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Three Ways to (Beat / Lose) (the / to the) (Spurs / Lakers)

Yes, I know, there just isn't enough Spurs / Lakers content on this blog right now.  I think we've had a thousand comments since the end of game seven, averaging about 100 words a piece.  I certainly haven't had time to read them all, instead only making sure nobody's being meanie-faces.

The guys who write the Lakers blog for the L.A. Times asked me to write something up so they could post it on some other site that isn't really the L.A. Times.  They, in turn, answered the same question.  Here it is:

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Three Ways to Beat the Lakers

 

1)  Make them a perimeter team.

 

The Lakers were sixth in the NBA this year in both three point attempts and three point makes.  They’re certainly capable of shooting the rock, but there’s no question that if they get accustomed to launching from outside, the Lakers aren’t nearly as good a team.  Their strengths come close to the rim, in penetration, good spacing, and crisp passing.  When things are good, jumpers come from the inside out.  When they don’t, the ball just moves around the perimeter. 

 

Utah certainly learned that the hard way through the first three quarters of Game 6, and all the ones played in LA. 

 

2) Get physical. 

 

One thing the Jazz did do well was beat up the Lakers, particularly Pau Gasol.  When he caught the ball in the high post, they hassled him.  When he went up for a rebound, they bumped him.  At times, it took Gasol out of the game.  To his credit, the lanky Spaniard (is there a more gangly player in the NBA?) tended to bounce back at big moments, but he can be bothered.  As can the team.  Given the space to run their offense, the Lakers are almost impossible to stop.

 

3) Get on the glass.


Utah earned themselves endless second chance possessions by crashing the boards hard and consistently throughout all six games.  They didn’t convert on enough of them, but it wasn’t for lack of opportunity.  Phil Jackson hopes the Lakers can rebound well enough to close that margin against the Spurs, but no question the coaching staff is worried about rebounding. 

 

Three Ways to Lose to the Lakers:

 

1) Over play Kobe.

 

Simply put, the Lakers move the ball too well and Kobe is too good at both recognizing the double and finding the open man.  There is a very clear diminishing return to trying to throw bodies at Bryant.  It might work for a trip or two, but over the long haul, it won’t.  The last time the Spurs were in town, they gave it a shot, and as a result Gasol and Lamar Odom were able to roam free like big cats on a wildlife preserve.  Nobody bothered them. 

 

Along those lines…

 

2) Ignore the supporting cast.   

 

I’m not just talking about Gasol and Odom, but everyone else down the line.  The more players the Lakers can get into double figures, the more likely they are to win.  He’s going to get his, as is Gasol.  When Luke Walton, Sasha Vujacic, Vlad Radmanovic, and Derek Fisher go off, forget about it.  The Lakers have an extremely multi-dimensional attack.  If the Spurs let them have access to all of them, they’ll have trouble keeping up. 

 

Kobe can attract so much attention on the offensive end, but teams have to recognize that the Lakers are dominant when they get balance, and that Kobe will play in a way to make it happen.  He’ll still take shots that aren’t quality, but the number of CIFSPG (Cringe Inducing Forced Shots Per Game) Bryant hoists has gone down considerably.  If the defense gives him 18 looks, that’s what he’ll take.  But if that’s the case, he’s likely to have set up his teammates for a lot of great shots, and LA is likely to have piled up points. 

 

3) Let them open up the floor. 

 

When the Lakers are playing well, the offense allows for a great deal of space.  They’ll run slip screens with Kobe and Gasol, cut off Gasol in the high post, move off Kobe’s penetration, or let Odom lead them on the break.  The Spurs happen to be experts at clutching, grabbing, and doing all the little things that can make that more difficult.  Let the Lakers pass the ball, and their tough.  Force them to put it on the floor more, and they’re vulnerable.  Relative to the alternative, they’re not a great one-on-one team. 

