carries the name “Roger.”

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 9, 2008 8:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So-So signing in my estimation. He can shoot no doubt, the Spurs need some guys that can run and jump. Good-bye Findog? Hello Azuibuke?

It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin

by DennardC on Jul 9, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven’t given up on Azuibuike yet. The Warriors might not be able to afford him if they sign Turiaf and I’m surprised he’s on nobody’s radar. C’mon Pop, make an offer. The worst that can happen is they’ll say no.

by Aaronstampler on Jul 9, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right on...

...keep tryin’. I’m glad they signed somebody, and Mason can hit the 3, but I’m hoping he’s not one of those “contract year” players.

by Gino20 on Jul 9, 2008 7:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turiaf would likely mean no KT for the Spurs

Word around the campfire is the Lakers would push hard for Thomas if they dont match Turiafs offer….I dont watch much ACC bball, but Gist has gotta be able to do what Turiaf does right? sometime down the road anyhow….I want Thomas back though

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 9, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, but I'm not as calm as you guys

So let me understand this…..

We signed a guy who I’ve barely heard of and who was the THIRD string guard on the Washington Wizards for more than he’s worth and effectively took ourselves out of the Childress/JR sweepstakes, and now we’re hanging on the slim dream/hope that even Azubuike will come to San Antonio and play for $75 and a Taco Cabana gift card?? This offseason just keeps getting better folks.

Sweet.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 9, 2008 7:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nicely played.

Or as Pau would say, “El playo niceo.”

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 9, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Taco Cabana gift card? Man, that’s harsh.

by AusTechSpur on Jul 9, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

george mason would be a dumbass not to take a TC gift card. awesome drunk food

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on Jul 10, 2008 12:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was actually thinking about this tonight, wondering how long it would take someone to say “George Mason.” Because it’s likely I’m just going to be lumping both of the two players together and referring to them as GM1 and GM2 all year.

Congratulations Hamer, you were the pioneer.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 10, 2008 12:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

George Mason played in the Final Four in ‘06. Now we have added George and Mason to the roster.
....To the FINAL FOUR….AND BEYOND!!!!! ... (in ‘09)

by Gino20 on Jul 10, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now we just need to scour the ranks of the D-League to sign a Bob Florida, Ja’maal Ucla, and Saleem Lcu and we’ll be unstoppable.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn, i had just gotten back from a rangers game all boozed up. guess i didn’t read it too clearly, those $7 beers got me good.

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on Jul 10, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mid Leve Exception

I could be wrong, but i dont think that counts against the cap, so perhaps that can be used on a guy like Smith or Azubuike, its around what 5.8 million?

So if they can get on of those guys, then perhaps Mason takes Barrys spot and another FA takes Finleys place?

I wouldnt mind one of those two coming back, preferably Barry….but this Mason signing doesnt exactly fill me with confidence.

Again, say it with me,
DAMN YOU, TIAGO!

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We had as much chance of winning the Childress sweepstakes as we would have to win the Publishers Clearing house.

If this means we don’t get J.R. Smith, and it probably does, then I am very glad we got Mason instead. He can score just about as well but he can also distribute. Check out their assist to turnover ratios. Mason is also a money from the freethrow line.

by VWolf on Jul 10, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JRs value is different

hes a SG, so his assist to turnover ratio isnt as important, and hes younger, incredibly talented and extremely athletic….so my vote wouldve been for him b/c he can actually bring a new dynamic to the team and gives them another wing player who could create his own shot and hit the three.

I just gotta think this signing means one of finley or barry wont be back, in which case, who fills those slots?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 10, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep, thats pretty much it..

the only reason im calm is because at least we have a few more options than finley..but this signing is a little baffling for a few reasons

we’re not getting our 2 guard that can attack the basket and jump, that we need..and also, if you look at roger masons career numbers..this is a lot of money to be given a guy who got hot with big name players injuried..before this season hes had very minimal NBA experience, and spent about 2 years over in europe..

i highly doubt we get azubuike at this point also

by codyunderblood on Jul 9, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here is a little more information on the deal, including some quotes from mason

by codyunderblood on Jul 9, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

espn has Kurt Thomas at the top of their “Best Available Free Agents” in the unrestricted section. So think about how depressing that is. Kurt Thomas is the BEST we can do.

by AusTechSpur on Jul 9, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hello Championship!

