Goodbye to the Sonics
I grew up in San Antonio, and have been a Spurs fan my whole recollected life. I lived in Seattle from 2001 to 2007. I watched a lot of Sonics games because I enjoyed watching basketball and I, at the time, could not afford League Pass. I never rooted for the Sonics. It's not that I disliked them, but I already had a team, and my team was good.
I saw probably a 10 basketball games in Key Arena. I have seen two or three games at the new Spurs arena. As a fan, there is no contest. Key Arena is by far the better place to see a game. It's not even close. The Seattle venue is small, quaint even, and the worst seats in the house offer a decent view; you're never far from the action. I used to live within walking distance of the arena, and it is in an amazing location. You can take a 3 minute monorail ride to downtown, yet there's still ample street parking available. The area streets are safe and teaming with good restaurants serving all sorts of food. The arena itself is nestled in the Seattle Center, with plenty of wide open meeting spaces... you are in the middle of the city, but it's not cramped.
AT&T Center, or whatever it's called, is new. The upper deck seats feel like the upper deck. It's dropped between the Freeman Coliseum and a golf course. There's nothing within walking distance except for a chance for a good mugging.
The whole thing makes me sad. Key Arena, the supposed reason why the Sonics are Oklahoma City bound, is a wonderful place to be a fan. But it's a horrible place to be an owner. That's why Stern moved the team; so his rich friends could get richer. I realize I am just pointing out the obvious here. All I can do is be yet another voice declaring this whole affair was an affront and insult to the fans of Seattle and the fans of the NBA.
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right on about the AT&T Center
I really don’t like that the Spurs moved out of downtown. This is one of the truly great missteps I’ve seen with the organization itself. The team has gotten some grief on the internets for the difficulty they seem to have in selling out playoff games. But honestly, it sucks going out there. They used to fill up the much larger dome and I think a big part of that was the fact that you could pre and/or post party on the riverwalk. Now its drive-in drive-out. The facility itself is a little less personal than even the retro-fitted dome, and much less so than the old hemisfair arena. I know it was ultimately a business decision, with the better deal offered by the county, but I wonder if it isn’t possibly hurting their bottom line more than anticipated….
oh well, its kinda a moot point anyway. Key Arena sounds awesome. I need to visit seattle some time, it sounds like a really cool city.
by man or pac-man? on Jul 2, 2008 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disappointed with Spurs ownership
Personally, I am disappointed in the Spurs ownership for voting for the move. Yes, the team in OKC means less long flights and fewer Pacific Time Zone games, which are good for the players and good for me.
However, it feels like if in 10 years the Spurs have had a run of bad luck and their ticket sales aren’t great, there is a chance that we could lose them overnight. Not a “no effing way, but maybe somehow” chance, but a “Yeah, I can see that happening” chance. It makes me sad.
Having just spent 6 days in Seattle, where my in-laws live, I feel their pain. Good luck, Seattle, I hope you get a team back. (And for a bit of schadenfreude, I hope Sam Presti squanders the salary cap and roster of the Oklahoma Turdwrestlers, leaving them with a terrible team for years to come).
by Zantox on Jul 3, 2008 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The cities aren’t even comparable because Seattle is so much better. It’s ridiculous.
Auf Wiedersehn Sonics.
by Linix129 on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!
Don’t come dissing SA like that. Not cool.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
by tomasito on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although maybe you meant OKC vs. Seattle. In that case, all is forgiven.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
by tomasito on Jul 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Seattle is a better city imo than SA too…
by Linix129 on Jul 3, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it just sets a bad precedent...
For as much as Bennett wanted to make himself seem like the one who was wronged, the bottom line is that he ripped away memories that people had. Those are things that you can’t put a price on. I’m young, so I can’t vouch for those who have taken their sons or daughters to their first game, but I will always remember my first game with nothing but fondness.
One of the reasons I’ve always liked basketball and baseball, is because they’re games that fathers and mothers can pass down to their kids. For as much as football wants to be the new American Pastime, you just can’t relate over football like you can in either basketball or baseball. My dad played basketball for the Aggies in the seventies, and I can remember him holding me up so I could dunk on a five foot Fisher Price rim. I’m sure that many sons and daughters have spent countless hours just shooting baskets or playing catch with their parents, strengthening their bond along the way.
To me, what Bennett and David Stern have allowed, has put a price on things that were previously invaluable. I wouldn’t trade my memories of my first game for anything, and I’m sure they wouldn’t either, but what they have done is blithely dismiss what so many have cherished just because of money. I realize that sports are big business, but anytime money is made off the suffering of others, it’s a bad deal.
What Zantox said above is something I think all of us Spurs fans have begun to wonder, if only for a split second, whether our team could be taken away from us, after so many years, because some “entrepreneur” wants to experiment elsewhere.
