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when a team loses a 20-point lead and goes on to lose the game, you can't point to any one thing. but, the media, either trying to either distill the story into manageable pieces or just trying to look smart, seems pretty content to do that.

i've heard it was kobe turning on the kobe switch. i've heard the lakers clamped down on defense. i've heard the spurs went cold. i've heard the spurs were tired from their plane ride. it's all of those things. actually, the least among them i think is kobe being kobe. he started going off when bowen and udoka started picking up fouls.

one thing that i've only seen casually alluded to is the spurs lack of composure down the stretch. every time we took a timeout, or got a stop, the next possession we had a turnover. either an offensive foul, a bad out-of-bounds call or just a stupid turnover because the big  three weren't playing big. i wonder if we just banked on losing the game and that kept up from being our best down the stretch.

we squandered a big opportunity. we squandered a great game by duncan and miserable games by odom and fisher. we won't be able to bank on any of that later in the series.

but the series is not over. we went up by 20 against this team playing our standard game. it's painful we're behind in the series now, and the going will only get tougher when the coaches start making adjustments.

it's only game 1. where are the stories saying the lakers were lucky to win? where are the stories that guessing that the beginning of the game will prove to be the norm? gasol is a chump. odom can't hit the big shots. will the team lean on kobe to rescue them every game? if they do, we win.

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Here is the great news Manu will definitely play better in game 2. I remember seeing him yesterday and he looked dead tired even at the opening tip …and finding out that he only slept 20 minutes will do that to anyone!

The Lakers don’t impress me at all..other than Kobe..and anyone thinks Sasha is going to keep Manu down, like he is great defender that Raja is they are smoking crack.

Watch Pop run plays for Manu really and often tomorrow to get him going and then he will let Tim and TOny take over.

It was hard to lose that game..but every time we played the Hornets I was scared..the lakers don’t scare..David West shooting the ball did..Paul doing whatever he wanted to our defense did..Spurs will beat the Lakers!

by adam8065 on May 22, 2008 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Where are the stories that guessing that the beginning of the game will prove to be the norm?"

I don’t think anyone is guessing that the beginning of the game will prove to be the norm.

Thus, no stories about it.

Unless you mean, you think the Spurs should be favored by 15+ every first half against the Lakers.

by Amazing_Happens on May 22, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Laker’s defense definitely wasn’t anything special, there were points in the 4th quarter where Duncan would get the ball in the post and everybody would just stand around watching. I HATE when they do that. Guys have to MOVE….game two can’t start soon enough.

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 22, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents

Big time Laker fan here and I’ll be the first to admit that the Lakers were extremely fortunate to win last night. I’ve never seen another team in the playoffs this year so thoroughly take the Lakers out of their offensive flow for 2 1/2 quarters. Obviously the Lakers have a ton of adjustments to make (mostly defensively) otherwise it will be very difficult series to win.

That said, both teams can take a lot of positive away from game one. Spurs fans can certainly be assured that Gino will produce a lot more than he did last night. And Laker fans can certainly hope that Fish and Odom will shoot a little better than 4 for 21 collectively. As a Laker fan, I definitely have much fear/respect for your team and I know this series is going to be a real dogfight. (There was a reason I was pulling so hard for New Orleans in game 7).

On a side note, as I watched the game last night, on the replay of Manu’’s last missed shot, it appeared that Odom got away with grabbing Manu and dragging him down. I did think that there was a little bit of home cooking there. This morning when I watched the same sequence on TIVO again, I noticed something else. Take a look at Horry’s right arm. He practically clotheslines Odom to the ground. Vintage Horry streetball. So in retrospect I suppose the two fouls cancel each other out.

And oh yeah, Adam8065 can you PLEASE guarantee that the Spurs will beat the Lakers? I saw your guarantee about the Spurs winning game 1, and as a Laker fan, I just honestly would feel a lot better if you could give me your guarantee that the Spurs will win the series. Thanks big guy. :-)

by RCollier27 on May 22, 2008 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some realism from a Lakers fan – thank you.

by 4Him on May 22, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Adam8065 can you PLEASE guarantee that the Spurs will beat the Lakers?”

:: grumbling and cursing under my breath ::

by SgtinManusArmy on May 22, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The homecooking was expected. I don’t think it was all that egregious. Horry is.. Horry (I don’t know what else to say about the man, except I was really really excited when he was out there in the final minutes of the game.. probably a pavlov reaction.. how sad)

by hak518 on May 22, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horry grab

I saw that as well and posted about it on another thread. Amazing what you will see on slo-mo DVR. Also the out of bounds after Pau’s missed dunk was a foul on Manu and definitely went out off of Manu as well.