You gotta be kidding me, why not just use marcus williams

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 9, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as far as alleged athletic additions this seems to be in the same class with the Cisco Elson Experiment

If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.

by Windex40 on Jul 9, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

Hey. He’s not old.

by sungo on Jul 9, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bullet points from this Wizards fan

zing

In no particular order

-If you’re big on the off-court stuff, Mason is about a good a guy as you’ll find in the NBA. Never gets into trouble, unassuming, great teammate, etc. etc. In that way, he fits in perfectly with the Spurs.

-One thing nobody’s mentioning here is that Mason played as much point as he did on the wing last year. He’s not much of a passer, but he also won’t turn the ball over as much. Besides being a two-guard, he could also back up Parker at the point. Judging from how much Jacque Vaughn draws your collective ire, that has to be a positive.

-There’s something to be said about whether last season is a fluke, but if it isn’t, dude’s a lights-out spot-up shooter, which should bode well playing with Duncan. As long as he’s given good shots, he’s a downtown assassin. We’ve dubbed him the “Potomac Rainmaker” on Bullets Forever

-A part of me wonders whether he’ll be as successful outside the Princeton offense, which simplified his role to being a spot-up shooter that could dribble the ball to half court. If he was asked to do more ball-handling, it might hurt him, but at the same time, how much does Vaughn handle the ball?

-He has a somewhat annoying tendency of shooting contested pull-up 20-footers off pick and rolls.

Overall, his price is more expensive than I expected, but he’s going to help you guys out. He didn’t fit in D.C. because Gilbert Arenas is coming back, plus we needed the room to give minutes to Nick Young. In San Antonio, though, he can play both guard positions, which is big because, without Barry, who’s there behind Parker and Ginobili (I say Ginobili’s name figuratively, as I realize Mason might technically start). He doesn’t solve the athleticism problem, but he can still be a decent asset.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 9, 2008 10:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s awesome. Awesome that you not only came to calm us down, but awesomer that you’ve obviously been reading or have been here before. Good to have you around.

You made some good points and I think helped many of us off the ledge. It’s nice to hear your perspective as someone who actually knows who Mason is.

The question I’m dying to know the answer to though, and the question by which our frustration hinges around…...
(Assuming SA actually could have landed any of the following) If you could rank as a Washington fan these options in order of excitement level for you and your team. Which, in order, of these players would you most want if given the opportunity? What about as a SPURS fan? Smith/Childress/Azubuike/Mason/etc.

The point I’m going towards, and I guess even looking for your validation on, is that it’s not that we’re scared Mason himself will kill us or be worthless. It’s that there were other better and wiser options for San Antonio.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 9, 2008 10:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only truly realistic one was Azubuike

Smith and Childress are both restricted free agents. If you sign them, you have to hope that Atlanta and Denver don’t match. My guess is that both teams would have done that, though you never know considering Atlanta’s issues with Josh Smith and the way J.R. Smith has bounced around the league.

Both are obviously better than Mason. But they also would have cost more, and there’s nothing close to a guarantee that you could grab them. At least with Maggette, there’s the play-for-a-championship-contender angle. He could have taken less to play with the Spurs. With Smith and Childress, if their home teams match an offer for the full MLE, they’re gone. No chance.

Azubuike probably would have helped more than Mason, because he can hit the three and he also rebounds well. He’s mostly a spot-up guy, FWIW, but he is more athletic. The benefit with Roger is twofold. First off, he’s likely cheaper than Azubuike, who I bet gets someone’s mid-level (though maybe not anymore). Secondly, Mason can back up Parker, while Azubuike’s really only good to play the shooting guard position.

I dunno. Mason isn’t perfect, but expecting one MLE-level guy to solve all the problems you’re talking about seems a little far fetched.

A better argument against Mason, IMO, is his price. Would he have really received that much money anywhere else? The Wizards, maybe, but they only have about 3.4 million under the luxury tax. Maybe they were prepared to offer it all to Mason, but otherwise, it seems like the Spurs might have been bidding against themselves. They could have filled two holes with the MLE, but now, they might not have enough to do so.

Just my 0.02

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Exactly. And it’s the reasoning behind me not getting fully behind this deal. I couldn’t help but think as you were describing the situation (“the Spurs might have been bidding against themselves”), that it sounded somewhat similar to our draft. It’s kinda funny, but we pretty much did that by drafting Curious George Hill too. Nobody had even heard of him and we likely could have gotten him in the 2nd AND taken Giddens, Arthur or CDR in the 1st, while better addressing our most pressing needs.