Personally, I love how this whole series of events has turned Clay Bennett into a villain, because anyone who has kept up knows that he has lied and stole to get what he wanted. And everything that has happened, has been allowed because of David Stern. For a guy who claims to be all about the fans, with his speech at the All Star Game, Stern has done an excellent job of showing us all what he’s really about.
I feel for the fans in Seattle, because I truly fear losing what they have. The way it happened was never just a business move, and that’s what’s most unfortunate about this whole thing. Hopefully they’ll get their team back someday.
by scrappy-doo on Jul 3, 2008 1:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel for the people of Seattle, I really do. But I would suggest that they look at the pig picture. The team has not been a contender for some time and with a scumbag, incompetent owner like Clay Bennett they weren’t headed down that path anytime soon. He’ll always screw it up in the end, no matter what Presti does.
The Sonics were allowed to keep their name, their colors and their history, and to me this suggests that some day in the future they will be get a new team to root for (perhaps the Grizzlies or the Bobcats, I would think) as the Sonics. I can imagine it’s quite painful now but I don’t think you will be without a team for long. Call it a hunch. By 2030 only the most dedicated Sonics fans will even remember that the city went a few years without a team.
Spurs fans on the other hand better enjoy life while they can. I’m afraid the crystal ball doesn’t look nearly so promising for them. Duncan is retiring after 2012. If they don’t luck into another iconic player by 2016, they’re as good as gone.
by Aaronstampler on Jul 3, 2008 4:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably not "Good as Gone"
The major reason being that the ownership group is comprised of AT&T and other local companies (along with Peter Holt and to a much smaller degree David Robinson), who’s investment in the Spurs is not even close to material (AT&T spends over $40 BILLION annually, which actually dwarfs the entire NBA). AT&T has naming rights and tons of publicity and community goodwill by keeping the Spurs in San Antonio. That being said, I am not delusional. It could happen, and it is why I wrote my post above.
The thing about what happened in Seattle that irks me is that there were people who were willing to buy the Sonics from Clay Bennett to keep them in Seattle. Clay refused. What a crock of shit.
by Zantox on Jul 3, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a sad, sad day. I live in Portland and I too have attended a handful of games at the Key. It is an outstanding arena, and the fans really let the opposing team have it. The most memorable game for me was the Spurs getting hammered by the Sonics in game 4. The game did not seem as close as the final score, and the crowd was intense and angry.
If it can happen to Seattle, it could happen to practically any other team besides the Lakers, Celtics, or Knicks.
by VWolf on Jul 3, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at Game 3 in Seattle of the 2005 Spurs-Sonics series. I was in one of the highest-up seats behind one of the baskets, but I still didn’t seem to far from the floor, as Matthew said. Anyway, that was the game where the Sonics won by a single point, as Duncan missed a last second shot. When that shot bounced off the rim, there was a booming roar and my dad said “I don’t think I’ve ever been anywhere that was that loud.”
by Gino20 on Jul 3, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all BS, and all the powers that be that allowed this to happen knows it is.
It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin
by DennardC on Jul 3, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hoped that Key Arena would be Stern’s Watergate Hotel, so to speak, but we’re not there yet.
Fans are annoyed at Stern for being such a…lawyer, is how I would put it. Isn’t it time for a change in direction with a new leader?
He’s not the best steward for the game. I think his genius was way overstated. Jordan fell in his lap and he spent his remaining time, up until recently when it’s been 24/7 damage control, to try and recreate that.
The GAME has to be promoted. Isn’t that the same in business as saying the “product”. Myopia is hurting the game. The situation sucks.
The NBA could use a “Jimmy Carter” type to restore dignity to the game, or at least, a sense of honesty.
by Jones on Jul 3, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Someone who could step in, fuck everything up even worse than was previously thought possible, quickly get bounced from his position, then spend the rest of his life trying to convince everyone that they were wrong and he actually did a good job. That’s what we need.
Or maybe you were just talking about the Habitat stuff. In that case, you’re right.
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 3, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely did fuck some things up, but his energy conservation policies could have done some good had they not been torn down as soon as he left office.
by VWolf on Jul 4, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idea that since it happened to the Sonics, it could happen to us is overblown. Do you see how much trouble Bennett had to go through to move the team. A lot. Spurs already have a much better history here in San Antonio than Seattle had in 41 years. Even if the Spurs go lottery bound for a couple seasons in the next decade, its not like they’ll just pack up and leave. Have a little more faith in the city.
