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Enough About Manu Already

Western Conference Finals Game 3 Vs. Los Angeles: Spurs 103, Lakers 84 (2-1)

I never thought I'd say this in a million years, but I'm getting burned out on all the Manu Ginobili coverage on ESPN.

Like, for cereal.

We lose a tight Game 1, and all the reporting from the San Antonio perspective is that Manu had an awful night, Manu was badly hobbled, and if Manu played anywhere near average the Spurs would've won. All of these bulletpoints were basically honest.

But then we lost Game 2, by 30 points. And again, the Spurs focus is on Ginobili. They got killed because of Ginobili. It wasn't competitive because of Ginobili. How can they win a game without Ginobili?

Now I felt, we were starting to careen off the rails a bit. When your team loses by more points than it could score in an average quarter, it's not one guy's fault. Pretty much everyone stunk out there. Gino took eight shots. He makes all eight, we lose by 12.  Perhaps the media should've looked a bit harder for a story angle after Game 2. Old, boring and slow, old, boring and slow would've been original, right?

Anyway, onward and upward to Game 3. Pregame, everyone is discussing Manu. How hurt is he? Does he feel any better? Will he do better tonight? It felt odd. It's like the media was rooting for him to have a good game, just so the series would be competitive.

And a good game he had, for sure. 30 points on 15 shots, a bevy of threes, and bingo bango, it's a series again. After the game, the lead story: Manu Freakin' Ginobili. The guy with two rebounds, one assist, zero steals and zero blocks. The guy who could've been Allan Houston or Reggie Miller or even - dare I utter it - Ray Allen.

Manu had a good game. He didn't have a monster game, by any means. Perhaps we're spoiled. Maybe I'm ungrateful. But I've seen Manu have awesome games. Manu's awesome games are some of my best friends. This, ladies and gentlemen, was no awesome game. It was merely good.

I thought Timmy was our best player. Manu flipped the switch. He was the ignition, definitely. He turned the tide, changed the momentum, had those two bombs when it was 15-8 LA, all those things. But he still wasn't our best player. He wasn't the guy who had a 20-20-5. He wasn't even the guy who finished +26.

Still, after the game Duncan and Parker's contributions are essentially ignored and it's all Manu, all the time. Lakers vs. Spurs have become Kobe vs. Manu. J.A. Adande wrote that Timmy passed the torch to Manu .

The guy one year his junior.

The guy who can hardly jump anymore.

"The torch."

Insanity.

Is it a Lakers thing? All of a sudden the Spurs are a lot more exposed because we're playing the Lakers. I remember last year playing the Conference Final against the Jazz. Nobody on ESPN made a big deal about anyone having a big game or a poor one. It was just another playoff series, getting the amount of coverage you'd expect from Magic-Raptors in Round 1. We play the Kobester's Krew though, and it's lead story stuff, with several features on the side. It feels odd and overexposed.

Worse, it feels forced.

What happens if the Finals is Spurs-Pistons II? We'll have a Finals with less media coverage than the round preceding it. The story, again, will be the crappy TV ratings and the low scores. It will be how we're the death of the NBA and not mainstream. In 2005 David Stern tried to sell Manu Ginobili - the dunking Manu Ginobili, no less - to the United States, and by all accounts it was a failure. In 2007 they tried to prop up Tony Parker as the counterbalance to LeESPN, and again, it was a disaster. A little French guy (Promoting the French! To Dubya's America! Brilliant!) who doesn't dunk, doesn't shoot threes and whose three favorite English words are, in order, "Unbelievable," "Attack," and "Mode."

Basically, they focused on the guy because of who he was sleeping with. That kind of strategy might work with Monica Lewinsky. It works less when the point guard is boffing a mediocre actress on an even more mediocre TV show and not the most powerful human being on the planet. And by that of course I mean Oprah. Tony should be all up on that.

My point is that no matter how much attention the Spurs get, it never ever seems to be for the right reasons. It's never the team. It's never their accomplishments. It's never proper historical perspective. It's never a sociological question of why people don't like them. The media will never examine their own hypocrisy, admit to their past mistakes. People don't like the Spurs because for 11 months a year you're subliminally and systematically told not to. Then, for two weeks every odd year, you're told, "No, they're cool. Appreciate them."

It just doesn't work that way.

So now, when the Spurs are hyped, it's superficial. The Manu Ginobili Show. The same guy you won't invite to the All-Star Game because he's not as marketable as Brandon Roy. The guy you won't invite next year because he's not Tracy McGrady or Monta Ellis or whomever.

This attention, this adulation, it's fake, it's phony, it's bullshit and it will all disappear the nanosecond the Spurs have played their final game, whether that's this series or next. Spurs fans see right through this stuff by now. We are truly the only ones out there thinking about our team in any kind of proper context. We're the only ones not blowing what Manu does, good or bad, out of proportion because our memories extend beyond one playoff series, one month, one season.

