Finals Game 4-aka Bwahahahahaha! Suck it, Lakers!
As Spurs fans, we know the feeling when your team is about to give up a big lead. The lead would have been gotten through some sort of oddity, like unusually hot 3-point shooting, combined with poor defense. Once that well dries up, the team can't seem to score. Meanwhile, the other team hits two threes, to cut, say, a 23-point lead to 17. The players seem to have a nonchalant attitude like "no big deal, we're still up 17." They screw around more, get out of the offense, then you look up and the lead is at 11.
Fans and players start looking at the scoreboard, thinking "surely there's not enough time." But then you realize that there's something like 4 minutes left in the third, or ten in the fourth... plenty of time.
The thing is, the Lakers are even worse off than the Spurs in those situations. The Spurs can always get a good shot by throwing it in to Timmy and letting him go one on one or kick it out to a shooter. When things are going bad for us, Timmy misses the FTs, and the guys miss the open J's. The Lakers, on the other hand, don't have that kind of low post threat (Smeagasol doesn't count).
Instead, they get Odom driving wildly to the basket, and assorted other guys (Fisher, Vujacic) shooting contested jumpers, with Pau disappearing entirely. Then Kobe gets visibly upset with the lot of them and exaggeratedly claps his hands to call for the ball, and rolls his whole head (not just his eyes) if someone misses a shot after not passing to Kobe. Then Kobe goes into "Hero Mode" and shoots contested 20 foot jumpers. Against us, he made more than his share. Last night, not so much.
Each one of the Celtics' big three came up big last night. Throughout the game, the Celtics would cut the lead to 12 or so, but then LA would respond and push it back to 18-20. It looked like they would blow Boston out, but then either Allen (ugh) or KG would score a couple of baskets to keep Boston treading water when no one else could do anything. Then, at the end of the third, when the rest of the team (Posey, Eddie House) finally showed up, they started scoring points in bunches, and feeding off each other's energy and confidence.
I have to say that Paul Pierce was simply AWESOME on defense. Looking at him, you wouldn't think he'd have the quickness to stay with Bryant, and he really doesn't. But he's just quick enough, and he's so strong, and clever with his clutching and grabbing, that he can prevent Kobe from going around him easily. He has long arms and high shoulders (as Charley Rosen would say), so he plays taller than his listed height; he even blocked a Kobe jumper. And his effort was absolutely off the charts. He scored some points down the stretch, but his D on Kobe was absolutely game and series turning.
Other Thoughts:
No TD in the Opening Scene?
The opening of the show is a cool montage of various Finals moments. They show Olajuwon, Bird, Magic, etc. They even show Ginobili vigorously pumping his fist while being hugged a little too closely by Sean Marks. But no TD? Come on, ABC, FOUR TIME CHAMPION Tim Duncan deserves better than that.
Rajon Rondo doesn't like needles
The commentators mentioned that Rondo had refused a cortisone shot for his ailing ankle because he was afraid of needles. WTF? Can't they knock him out by drugging his milk, BA Baracus from the A-Team, then shoot him up? I've had those shots, and they do help. I could see if he was worried about long-term health consequences, but if it's just some weird needle-phobia, you gotta take it for the team.
Vujacic-Sweep the Leg
There was a sequence where my two all time favorite players Ray Allen and Sasha Vujacic got tangled up on the floor. Allen tried to get up, and Vujacic wrapped his legs around Allen's ankle in some kind of MMA scissor maneuver. At least he got a foul called, but man, that's seriously bush league. Imagine if Bruce tried something like that.
Foul to Give
Doc Rivers made a big deal of the Celts having a foul to give with 1:44 left in the game. Then they fouled Kobe 6 seconds later, bleeding the clock ALL THE WAY DOWN to 1:38. I fail to grasp the strategic significance of that maneuver.
Doc's Pregame Speech
Speaking of our favorite ex-Spur commentator turned coach, in his pregame speech he instructed his team to focus on "winning." Umm, how about focusing on rebounding, or making the extra pass? How do you focus on winning-by visualizing the scoreboard with your team having a higher number?
Kobe's Lame Attempt
At the end of the game, with the Lakers down 5 and needing a 3, Kobe pulled up and shot an incredibly difficult fadeaway with a toe on the line. Watching real time, he appeared to have been fouled, but when they showed the replay, it was clear there was no contact at all. Nevertheless, Kobe pulled the arm flail / scissor kick stunt that he used to clock Manu in the beak last year. I respect Kobe's game, but that was beyond weak.
So What's Next for Game 5?