AT&T Center is still a state of the art arena. The location is what really kills the mood going there. You’re on that garbage side of town that supposedly was gonna improve and never has. Ideally if they had built it along I -35 ( I think thats the highway) they could’ve created an in between point for San Antonions as well as people from San Marcos, New Braunfels and even Austinites to go to there. Those areas are booming right now and the arena would’ve been a hit.
by r21x on Jul 4, 2008 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you r21x, but KeyArena was renovated and called by David Stern a fantastic arena (he gave them the All-Star game as a result) 15 years ago. The AT&T center is 5 or so years old now, and in 10 years (aka Year 6 of the Post-Duncan Era), when our arena is 15 years old. What then? As I said above, I don’t think we are going to see the Spurs leave easily, but if you are banking on the people of San Antonio voting for a tax increase for an arena, I wouldn’t stake my retirement on it (the last vote, IIRC, was pretty close—and that was with the team kicking in a bunch of money as well).
Also, I wish that they had built it up near Shertz. I live in Austin and drive down for probably 25+ games a year (including the playoffs). If it was up near Shrtz, it would save me 20-30+ minutes each way. Not inconsequential, especially when considering that more and more people are living in Austin and commuting down to SA (such as Rackspace employees - of which I am not), which makes getting home from a game at nearly midnight (or later if it is an 8PM start) seem much less attractive. I certainly won’t complain - heck, its a good excuse to be in SA—but I do wish it was closer =)
by Zantox on Jul 4, 2008 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The city didn’t make the decisions in this case. $tern and the owners did. It could happen to almost any smaller market team. Bennett had to go through some trouble, yet still he got what he wanted and the precedent has been set. Fortunes change for NBA teams and there but for the grace of $tern go the Spurs.
by VWolf on Jul 4, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a die-hard NBA (and Spurs) fan from Asia. Obviously it’s a bit harder to relate to the whole Team/City dynamic. I think this is one important element about the game that we non-US fans are missing out on – to truly have a team that we could rightly claim our own.
This whole issue with the Sonics is widely ignored here. For an NBA fan halfway around the world, what matters is the team’s roster and management, not the arena nor the city they play in. Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant whether he plays in Seattle or not.
With that said, I do feel a certain bond with the city of San Antonio. Haha, I dunno maybe it’s because following the Spurs for so long can actually do that. I’d hate to see the Spurs actually move cities. I can’t even imagine what the Sonics fans of Seattle must be feeling now.
by carlop on Jul 4, 2008 1:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a travesty. I’ve mentioned it here before, but where I live the cities own the teams. It’s completely beyond comprehension to me that a team is allowed to move onto greener pastures if the owner hits a rough patch.
I feel sorry for the fans. It must be unbelievably painful. But in the end, the whole league is to blame for their mentality.
by LatinD on Jul 4, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Karma is a motherfucker. Bennett and Stern will need to, to paraphrase Lawrence from Office Space, “watch out for their cornholes”.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How good will the OKC attendance be?
The Sonics aren’t going to improve that much, all they have going for them is Durant. I have a feeling once that initial novelty of having a pro franchise wears off, the OKC residents won’t be coming out in droves to watch a particularly bad basketball team all that much.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the Hornets weren’t that great while playing there, so I assume it wouldn’t be the worst.
by Linix129 on Jul 8, 2008 2:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But the Hornets were a novelty...
The Hornets got great attendance while not being that great because they were still a novelty in OKC. That’s Ozzie’s argument…
by JDubs on Jul 12, 2008 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs fan in Seattle
I grew up as a Spurs fan in San Antonio and St. Louis, Missouri…. but last year I moved to Seattle and I LOVED going to games at the Key this last season, even with the terrible team. KeyArena is easily the best place I’ve ever watched a professional basketball game, and to blame the arena situation for Bennett’s heist is absolutely asinine. The Seahawks and Mariners both extorted the local and state governments for money for new stadiums… and after the city put millions in to renovate the Key in the 90s… it’s still not good enough?
The city supported the team even in the worst season in team history, drawing more attendance than several other professional clubs. Bennett purposely sabotaged the team to build for the future, trading away Ray Allen for draft picks and letting Rashard Lewis go to Orlando, specifically to make the team bad and drive fans away. He knew those trades would make Seattle fans not want to come out AND give him draft picks that would blossom in OKC.
This is the single shadiest sports situation I’ve ever lived through, and sadly, it’s made me and thousands of other hardcore sports fans here consider never giving the NBA another chance. Until David Stern goes, I won’t even watch my beloved Spurs. I still hope they win, but Stern won’t get a dime of my money or my time. Thanks for the article Matthew, it’s good to see fans all over the country getting behind the Seattle Sonics fans.
Now if only everyone would boycott the games when the OKC Thieves come to town…...
by JDubs on Jul 12, 2008 3:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stern won't get a moment of my time either...
...but Ginobili and the Spurs will!
by Gino20 on Jul 14, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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