Ron Artest Traded to Rockets
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3510261
Multiple media outlets reported on Tuesday that the Sacramento Kings had agreed to trade the forward to the Rockets.
The Houston Chronicle reported that the Kings would receive Bobby Jackson, a No. 1 draft pick in 2009 and another player that the newspaper's source could not identify. KRIV television in Houston reported that the Kings will also receive cash.
Pack it up fellow Spurs fans, we will not be winning the west this year with the Big 3 plus the poo poo platter, not with the way the rest of the conference has improved.
Bobby Jackson, a 2009 first rounder and a player to be named later? Are you kidding me, thats all they got? The Spurs surely couldve done just as well.
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by sungo on
Jul 29, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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+ draft rights to D. Greene and a wad of cash. And that “future first rounder” always looks minute until you dramatically need the pick this time next year. “Building for now” doesn’t work unless you’re Boston, they’ll pay for this move….mark my words.
No worries. McGrady is Sammy L. in Unbreakable and Yao is still an overrated question mark. They’re gonna be tougher, but don’t we say that every year?! Give me one actual full year of them playing injury-free successful ball and I’ll be concerned. This doesn’t faze me and shouldn’t you either; no reason to jump from the bridge just yet.
It does however again beg the argument that we could have done better than George Mason. It seems that we’re content to stand pat (Sorry Roger. No, I didn’t forget you) while others around us improve significantly. This move only increased my hope for Air Gist, nothing more.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Jul 29, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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So if Houston traded a box of Whoppers for Kevin Garnett would you then be sure Air Gist is the Second Coming?
by sungo on
Jul 29, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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I say there is about zero chance that the Rockets make it through this season whole.
If the Spurs equation for a title looks like: .9A* .9B * .9C * .8D <=> Championship
Where:
A = Tim’s health
B = Manu’s health
C = Bowen’s health
D = Tony’s health
Then the Rockets chances have to be something like .2YaoHealth * .3McGradyHealth * .25ArtestSanity * their point guard is still Rafer Alston.
by AusTechSpur on
Jul 29, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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ATS’ formula / .7TheInfluenceofCommunistChina + .4TheLockerRoomMorale&LeadershipofBones
by SgtinManusArmy on
Jul 29, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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Depends. Do we still have Horry under that hypothetical? Cause if we do, we OWN a Houston KG.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Jul 29, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
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They have a new NBA commercial out that says...
The Houston Rockets…where first-round playoff fodder happens.
I don’t see too much change with the Rockets. Maybe 2nd round at best. But that means they have to advance further than either SAS, UTA, NOOCH or LAL (along with the “darkhorses,” PHX, DAL, POR, DEN, LAC, GS)
by Gino20 on
Jul 30, 2008 12:25 AM CDT
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Artest is a good player, but I wonder how he’ll fit in. Do you play him at the three over Shane Battier? Battier provides roughly equivalent defense and superior three point shooting to space the floor for Yao and T-Mac. Do you play him at the four rather than Scola and Landry? I think Scola is a better player at that position, and Artest has never been a hustle/energy guy the way Landry is.
Artest has a history of pouting when he’s not The Man offensively. He’ll be no better than number three behind Yao and T-Mac… not a great recipe for his keeping his sanity. Plus, I don’t know that Houston has the same strong institutional culture that the Spurs do, so I worry about them keeping him in line.
I have to disagree about Skip to My Lou, though. For much of his career he’s been erratic, but he seemed to turn a corner last year. He was instrumental in their 20+ game win streak, and was a big reason they lost the first couple of playoff games. They were a different team when he came back.
I also have to disagree with the assessment of the Spurs as the “Big 3 plus the Poo Poo Platter.” Roger Mason and Kurt Thomas are effective players who would get minutes for most teams. Mahinmi would have been a lottery pick had he entered the draft this year. Matt Bonner, well, ummm…never mind. The jury’s still out on Gist and Hill, though I suspect they’ll turn out to be effective as well.