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thats the ticket. we need to make them work from the perimeter and not let them get away with any dishes to their bigs. make them work for every shot we are in good shape. i am not worried a bit in this series. i think the spurs will figure out their formula. fisher cannot stop parker. he is a great player but not fast enough for this 26 year old frenchie. duncan is.. well, duncan. he needs to pick his spots and make them pay by getting to the line. all of our perimeter guys need to do what they do best – RAIN 3’s. Kobe will be the MVP he is and take charge at will. we just need to make him work for every point he throws on the boards. i am not worried about this series… if the spurs want it, they will take it. if we walk out of LA with 1 or 2 wins… holy shit! i am not saying LA won’t be a tough team to beat, i just don’t fear them like i did NO. so here we go, buckle up!

PtR + SPURS = LAST STEP TO THE 2008 FINALS!

yeah, the spurs are boss

by moognish on May 21, 2008 6:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's almost a paradox

If you were to ask me “What team can beat the Lakers 4 games out of 7, I would say no team!”

If you were to ask me “What team can beat the Spurs 4 games out of 7, I would say no team!”

It’s a conundrum!

The Lakers fans, like me, think, hey the Jazz are better than the Hornets, so that bodes well!

The Spurs fans think, hey the Hornets are just like the Lakers, so that bodes well!

Hollinger thinks, well, who cares what Hollinger thinks!

I love the playoffs.

by Amazing_Happens on May 21, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha…that’s how it goes, right?

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 21, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we are all here to find out!

Spurs in 6.. er 7.. Let’s just say Spurs win the series!!!! yeah okay that’s better.

by hak518 on May 21, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont even wanna think about another game 7 on the road. we gotta do it it quicker than that.

by bones on May 21, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost got Game 1

And would have if Ginobili would have just shown up…. :/ Looks like it’s ripe for a Game 2 win.

by Nixiack on May 22, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who showed up?

No one showed up except Kobe. Don’t blame it on Ginobli, blame it on Kobe.

by TheTruthSquad on May 22, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is over

Don’t worry about game seven, it is an impossibility. The Lakers win will the series in San Antonio in game four.
Great game for the Spurs. Twenty point lead in the middle of the third quarter and they lose by four. What makes anyone think this series will go to seven games”?

by TheTruthSquad on May 22, 2008 12:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Same old story, same old song

Seem to remember you saying something similiar when the Hornets were up 2-0.

Nice to you know that you don’t mind repeating yourself or changing alliances when it comes to hating on the Spurs.

Aside from that, it’s a pleasure to have you on the site. Thanks for coming around.

Everytime the Spurs pass the ball like that, an angel gets its wings. - Hipuks in G6 vs NOOCH

by jollyrogerwilco on May 22, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the Spurs win Game 2

I really hope you change your tune. You’re the only delusional Laker fan here that can’t get off Kobe’s nuts long enough to realize the Spurs were dog tired, and just ran outta gas. It happens….Lakers have a LOT of things to be concerned about, namely Gasol and Fisher not being able to keep up in the slightest with Duncan and Parker, respectively. had Ginobili sunk his usual 7/16 or even 9/17 shots instead of 3/13, I doubt you’d even be here. The Spurs did do everything needed to win, Ginobili just didn’t show up in the slightest, and I’ll give anyone a nod that says Finley should NOT have played the minutes he did….but then again, Pop played the bench like crazy due to the quick turn-around from Game 7 in NO…when’s the last time Jackson subbed out ELEVEN different guys in the 1st half? That’s just unreal :/

But for all it’s worth, thanks for stopping by. :)

by Nixiack on May 22, 2008 1:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crazy, crazy game

Hey all,

Just got home from Staples Center. I don’t even know where to begin. The crowd was almost non-existent at times and absolutely crazy at others. The MVP chants late in the game were the loudest I have ever heard. There are a million ways to describe what happened. I feel like a genius in some ways and like an idiot in others. I thought the Lakers would win and that Kobe would play like and MVP. I guess I was right there. I also thought the X-Factors would be Odom and Fisher. Oops, ef’d that one up. As a Laker fan I have to say that Fisher sucked, Odom sucked, Walton sucked, we couldn’t hit a wide open shot to save our lives, we couldn’t guard Duncan to save our lives, and we still won. I wouldn’t expect some of those same thing to keep happening. However you can flip that and say that Parker can shut down Fisher, whoever took Odom can shut him down, etc. and that things look bad for the Lakers. Like I said I don’t really know what to think. I thought the Gasol/Duncan matchup played out about as I expected. Parker kind of disappeared in the second half. Ginobili did not play particularly well. According to the aftergame show here in LA on the radio, it was due to Vujacic playing good defense but it is hard to tell from my nosebleed seats. Flea from RHCP called in and that was great, he is a big Laker/Basketball fan and it is nice to see some celebrities aren’t above talking with the little people.