It's hard to say. Boston has generally seemed tougher, hungrier, more physical. I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and guess we'll see a large FT disparity in game 5 favoring the Lakers. I don't think the Lakers will have a psychological issue overcoming the blown lead, but the real issue is having lost a game they should have won. I see them winning game 5, but losing fairly convincingly in game 6 to end the series.
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Two other points I forgot:
1. Doc Rivers, his pregame speech notwithstanding, seems to be getting the better of PJax this series, which is absolutely incredible. He recognized that Rondo was killing them on the offensive end and hardly played him at all in the second half. He went to KG in the post to slow the Lakers momentum. Meanwhile, Phil didn’t really do much of anything during the Celts comeback, and actually benched some of the Lakers’ more useful players (like Radmanovic).
2. Sasha Vujacic must still think he’s guarding Manu. Attention, Sasha: Ray Allen is RIGHT HANDED. Forcing him right, as you did much of the game, including on the clinching layup, is not such a good idea. Also, Pau, where were you on that play? It sure seemed like Sasha was expecting help over there. No way I concede a lay in from Allen rather than forcing Garnett to do something (anything!) with the ball and the clock running down.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
Actually
TD is in the opening sequence on ABC. He looks young so I think its from the Knicks series.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
38 seconds in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Q69qy9Iuk
And I too loved watching the Lakers blow a huge lead and lose.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I blame my DVR for cutting it off
Thanks, CMoney. Egg on my face for sure.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
Actually Timmy D is
also standing with David Robinson raising the trophies just over Manu’s right shoulder at the end of the clip.
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
Now the sports guys get it....
From M. Stein’s Game 4 review :
Two more killer factors: L.A. was outscored 31-15 in the worst of its fourth successive third-quarter outage … and Boston has clearly stolen the Lakers’ comeback mojo.
The Lakers erased deficits of 20 and 17 here to stun San Antonio in Games 1 and 5 of the Western Conference finals at Staples Center, but it looks now as though the assist they got from the schedule-makers - with such a short turnaround between rounds for the Spurs and no more than one day off between games - was bigger than we knew. In this series, L.A.’s furious rally from its own 24-point deficit in Game 2 at Boston fell agonizingly just short, followed up by Lakers’ sinking to new levels of despair with this collapse.
If the WCF/ECF had the same or close to same 5-7 days off between Game 7/Game 1 - If the ECF went 7 games the Celtics/Pistons would still have had 5 days off - I think you would have seen a drastically different Games 1, 4 and 5….. and I fully believe now that our SPURS would have given the Celtics a lot more issues. From the article :
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Gm4-080613
and several others just like it, it seems when the going gets tough the Lakers go “ok Kobe, get us out of this!!” and just listlessly stand around. It happened in Games 1 and 5 vs. the Spurs, but Kobe was able to do just that. This time, not so much. When the Spurs get down, they have Tim, Manu, Tony, and/or even Bowen or Ime to work on.
"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.
The "I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You f***ed with the wrong Marine!" face. Because Popovich can be kinda scary.
Game 5 prediction?
If the Lakers come out “balls to the wall” and play lights out, and you see a ton of FT’s (LA only plays really good when they are getting lots of FT’s) then you will see LA win, and Boston will take it back home in Game 6. But if that doesn’t happen, I seriously doubt this thing is going back to Boston.
Say if the score is in the 100’s, LA wins. If not, Celtics celebrate #....17?
"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.
The "I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You f***ed with the wrong Marine!" face. Because Popovich can be kinda scary.
Haven't been watching
ANY of the Finals since the WFC, until last night. Came across the game somewhere around the middle of the 3rd when the comeback was in progress and decided not to change it ( didn’t want to mess with the comeback Mojo). I probably dislike more of the players on the Celtics but my hate for the Lakers franchise trancends who is actually playing in the game. So…....I finally watched some of this years Finals. I might even tune in for the end of the next game if it looks like the Lakers are going down. I just want to see the agony of season ending defeat on their faces…...sweet it will be. Suck it Lakers! Ha Ha!
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. - Confucius
Blame the refs much?
Good grief. I suppose the sole reason I can NOT get it up to cheer for this Laker squad (besides Jackson and Kobe) is that the entire team does the “Duncan Face” treatment if they lose. Case in point from Mr. “Machine” from the Daily Dime :
Vujacic simply allowed Allen to drive around him, waving a hand toward Allen’s midsection but failing to move his feet to deny Allen the lane, and no help defenders came over in time to seriously contest the shot.