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no question that horry knocked over odom, who knocked over gino. you could see it live, really. the sad part for me is that gino missed the shot in the first place – and that he just might have gotten to the ball in time to miss the whole flesh pile had he been just a half a step quicker.

if the spurs could have made, say 5 buckets in the fourth, none of that would have mattered. for the second straight game they put up a grand total of 3 FGs in the fourth – and one of those was really kobe knocking it in. sad.

its never cool when kobe starts one of his scoring tantrums, but you know its coming and the spurs will need to score at least one or two hoops when it happens, or else.

by bones on May 23, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the better team will win in a 7 game series. The spurs basically had to “wing” it coming into this game. no preparation, no sleep, and coming off a completely grueling series with the hornets. the lakers had to beat the nuggets…big deal, then the jazz….again, big deal. whereas the spurs had to go through the suns, who dont suck. then the hornets, who really dont suck. that being said, they blew a 20 point lead and lost the 1rst game. i already had myself mentally prepared for a loss on the road for the first game. Pop even said in the pregame interview- you play the first game then make adjustments and develope a strategy. i trust pop and i trust the spurs. and i absolutely trust manu. it is very possible for them to win the series.

JEFE666

by jefe666 on May 22, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BS

I call bullshit. I bet if you had beaten Denver and Utah, and we had beaten the Suns and the Hornets you would be saying the opposite. Don’t even bother responding because you know it is true. Homerism is homerism.

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

there is some merit to jefe’s point if you follow the spurs. its a given that pop will follow a very basic game plan in the first game. he has for almost any series the spurs have played over the years – and taken beatings on this very site for it.

on the flip side, its not like the lakers are strangers. there is surely a different “basic” plan for dealing with every team you play. with just one day off between games, pop would have been a fool to try and do something fancy with his game plan.

yeah, we think that NOOCH and phoenix are tougher than denver and utah, but didn’t the lakers earn an “easier” path by being the #1 seed?

by bones on May 23, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA

whats the matter bro- Hornets wouldve killed the nuggs and the jizz and you dern well know it. its alright bro. the 2 best teams in the west are playin for keeps. and im super confident in the Spurs chances of beating the lakers in this series. if the spurs lose then they got beat fair and square by a great team. this isnt “homerism” just “realism”- cheers

JEFE666

by jefe666 on May 23, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the Hornets would beat the Jazz. The Jazz have good players at every position where the Hornets have good players the Jazz won 3 out of 4 against the NOOCH. And some of those were blowout. And in most of the games where D-Will and C-Flop3 have matched up, Deron has owned Chris

by Gino20 on May 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think so. The Spurs have never had trouble with Denver or Utah. Those teams are much less frightening than the Suns and Hornets. It’s just the way it is. I think it’s Laker homerism that claims those teams were tough.

by VWolf on May 23, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jazz are right there w/PHX and NO, on the other hand, Enver…

by Gino20 on May 24, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you’re saying. Sure, the Hornets and Suns Sons don’t suck. But neither do the Jazz. Denver, on the other hand, they’re not a real contender and, as a non-contender, cannot beat any of the contenders

by Gino20 on May 24, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Difference in Denver vs. Pheonix

Is the disturbing thing that the Spurs are “too nice”...they don’t have that killer instinct to close someone out in 4. They will be happy to do it in 5. (Just watch Game 4 of the Suns/Spurs series, the Spurs mailed it in almost.)

That sad, neither team plays Defense, and that was the key. The Suns tried, but failed because they got “I’m all talk” Shaq instead of “I’m Dwayne Wade’s b(&#_” Shaq. And Amare still doesn’t know what the letter D in the alphabet means.

The Jazz are worse than the Hornets. The Hornets swept them I think, destroyed a Mavs team that would have probably given a bit more trouble to both the Lakers and the Spurs (Spurs mainly, because of Avery)....and if I can remember right DID come back from 30 down vs. the Lakers in LA….with Gasol in the lineup. The Jazz just know how to foul a ton, and Kobe is almost as automatic as Manu when it comes to FT shooting. Plus I will admit to some part of refereeing, that Jazz/Laker series was mindboggling. Something like Game 1 had + 25-30 FT bonus to LA, and Game 4 had like a +25-30 FT bonus to Utah. Just rediculous. The Spurs would have beaten the Jazz in 5-6 as well, not because of “last year” or anything like that…but because the Spurs would have had home-court advantage, and the Jazz haven’t won in SA since like 2000, or worse. (Something like 10 years or so)...and this year they played 2x in SA and didn’t show any improvement. So chalk up Games 1-2 to SA, SA takes 1 in Utah for 3-4, and wraps it in 5…or goes up 3-2 in Game 5 and takes it in 6 like LA did.