In short, I think Artest will be useful for Houston defensively against certain matchups, smallish scoring 4’s like David West or Elton Brand. He might be effective using his strength against Amare Stoudemire. Other than that, though, I don’t see him helping Houston as much as some might think.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
by tomasito on
Jul 30, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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As long as Artest can maintain some semblance of sanity, Floppier goes to the bench. Shane shoots a decent 3 point percentage (about even with Ron last season), but that’s because he mostly takes wide open spot up threes (a la Bowen). Artest is a true playmaker who can score inside, outside, and pass. I also believe that Artest is a superior defender. Battier just does not have his lateral quickness.
This all comes down to Artest’s mental state, and since this is a contract year, I would bet that he will be able to keep those demons at bay so that he can showcase his talents on a playoff team.
If Artest does decide to play nice, then this definitely improves the Rockettes. It gives them a triple threat that will be very tough to defend. Each of Yao, McGrady, or Artest can score at will on most NBA defenders if not doubled. Also, on defense Yao and Artest are always tough to score on.
The supporting cast is also not too shabby. Scola is an effective low post scorer and rebounder (Yao can clean up his mistakes on D). Rafer Alston is OK, and his negatives can be masked by playing with a formidable big three. The bench looks nice as well. Landry provides athleticism and rebounding. Barry is there to knock down the big three and to make plays. Battier will be a nice bench threat and since he is a former starter he could easily step back into the starting lineup if/when injury makes it necessary.
As others have mentioned though, McGrady and Yao are both fragile players. Since I do believe Artest will behave in order to obtain a huge contract, I see the injury threat as the Rockets biggest obstacle to becoming a true contender. You never know with injuries though. They might just play the whole season, or they might just be healthy in time for playoffs. If so, lookout.
by VWolf on
Jul 30, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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Well.
Theyve got Artest and Mr. Battier! (dickie v voice) to create multiple headaches for manu.
Im just not sold on this supporting cast-I think there are great odds Mahinmi scuttles the first few weeks and then is banished to the bench. KT contributes little to nothing on offense, granted he has a nice mid range for a guy his size, but age is creeping up fast and Manus Beijing trip wont help matters any.
I guess now that the Kings got Greenes draft rights, the deal is a bit better for the Kings. But I just dont see the Spurs offseason upgrading the team at all, at best its a lateral move, which would mean not winning the West.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Jul 30, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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The story is they will play him as an athletic, shooting 4 (read in Houston Chronicle last night), as Adelman did in Sac, with hopes that he can still muscle the Odoms and Aldridges of the world, but create quickness matchup difficulties for them at the other end. Of course, that moves Scola to the bench more and gives them a pretty solid second unit (with Landry, Barry, Head). But they are backup point guard-less, I think (do they still have Mike James?)
The John Hollinger article on this on ESPN raises an interesting point: that Houston was about the only team Artest could have gone to where he improves the offense as much as the defense. Not sure I agree with that. To me, it means the free-flowing Adelman offense now has 3 “sticky hands” guys who don’t move the ball. But it certainly does give them a decent 3rd offensive option, which prior to the trade, I would have said was a certain former 3-point shooting Spur.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley
by spurchief on
Jul 30, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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RE: The Rockets' backup PG sitchy-ashun
They have the venerable Steve Francis and youngster Aaron Brooks
RE: the comment “a decent 3rd offensive option, which prior to the trade, I would have said was a certain former 3-point shooting Spur.”
You mean Scola shoots threes?
by Gino20 on
Jul 30, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
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I am not sure if you were joking but Brent Barry is a Rocket.
by VWolf on
Jul 30, 2008 10:56 PM CDT
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Too early to judge
IMO. What is it July? Championships aren’t won in July, Artest will go batshit crazy at some point and screw it up for the Rockets.