We’re all hoping that Atlanta doesn’t match the MLE with Childress (I know, unlikely) and Denver doesn’t with Smith either (actually very likely). And I still think Azubuike wouldn’t have been difficult to land, and would have worked well since we really don’t need a Parker back-up (see: Curious George draft and the JV).

I guess my biggest concern is that we overpayed for a player who doesn’t fit our most glaring deficiencies. I’m hoping against all hope that Mason didn’t simply shine last year because it was a contract year for an Eastern team. And I’m hoping that he grows 2-3 inches and becomes athletic too.

Thanks for the input.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 9, 2008 11:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the Win...

SiMA is actually the first person besides me to use the nickname for Hill that I invented… I want a quarter…

by scrappy-doo on Jul 10, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s a good name. I’m going to vacilate between that and ‘George Mason’ many times this year. Since I was on the CDR bandwagon, calling him CGH makes me feel a little better too.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 10, 2008 2:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m surprised he’s the first. It seems like it was used more commonly here (but I guess it was used commonly only by Scrappy-doo). By the way, isn’t “Scrappy-doo” the name we gave Chris Paul on this here site?

by Gino20 on Jul 10, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep!

i figured if I’m going to mix intelligent, heartfelt posts with belligerent, drunken, and otherwise completely obnoxious ranting, then what better nickname?

by scrappy-doo on Jul 10, 2008 5:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 to the part about giving us some good scoop. thanks for the rundown.

by bones on Jul 10, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t hate it. He has the potential to be a nice surprise. I’m interested in seeing how many minutes he’ll get.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Jul 9, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see where you’re going, and can jump on that thought process as well. But I’m terrified that the other side of the potential happens, and he ends up being another JV but without the glamor and flare, all while Smith flourishes somewhere like Boston and Childress shines in LA. And potentially Azubuike breaks out wherever he ends up.

by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 9, 2008 10:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate it

This is not what the team needed, they still havent addressed the biggest need, which is an athletic swingman, preferably a starter.

I just dont get, even if Mason works out, its still a medicore signing b/c hes no more than a role player, they need an impact 2/3 who can start and make Manu a true sixth man.

And if the spurs are gearing up for the 2010 offseason, I dont know what to think, the current nucleus will be over the hill by then, with the exception of parker.

This just seems like another guy whos gonna ride the pine, contributing very little.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 9, 2008 11:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i feel...

...incredibly indifferent about it.

meh.

by sleep research facility on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm surprised at you guys...

Everyone is so disappointed that the Spurs didn’t sign an “athletic swingman.” The way I see it, this year’s Spurs were vulnerable to two things: being outrebounded, and going cold from the perimeter. The “athletic swingman” doesn’t help with either.

An athletic, active 3/4 combo guy, like Malik Rose back in the day, or Carl Landry/Paul Millsap et al today, could address the rebounding issue. Who knows, maybe this guy they drafted will come in and help immediately, like Millsap and Landry did. Those guys were also lightly regarded late second round picks.

I don’t think they desperately need someone who can create his own shot; Timmy, Manu, and Tony are plenty good at that, and at least two of them will be on the court together. Besides, if one of those guys go down, the Spurs aren’t winning a championship anyways.

What they need are guys who can shoot from the outside without being total liabilities on the other end. As presently constructed, the Spurs had too many players who could only contribute on one end of the court (Bonner, Bones on O, JV, Bruce on D) or neither end (Fin, Horry).

Getting a guy who by all accounts plays good defense, can handle the rock, and is a good shooter is a great move. Who knows, he may be more useful for the team than Maggette, who might have spaced out on D and fought with Tony and Manu for the ball on offense, would have been.

Did they pay too much? Maybe, but it’s not like they gave him $5 million for many years. They overpaid by at most 500K-1 million (though we don’t know what other suitors he had), and if it’s a total mistake, the contract only lasts two years.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on Jul 10, 2008 8:33 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

i'm on board with you

i don’t think this is as bad as some are making it out to be. and i pretty much agree with everything you said. what killed against the lakers, even with MANU hurt, was them getting offensive rebounds, or our lack of getting the defensive rebounds – athletic swingman…no help there. against both NO and LA, lots of bricks from 3-land – athletic swingman…if he could shoot the rock, then yes he could help, but being “athletic” doesn’t solve that problem. yes it would be great to have a young, athletic player on the wing to help us out, but i don’t think that was our biggest downfall. i’m in with tomasito.

by znimrod on Jul 10, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There just wasn’t anybody else left. Childress was a pipedream at this point and Mason could easily fit in with the Spurs better than J.R. Smith.