Refereeing seemed to be pretty decent/equal from my seats, but I am sure you have a different perspective on that one. I will watch Tivo’d TNT broadcast tomorrow and see how it looked on TV.

I think we can safely say this will probably go 5 games now. LOL.

Not sure why Trevor Ariza was in a suit tonight, but I guess I will find out later.

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t mean to steal your thunder by making most of the same comments you did—but I do have one new thing to add, truthsquid isn’t a Laker fan; he’s an old angry bitter Suns fan/Spurs hater following us from series to series, wishing/praying that someone, anyone knocks off the Spurs since his team couldn’t.

Everytime the Spurs pass the ball like that, an angel gets its wings. - Hipuks in G6 vs NOOCH

by jollyrogerwilco on May 22, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA052208.7C.BKNspurs.ginobili.4051605.html

Good article about Ginobili, and why he sucked so bad. Finley was a rotting corpse, and honestly, although they won’t say it, the Spurs looked dead tired, and committed mistakes late that you can honestly say, they don’t commit….hardly at all. Good game to the Lakers though, they came through when it mattered :)

I did an adjustments thread pslaker (welcome back btw :) ) with what I thought went well, and went wrong, with the Spurs side. Please comment on what you think went well/wrong on the Lakers’ side of things, and what Jackson might do in the VERY pivotal Game 2….should the Spurs win Game 2, it’s a series…

by Nixiack on May 22, 2008 2:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There was more noise at a backyard BBQ

Than there was at Staples for about 85% of the game. It only got loud when the Lakers tied it/went ahead. During the TNT cast I saw no less than :

1 whole row of people on cell phones, not even paying attn….another several rows of people doing whatever they are doing that doesn’t involve watching a basketball game, much less cheer thier own team on….Several people “primping” for a camera shot(?)....Jack Nicholson scowling like mad….6 people were ASLEEP!!! behind the Laker bench….and some people on the very top in the nosebleed seats still trying to yell and get thier team to victory.

by Nixiack on May 22, 2008 2:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Nixiack,

I kind of ripped one of your posts on the 2nd half game thread. (apologizing for the tone, not the content).

As for the sleepy fans, etc. like I said yesterday those aren’t really fans, they are all corporate seats, perks from movie studios, etc. They are there to be seen and look good. Did you see the face value on those tickets $3,300 (that’s face value!!!) I have sat in those seats and believe me most of them don’t know crap about basketball. Make you a deal. You don’t judge laker fans by the courtside sitting, rich, pampered celebrities that you see on TV and I wont judge spurs fans by some of the idiots crashing the Laker blog at LA Times. (One goes by Spurs4Life and I think he is from here). And yes I know some of our crashers are asses too, I am just saying…...........

As far as Phil Jackson’s strategy for Game 2. Don’t expect any changes. If I have one gripe about PJ (and I have many) it is that he is a bit stubborn/slow with making changes in-game or in-series. Maybe play Trevor Ariza, but other than that I don’t know. Funny thing is I think both teams fans think their team played like crap. (and I think both are right) So I don’t know if we really learned anything about the match-up. I do think we learned a little about the troops, but not necessarily the war.

As for what went right/wrong. Whew, where to start. The good: Kobe can and will score if he needs to and he seems to be committed to involving his teammates in the game. Vujacic seems like he is ready to play (although he is always good at Home and bad on the road). Pau looked decent after the first few minutes of confusion and apprehension. The bad: Duncan is going to kill us each and every game. Period. The Lakers played the first 2.5 quarters with no passion or sense of urgency (as usual) and that crap won’t cut it against the Spurs. Tony Parker will kill us each and every game as well. I knew he would but I thought Fisher would play better on the offensive end and cancel him out a little bit. (not totally of course.