It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin
by DennardC on
Jul 30, 2008 12:41 PM CDT
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I don't think the Spurs could have pulled off a similar trade for Artest
Bobby Jackson makes close to 7 million with 1 year left on his contract. The Spurs don’t have anyone like that on the roster. They would have had to trade Bowen (2 years at 4 million per year) and Bonner (2 years at 3 million per year). While that would have been a good trade for the Spurs, I really doubt Sacto would do that. Bobby Jackson is a former King who is well liked in Excremento and who will have a role as the backup PG. Bonner and Bowen would likely not fit in.
BTW, I wonder if the Kings will waive Kenny Thomas? If so, the Spurs should look into picking him up. He could provide some rebounding, post moves, and toughness off the bench.
by VWolf on
Jul 30, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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not a bad thought on kenny thomas if he comes cheap, but that move would mean the spurs aren’t looking at yawn and air gist too much.
bumping scola to the bench is a mistake. particularly in favor of ron artest. you go from ball movement, offensive flow and crafty scoring to that “sticky hands” black hole of a post up guy.
i firmly believe that yao will win more than a title or two before his career is done. once he figures out the NBA game, he gonna be a bitch to deal with. and those guys look really really good on paper. i mean, they have all the peices – but it is just paper.
IMHO, the bigger problem with the rockets is trying to get mcgrady on the same page with everyone else. when he’s on, lookout. but when he’s not, he will flat kill you. if that guy had half of manu’s desire or kobe’s focus, the rocks might have won one already.
now they have went and added the one ingredient that could poison the whole pie.
by bones on
Jul 31, 2008 8:12 AM CDT
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Speaking of poisoning the pie
You have this article from the wolrd wide pimper of Nascar.
Some of my favorite quotes:
“I understand what Yao said, but I’m still ghetto,” Artest said, according to the report. “That’s not going to change. I’m never going to change my culture. Yao has played with a lot of black players, but I don’t think he’s ever played with a black player that really represents his culture as much as I represent my culture. Once Yao Ming gets to know me, he’ll understand what I’m about.
“We’ve still got to make sure there’s still a commitment [from the Rockets],” Artest said, according to the Bee. “That’s the main thing, is to make sure there’s still a commitment. When I speak to the powers-that-be of the Houston Rockets’ organization, we’re going to find out how much they really want me there. We’ll find out. I’m still waiting to find out if this is just a trade or if this is like a long-term commitment-type thing. I haven’t spoken to anybody yet. I’m still waiting.”
“I guess once Yao Ming approves [the deal], I’ll be a Houston Rocket,” Artest said, according to the report. “[Yao] probably should’ve called me first. But at the same time, it’s Yao Ming’s team.”“Whatever Yao Ming wants me to do, I’ll be there. Whatever Tracy McGrady tells me to do, that’s how it’s going to go down. Ultimately, whatever [Rockets] coach Rick Adelman tells me to do is exactly what I’m going to do.”
by AusTechSpur on
Jul 31, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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aint nothin’ wrong with pimpin’ NASCAR
by znimrod on
Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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Artest just insulted his race...
...with this comment:
I don’t think he’s ever played with a black player that really represents his culture as much as I represent my culture
If Artest were the prototype for any race…yikes!
by Gino20 on
Jul 31, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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Well, I’d never hope for an injury. That’s not me. Besides, I like the Rockets. Or rather, I did, before they got Mr. Psycho. Shit. I can’t root for a team with Yao, T-Mac, Scola and Barry? WTF. Thanks a lot Darryl Morey or whatever their GM’s name is.
What was my point?
Oh yeah.
Since I can’t root for injuries, it seems as if I will have to root for Artest destroying the team from within because on paper they are freakin’ loaded.
by Aaronstampler on
Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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I find it funny...
That Yao and Luis Scola text each other. I wonder if they made up their own language, some kind of hybrid Mandarin-Spanish-English-OMG/LOL texting abbreviations language. The fact that they texted each other must also mean that they’re buddies. It would be awesome to tag along for a night on the town with those two.
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by tomasito on
Aug 1, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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