Whatever Manu will do, he's done it before. The team has won championships before. They've been eliminated before. We want them to do well, we want them to win, sometimes desperately so, but it's not out of greed or some ungrateful "What have you done us lately" mentality that makes us this way. No. It's because we see the team for what it is. Weak. Frail. Old. Thin. Slow. We know them better than they know themselves and we know the last hurrah is near. We just don't want the show to end.

It's stupid and alien for us, ESPN's sudden appreciation of the day-to-day activities of Manu Ginobili. It doesn't register, doesn't translate. We've been thinking about the guy for years. He's ours because you rejected him in the first place and we know you plan on dumping him again so we won't subject him to that ridicule. Spurs fans have to fiercely protective of Manu (and Tony) because the media is a sick, creepy,  incestuous vampire, ready to suck the soul out of you and discard the dry husk that's left over.

Me? I want Fab Oberto to go for 30 and 10 tonight, just to confuse the fuck out of everybody.

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Great piece, again.

But Ray Allen?? Pure blasphemy. Manu will soon hang an ‘awesome’ game in memorial to your man-crush.

What Cheryl lacks in ears she makes up in cock n balls. -CMoney

by SgtinManusArmy on May 27, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

enough about Manu

Aaron is exactly right. It isn’t like Manu hasn’t had crappy games before. Remember the game 3 of the finals last year? Or back in 2006 when he sucked back to back in Sacremento. Sometimes he just gets into a funk. Manu himself said that he isn’t that good that he can’t have bad games. Fortunately his funk usually doesn’t last long.

Manu hit his 3’s on Sunday and as Aaron said, he didn’t do much else. He won’t go 5-7 tonight again so the rest of his game needs to be there for the Spurs to win. More drives to the hoop, more assists, more rebounds, better defense.

Aaron was right about Duncan. He was the true star of the game Sunday. And in the interview afterwards all people wanted to talk about was Manu. It is to Tim’s credit as a true team player that he kept his cool throughout the interview.

For the Spurs to win games in this series, their 3 stars have to play well. That happened for the first time in the series Sunday. Let’s hope it happens again tonight.

by Minnesota on May 27, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not bad!!!

It is about time that people started comparing T-Mac to players like Monta Ellis and not Kobe.

By the way, What is Oberto’s specialty? Seriously I have no idea. He doesn’t seem to score much or play great defense, etc. Does he have a specialty? Why is he a starter on a Championship caliber team?

by pslakerfan on May 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He has nice hair.

by Aaronstampler on May 27, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he passes like a madman, he moves great without the ball, and he’s always in the right place.

Also, 5 people have to start. Right?

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on May 27, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know what’s up with Fab lately, but he used to make 90% of those little flip shots around the basket. He’s great at cutting to the basket for an open layup when his man turns his head—he must have burned Boozer in the WCF last year three times a game. He also is a great passer, and often hits Duncan in the post or makes the pass that leads to the pass that leads to the bucket (the “hockey assist”).

Also I have a soft spot for him because right after the Spurs signed him, I ran into Fab and RC Buford having lunch in San Antonio. I came up to their table and told him “welcome to San Antonio.” He appeared genuinely touched, and I ran into RC at the buffet line later and he thanked me for coming over, saying it “really meant a lot” to Fab.

So now that we’re BFF, I resent people’s mean comments about him :-)

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 27, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BFF as in “Best Friends Forever.”

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 27, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s an awesome story. I love hearing how down to earth and approachable our guys are. You don’t get those kinds of opportunities with most other teams in the league.

I ran into Kobe once at the mall. I thanked him for being such an example of humility and grace in the modern NBA, and then he molested me.

What Cheryl lacks in ears she makes up in cock n balls. -CMoney

by SgtinManusArmy on May 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you show us, on this doll, where the bad man touched you?

by Aaronstampler on May 27, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The creepy thing is that I agonized over saying, “then he raped me” instead of “molested.” I felt like “raped” was probably too far and that our laker trolls wouldn’t see the obvious humor considering that there’s some reality involved. I didn’t want to be too offensive. And it’s even funnier to me now, thinking that that’s likely the only time I’ll ever struggle with whether or not the right word is either “raped” or “molested.”

What Cheryl lacks in ears she makes up in cock n balls. -CMoney

by SgtinManusArmy on May 27, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm lucky I wasn't at work

That’s the hardest I’ve laughed at anything in weeks.

It’s always worth the time to decide on the right word. You completely nailed that bit. I’m seriously still laughing about it. And Aaron’s doll comment just took it over the top.

And a “golf clap” just won’t cut it.