“The whole game, from the minute I came in, they called fouls on me. He fell down, foul. I was trying to find a way to guard him for 48 minutes, and everything I did was a foul. He got me. He went to the basket, and it was a good basket. I don’t know what else to say,” Vujacic said, half-forlorn, half-disgusted as he stood in front of his locker in a morose Lakers dressing room.
Did he expect Allen to drive left instead of right? Did he expect stronger help to come?
“I wanted to stay with him, I wanted to stay aggressive, but again, there would be a foul. So I kind of stood back, I gave him the room to operate, and he went to the basket, so that was a bad defensive decision on my side,” Vujacic said. “It doesn’t matter, help or not, we came out and were supposed to be more aggressive, and not let him breathe at the top of the key. It’s a tough loss, it hurts, but we’re not done yet.”
Um, yes…you ARE done. Duh. No way you are taking 3 straight from Boston, esp. not after this. It’s as if they expect and they think it’s “pre-ordained” that they are the ones that get all the breaks, all the fouls thier way, etc. When the Lakers don’t win, Jackson’s the first to say “well, if the refs will call the game in our favor, maybe we’ll actually win.” I am REALLY suprised he did NOT get fined during Game 4 of the Spurs series when he blatantly said “we’d be a lot better off if those refs would blow the whistle for us and not be so giving to the Spurs.” I thought they fined people for that, but apparently not Mr. Zen. sigh Even when the Spurs got jobbed in Game 4 (Yes, they did…in regular motion you couldn’t tell Fisher’s shot hit the rim, in regular, slow, fast, etc. you CAN tell that Fisher gave Barry a huge man hug, or tried) they said NOTHING about the officiating. Same with Boston. At least when those teams lose, they admit they suck.
Anyways, I’m so happy the Lakers are going to lose, and hopefully lose in 5. Ha.
"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.
The "I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You f***ed with the wrong Marine!" face. Because Popovich can be kinda scary.
OK, Give props to Kobe
That postgame interview was funny. Extremely. Scroll down to the middle, you’ll find it. Highly entertaining.
"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.
The "I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You f***ed with the wrong Marine!" face. Because Popovich can be kinda scary.
It’s especially funny if your name is say, ‘CMoney’ or ‘LatinD.’ His line about not beating them 3 straight but beating them Sunday, then moving onward was enlightening.
Yep, I will NEVER let it die. Viva la SiMA.
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 14, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the second question, from Ghostbuster Dr. Peter Venkman
“What’s your feeling right now… stunned, deflated, certainly more than just disappointed.” What a question! I half expected him to go on: “depressed, suicidal, homicidal… a vast emptiness deep in your tortured, shriveled soul.”
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
Timmy D is in that montage prominently
They even have a clip of Bill Walton from the NBA on NBC where he is fawning “Soooooo powerful.”
I don’t remember much from that Finals, but I found it hilarious that Duncan was being guarded by Larry “my back is useless” Johnson.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
Attention Everyone: I was wrong. I'm sorry. TD is in the opening montage.
My DVR cut off the first part of the montage. I thought that it started when the camera kind of flies into the underground tunnel, so I missed TD’s turnaround over Larry Johnson as Bill Walton says “so many moves, so much power…” My DVR cut the video off in exactly the same spot for games 2 and 3, so I assumed that was the start of the broadcast.
When I watched the video on Youtube, it turns out TD’s picture is on the wall in the underground tunnel as well. I won’t be happy until they create a montage of nothing but Tim Duncan and Manu, but I will no longer say he’s not in it all. If I were a samurai, I would commit hiri-kiri to salvage my honor in the face of my public embarrassment.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
That's Better
We require some serious bloodletting if a mistake is made around here!
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
In tomasito's defense
We do have 4 championships, but only 3 measley little video opportunities? What up with that?
Also, I know he isn’t beloved here, but where’s last year’s Finals MVP?
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
This may not go over well here
But the Bulls are in that montage only twice, and they don’t even show images of the team, just freaking Cliff Levingston and Michael Jordan.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Da Bulls appear THREE times...
We see MJ’s dramatic offensive foul at 49 seconds in, and towards the end we see Jordan’s weird “switch hands for no reason” layup and his “I’m so on fire I don’t know what to do” shrug.
In your face, Ozzie Montana! Get your facts straight before you come posting ;-)
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
lollll
I knew as soon as I posted that I should have gone on YouTube and actually checked it.
Still though, that pisses me off. I understand ESPN is incompetent and MJ is identifiable by villagers in India, but come on they could have taken out 10 seconds of the Lakers/Celtics bukkake in that montage for at least 1 shot of the starting lineups that delivered the 3rd most rings in NBA history.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions

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