by Nixiack on May 23, 2008 1:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know which is better, I just know that he would say the opposite if the series were reversed that is all. And they had almost identical records so in my mind it comes down more to matchups rather than which team is better. Obviously we match-up with Denver well as we were 7-0 against them this year, but other teams may not. We match-up very well against the Mavs and almost always beat them.

by pslakerfan on May 23, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we’d say the opposite. We are Spurs fans and we have been here before. Denver blows. No comparison there to Phoenix. Utah you might have an argument if you want to be a homer, but if you really watched both series with an unbiased eye, you’d realize that the Hornets were a much better opponent.

by VWolf on May 23, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know neither of us have ever seen an unbiased eye. However Hollinger’s computer (unbiased) said the Jazz would win it all. (And yes I still hate Hollinger).

by pslakerfan on May 23, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Computers are biased…they are programmed by humans.

by VWolf on May 23, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jazz won 3 of 4 against Hornets this season

Two of the Jazz wins were by more than 20 pts. The total scoring margin of the 4 games: Jazz +49
In the head2head games this year:
Deron Williams 16.8 pts, 11 ast, .574 FG % (5-9 3 pt)
Chris Paul 12.3 pts, 9.3 ast, .306 Fg % (1-8 3pt)

Deron owned Chris in most games even since they were rookies, when D-Will wasn’t even near CP3’s level against the rest of the league, but head-to-head, he usually takes the matchup over Paul

by Gino20 on May 24, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Oh, I’d be the first to admit that if the roles were reversed (Spurs 1st seed, Lakers 2nd—could have happened if SA gave a squat about that last LA game, or the 1st one when just Parker was hurt)....SA would have had a cakewalk with the Enver Nuggets and the Jazz, and the Lakers would have been the “battle tested team”. Given that sometimes Enver gives SA fits, I would have had SA in 5 (like last year) and SA in 5 or 6 to the Jazz….. Suns would have taken at least 1 game on thier home floor vs. LA, and man oh man, I’d give my left toe to watch LA vs. NO in a 7 game series, just as long as it didn’t eliminate my Spurs to make it happen :)

Biggest positive that came from things happening this way that I can see….. Pheonix fans can just flat out accept that the Spurs finally just beat them, without conspiracy help…. Finally.

"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.

by Nixiack on May 23, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you- my sentiments exactly-

JEFE666

by jefe666 on May 23, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably why D'Antoni left

In the heirarchy of things, the Suns were clearly the 4th-5th best team out West. They have the bloated Shaq and his contract, Nash finally started to look like he was slipping last year, Amare will never ever know the letter D in the alphabet, thier bench sucks beyond Diaw(and occasionally Barbosa) as he never ever plays them.

This year LA (post Gasol) was clearly better, the Spurs beat them fair and square in 5 games, even after they got “Spur ready” with Shaq…the Hornets beat the ever-living snot outta them, and the Mavs can retool a lot faster than they can. With the Rockets getting healthy(hopefully) and the Trailblazers and the NOOCH on the rise, with LA where it is now, there is no way the Suns will be competing for a championship with this current squad. They are done.

D’antoni figured this out, so he left. Now the sweet irony is he went “where the money is” plain and simple. To sugar coat it (for us Laker and Spurs fans), did anyone see his reaction when the Bulls got the first pick? Looked like he wanted to choke a b*^&@!.

"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.

by Nixiack on May 24, 2008 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Forgot the Jazz

And before someone states “well insert the Spurs in that 2nd paragraph and there you go!!” .... the Spurs beat the Suns, would have beaten the Mavs (anyone would now that I think about it this year, except Enver and Pheonix), beat the NOOCH, and are in the WCF…. On top of that, this year a LOT of thier “dead mummified weight” in Finley, Horry, KT, Stoudamire, etc. come off the books…they already have Mahinmi signed and ready to go, and they can get Splitter from Euro(who they already have going as well)...so if they get some young players (at least Udoka’s age or younger) to fill out thier bench, that will go a long way towards them staying in the elite category for at least the next 3-4 years (while Duncan still has it).

"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.

by Nixiack on May 24, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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