Kudos, gentlemen. Kudos

Everytime the Spurs pass the ball like that, an angel gets its wings. - Hipuks in G6 vs NOOCH

by jollyrogerwilco on May 27, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He plays good position defense, he abuses stupid players, and he pretty much started the “tap out a loose rebound to a guard” thing that’s become much more prevalent this year.

Also, the rubber band is awesome.

chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on May 27, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to the specialties everyone else said...

...like passing and finding open spaces on the floor. Another big thing is setting solid screens for the scorers. It’s a very underrated part of basketball. But – and this is a J-Lo sized ‘but’ – I think the hair, the hair band, and his teeth put him over the top.

by Gino20 on May 28, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his specialty

his specialty is making people ask “does he have a specialty”. and so far i’d say he’s the best in the league at it.

by staves27 on May 27, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I yelled and thumped my chest

and I won’t be doing that again…. that shit hurts.

As usual another fine post, Michael.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on May 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

contrary to popular belief, fab is the best player on our team. enough said.

by efantich on May 27, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm not joking

actually after tim, manu, tony, bowen and white jesus

by efantich on May 27, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good article, as always. You really should get paid for this stuff.

I’ll just say that J.A. Adande is an idiot, and the editor had a brain fart when he let him post that piece of crap article in the Daily Dime. I think that as unmarketable as Manu is, lately Timmy is even worse. The only way for Timmy to get noticed these days it to go 20-20-10-10 (that last one being blocks), or make a triple to tie the game.

Oberto’s a good passer, and great at setting picks. That and making easy layups is his role in the Spurs, and he does it well. Also, he’s good at working within the limits Pop’s system has for him. Other players usually try to do too much. In the Argentinian team Oberto has a bigger role – look for him to actually get the ball with a defender on him during the Olympics.

by LatinD on May 27, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sad but true

Tim went for 22/21/5, with 1 block to boot…and all anyone can talk about is Manu’s 30. As I said in the other thread, if KG went for 30/18/2 with 4 blocks, and then 2 games later 22/21/5 with another block to boot, people would be breaking down the Celtics’ door trying to touch “the next Russell” and wouldn’t shut up about it for a week…..

"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.

by Nixiack on May 27, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta agree with that one. The truth is if Duncan played for the Knicks, he would be God. Look at a guy like Ichiro Suzuki. He is by far the best hitter in baseball the last 6-7 years and no one ever talks about him. Better example “Tony Gwynn”.

by pslakerfan on May 27, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flash Over Substance

I agree 100 percent. If KG had THOSE kinds of numbers, in a Conference Finals no less, the media would squeeze “the next Russell” angle for everything it’s worth. I say this not only because of where KG plays, but also for his straight out of high school, high flying, fiery image. Although Tim is arguably one of the best PF’s big men ever. His style/personna is percieved by the ignorant, casual fan as bland. He doesn’t pound his chest after a dunk, or talk trash…...he just wins. He shares the ball, making his teammates better giving them (usually) wide open shots. He plays strong D cleaning up whoever gets past the first line of defense, making the overall perception of our team defense that much better. And when left single covered, attacks the basket with array of moves up to and included a decent jumper (not to mention the HUGE 3 against Phoenix – that one still makes me smile). All with a team first mentality that is a rarity in pro sports today. Our whole team has this mentality, from Gino excepting an off the bench role, to Fin Dog choosing us over other suitors knowing upfront a spot in the rotation, much less a starting one, wasn’t guarenteed. It all starts from the top, with Tim being the cornerstone of the whole machine.

Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. - Confucius

by raynorschiene on May 27, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's because he obviously isn't on roids

And doesn’t hit mammoth home runs, or do anything that garners “OMG l O O k!!” from the media. He’s essentially the past few years been the rock of the Mariners-however weak that is-and is the most consistent player. But….no headlines, no care :(

Imagine if Boston would have gotten Duncan in 1996…..in 1997 they would have presented a starting 5 of Chauncey Billups, Dee Brown, Tim Duncan, Bruce Bowen (yes he was a Celtic, check it out) and (?) Travis Knight. Duncan, Billups, Bowen alone would have won them more than 36 games total, and if not, the next year they got Paul Pierce. Billups, Pierce, Duncan, Bowen, and (insert center here)....that’s a championship starting 5 right there…..You would have had several years of LA/Boston all over again.

"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.

by Nixiack on May 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if they had gotten duncan...

they might have not been able to pick pierce due to their better record. but that starting 4 would make bill simmons drool.

by znimrod on May 27, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis Knight?

I think I just threw up a bit in my mouth….........

by pslakerfan on May 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Party is Over

You all know that Kobe is pissed and you know what he does when he gets pissed off? He takes the Spurs and throws them in that muddy canal you call the River Walk. I REALLY feel sorry for the Spurs hacks tonight.

by TheTruthSquad on May 27, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and with that....