There are just so many ways to view that game I am not sure what we learned. Like I said, I think both teams played well and bad at the same time. Maybe Game 2 will tell. I will not be at Game 2 so I hope I was not the good luck charm…..

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bedtime

See ya tomorrow. And sorry again for the tone of the other post, I just think your analysis was extremely myopic. (what a pathetic apology) LOL

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, no problem

It’s all good, I replied in kind :) Good to see you made it home safely though….will talk to you tomorrow I hope.

by Nixiack on May 22, 2008 3:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what should we do, leave???

our squad doesn’t need cheering to get them going. this isn’t high school people. what you should notice is that as quiet as it was. NO ONE LEFT!!! confidence is so sexy, don’t you think. i can’t believe the spurs feel since they beat NO at home they can do it here. there will be no excuses. if you can’t tell that kobe knows these old spurs don’t have the wind to last through the fourth quarter, you’re blind. he knows all he has to do is let the spurs run hard and happy for three quarters, then watch how lethargic they get in the fourth. take notice spurs fans. your squad is very good. just not good enough to last 4 quarters and not good enough to repeat as champs. EVER!!!

by rydamee on May 22, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

By no excuses, is “Well, we weren’t at full strength because no Bynum” included? Or is that charge just for SPURS fans?

by SgtinManusArmy on May 22, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We try not to use that one. We use it more like “we are going to kill you next year with Bynum”. Funny story (well not that funny). They are selling t-shirts at Staples like crazy that read: Andrew, Pau, Lamar, Kobe and Fish. It is funny because those 5 have not ever played a game together. I guess they are selling early for next year. Fab Four and Fish that is the mantra for next season. Kinda has a nice ring to it…...

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you’re Fish, then you’re just pissed.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 22, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I thought the same thing. Kid of a slap on Fish, LOL.

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW- I’m starting a new PtR mantra…..

“We’re going to kill you next year as is.” or
“We’re going to kill you next year with a weird looking Brazillian and another Frenchie.”

Not quite the same flow, but I’m still confident.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 22, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not leave, but....

I was merely commenting on the fact that almost everywhere else, when you see an arena the people are glued/tuned into watching the court, what’s going on with it. When the team is doing great/holding things together, they cheer loud, when the team is down, they do the D-Fense! things, etc…when the team is up, they are rowdy.

The Staples Center crowd, through 3 1/2 quarters, were talking on cell phones, primping, taking pictures of things NOT on the court, talking to other people, ASLEEP!!! etc….anything but actually watching a basketball game. The only people I saw that consistently were cheering, are the poor people (literally, from what I saw from pslakerfan..ouch man!) that were in the nosebleed seats, desperately trying anything to help will their beloved team to a win. Even the annoucers were like “wow, it’s like the Spurs are playing at home…or in a backyard!” The NO crowd had on the same things(sea of yellow or white, it looked cool), didn’t sit until the Hornets scored thier first bucket, cheered like mad, booed the Spurs relentlessly every time they touched the ball (Games 2, 5 and 7) and it just generally felt like a hostile place. Compared to that, Staples Center was a breeze to play in.

That’s why I was commenting like I did. No harm mate, no harm :)

by Nixiack on May 23, 2008 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and not to sound too cocky, but have you heard the term “act like you have been here before” For example we don’t hang Pacific division champs banners or even Western Division Champs banners. There is just no room!!!! LOL :)

by pslakerfan on May 23, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A confident crowd?

Then why were they booing their own team when the Spurs had a big lead?

by 4Him on May 23, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where are the other Laker guys

Like SOLMI, and Laker Girl, etc? I only see you (pslaker) and Amazing. I hope we didn’t run them off, I really like talking to all of you.

by Nixiack on May 23, 2008 1:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well psychedlakergirl is probably in transit. She lives in N. California or Oregon, or somewhere I do not remember, but she is coming to Palm Springs for Memorial Day Weekend. We are supposed to get together tonight and watch the game at a local bar.

Never actually met her, it should be fun. (no hook-up jokes guys, I am married)

Not sure who SOLMI is.

by pslakerfan on May 23, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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