I have no problem with this pickup. I am still irritated by the draft however. Now that we have another guy who can run the point, it makes the fact that we passed on some athletic wings all the more puzzling.

by VWolf on Jul 10, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 10, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say it’s a bad signing, but it’s not especially exciting. We signed a role player. Someone who would be expected to be or 6th-11th best player. Let’s say an 8th man. That’s why no one is jumping up and down for joy, but hey, if we expect a star/semistar to sign for the MLE, it prolly ain’t gon’ happen.

by Gino20 on Jul 10, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m working my way toward trying to like the move. like C$$$$, i dont hate it. mason is a role player which is what the spurs can really afford, or expect to get the way this off-season has played out so far. he also seems to do the things our teams desires. chilldress, smith, azbook or whomever else are also role players of similar ilk. we can/will debate on which was the better move until halloween, but im gonna try to do my best and reserve judgement until about christmas-time.

the bad part about this deal is that we might not have had to reserve judgement with a splashier name like maggette.

by bones on Jul 10, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Link

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA.071008.1C.BKN.Spurs.Mason.en.3d67a29f.html

a little more info on the deal.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 10, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

article on Mason and luxury tax relief
the final line includes these words ”...the Spurs improved slightly without breaking the bank.”
(Well, that’s my interpretation of it, anyway)

by Gino20 on Jul 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, I’ve been reading reports that the Spurs have offered Carlos Delfino a deal. Barnes, Landry, and Azibuike are still out there waiting on an offer.

This offseason isn’t done people.

I actually like the Mason signing. He averaged 17.4 as a starter (!!!) and is a solid shooter who can put the ball down on the floor and a good defender.

i hope vujacic gets hit by a truck hauling stray cats that claw his eyes out before using his skull as a brood den.--kalone

by JamesR on Jul 10, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Delfino is intriguing. I’d bet playing with Manu would help his game tremendously.

It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin

by DennardC on Jul 10, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m Argentine, and have watched him play for years. Trust me, Delfino’s no good. He has one Manuish game and 5 mediocre-to-bad games. That’s what he’s always been: perpetual potential, and nothing more.

I’m so underwhelmed about this signing. Who is this guy?

by LatinD on Jul 10, 2008 9:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just because we haven’t heard of this guy doesn’t mean he’s not any good. My buddy who lives in DC and watches the Wiz says that this guy can play when given the opportunity. As JamesR pointed out above, he averaged 17.4 ppg as a starter.

I do agree with you about Delfino, though. Because he’s not from the US, you assume that he can shoot, has a good feel for the game, etc. Really, he seems to fit the stereotype of the clueless American player: good athlete, can play defense, but not a real high basketball IQ.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on Jul 11, 2008 6:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can only hope you’re right.

by LatinD on Jul 11, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem with this signing is the timing of it all. We go and court Maggette for a week, lose out, and then the first signing is some no name for the Wizards. It doesn’t look good at all.

I’m understand not going after Childress or Smith. Those players would demand the whole MLE and even then theres a chance their teams would match. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.

My biggest beef is what the hell did this guy do to earn 3 to 4 million a year?? Seriously with Barry gone to Houston, the rest of the MLE better go another worthwhile guard. And not Carlos freakin’ Delfino.

by r21x on Jul 10, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to the HoopsHype scouting write-up, this is what they say about Mason:

Position: SG
Born: 9/10/80
Height: 6-5 / 1,96
Weight: 200 lbs. / 90,7 kg.
College: Virginia ‘03

A combo guard… Can create off the dribble… Nice jump shot… Good vision of the court… Makes no mistake from the charity stripe… Not a great athlete.

Wow! Sounds like we signed Brent Barry without the humor…

by Travis1310 on Jul 11, 2008 2:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At twice the cost

This offseason isnt really inspiring me with confidence at all….they better sign Chris Bosh 2 years from now

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 11, 2008 11:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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