I feel that the mood was just shat on. ..

by scrappy-doo on May 27, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

although...

how could he throw us all in there without provocatively groping at least one of us…? Sarge, any hypotheses?

by scrappy-doo on May 27, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s a douche. He’s a typical Kleenex Suns fan, trolling successful teams’ fanbases to antagonize since they don’t have a team to support now. He says nothing useful, nothing coherent, and nothing remotely objective. Translation: Ignore guys like this and they’ll quickly disappear. Without the satisfaction of knowing that he’s provoked you, he’ll slither back to his World of Warcraft and leave us alone.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 28, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m seeing this piece as a “Get off Manu’s cock dammit that’s my spot” article. I was actually expecting something like this from Powell… not Stampler.

chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on May 27, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Same old song

The Party’s Over, it’s time to call it a day.
They’ve burst your pretty balloon and taken the moon away.

It’s time to wind up the masquerade.
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid.

The Party’s Over.The candles ficker and dim.
You danced and dreamed through the night,
it seemed to be right just being with him.

Now you must wake up, all dreams must end.
Take off your make up, The Party’s Over.
It’s all over, my friend.

by TheTruthSquad on May 27, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great game!

Where is everyone? I wanted to talk about the game.

by TheTruthSquad on May 27, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lakers fan speaking respecfully...

All the Spurs fans on the Lakers blog were a class act so I’ll try and return the favor.

First of all, it was a terribly officiated game all around. All in all, I do think it evened out. Yeah Fish did foul Barry, but on the other end of it, Derek Fisher hit the rim on the previous possession so the shot clock should have been restarted.

As far as the post goes, with people not paying attention to the Spurs for the right reason, here’s something to comfort you. Almost all Lakers fans will remember you for your boring, handsy, slow, consistent, and championship winning play. If the Lakers and Lakers fan respect one thing, it’s winning, and the Spurs have done that. Plus it helps Lakers fans not hate you when you have classy guys like Manu, Tim Duncan, and a Lakers hero in Robert Horry. If we were in the same position, but playing the Suns, I most definitely would not be making this post.

by Davyjonze on May 27, 2008 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Davy, that does ease the pain and provide some comfort. Wait, no it doesn’t. We STILL want to win, and this thing isn’t over yet!!!

Thanks for coming by, welcome to PtR.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 28, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stampler...

Agreed. Tim is still the man for the Spurs. No matter how much man-love we have for Manu, or no matter how Frenchie or Gino have their on-fire games, overall Timmy is the captain of the vessel (besides Pop, of course).

I’m still waiting for Adande to write a piece about how Manu has now passed the torch to Brent Barry… :-)

by Gino20 on May 28, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because that would be the whip cream?

I couldn’t resist!!

"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.

by Nixiack on May 29, 2008 2:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i say that the end is not near for the spurs. perhaps stampler meant that the end is near for this year – and i will admit that this could be true. but coming back from 3-1 isnt impossible.

i’m just saying that the tony/tim/manu show still has at least 2-3 more seasons of run in it and with all the roster turn-over expected coming up, the spurs should continue to be right there over that time period.

by bones on May 29, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oprah's 4 interviews with Jill Bolte Taylor

Oprah’s 4 interviews with Jill Bolte Taylor were the first that Oprah did after Eckhart Tolle and they take everything Tolle talks about to another level. Oprah’s copy of Jill’s book, MY STROKE OF INSIGHT, was dog-eared and all marked up and kept reading from it the way she read from A New Earth and recommended it highly.

Oprah’s recommendation was enough for me. I read My Stroke of Insight and I loved it too. This story is as inspiring as The Last Lecture or Tuesdays with Morrie – and even better, it has a Happy Ending!

I bought the book on Amazon because they have it for 40% off retail and they also had an amazing interview with Dr Taylor that I haven’t seen anywhere else – Here is the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/My-Stroke-Insight-Scientists-Personal/dp/0670020745/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211471755&sr=1-2

by Jamie123 on May 29, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we got spammed. Either that or this is the greatest non-sequitur posts of all-time.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on May 29, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read “My Stroke of Insight” in one sitting – I couldn’t put it down. I laughed. I cried. It was a fantastic book (I heard it’s a NYTimes Bestseller and I can see why!), but I also think it will be the start of a new, transformative Movement! No one wants to have a stroke as Jill Bolte Taylor did, but her experience can teach us all how to live better lives. Her TED.com speech was one of the most incredibly moving, stimulating, wonderful videos I’ve ever seen. Her Oprah Soul Series interviews were fascinating. They should make a movie of her life so everyone sees it. This is the Real Deal and gives me hope for humanity.

by Danny897 on Jun 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Note to us: No posting about OPR*H. Apparently it sets off timed spamming posts. Technically, this is very interesting to me. In all other ways, it’s contemptible.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 3, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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