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Western Conference Finals Preview

I can't believe the series starts tomorrow.  I still feel drained and (news flash) I didn't even play.  I also didn't sleep on a plane last night.  I slept in my bed, underneath a comforter which has no use being used during an Austin spring.

I can't hate the Lakers like I used to.  Shaq's gone.  Kobe, well, he never riled me up much as a basketball player; plus he's Everyman's Teammate now, starring in affirming weight loss commercials and helping garbage men at the curbs of suburbia.  Phil Jackson sits atop a disarming cushion of humility.  They still have Derek Fisher, he of point four and a thousand unearned charges, but I don't have the stomach to stir up vitriol for a man with a sick daughter and amazing abs.  They're intoxicating.  (Actually I've never been drunk so hopefully my editor will fact-check that.)  And we know where Robert Horry ended up; still can't believe he's dead alive dead.

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Keys to the series:

1)  Tony Parker must utterly destroy Derek Fisher.  He must dominate the match-up in a fashion similar to the 2007 Finals.  He must continuously get to the basket and exploit the Lakers relative lack of an inside presence.  He must make Derek Fisher embarrassed to look his teammates in the eye.  Derek Fisher cannot guard Tony Parker.  He can't.  He musn't.  I had musnt in Hamburg once.  Really salty.

2)  Tim Duncan must thoroughly outplay Pau Gasol.  Duncan doesn't have the quicks to guard Odom.  Pop just might be zany enough to put him on Radmanovic, but that takes Tim awfully far from the basket he so loves to protect.  That leaves only Pau.  He must make the Spaniard a poor option on the offensive end.  He's got to frustrate him and limit his fast break opportunities.

3)  Fatality, Findog, the Detritus that is Robert Horry; somebody has to step up every game and play beyond their means.

4)  Bowen needs to defend like he's 31 and not 36.

5)  Pop needs to be perfect.  Taking two games to put Bowen on Peja is unforgivable.  And don't get me started about David West and Duncan.

6)  Manu needs to be more Manuer than he's been all playoffs.

You might be looking at this list and thinking "wow, that's a lot of stuff the Spurs have to do to win."  Yeah.  It is.  The Lakers are really good.  During the regular season they were 22-4 when Pau Gasol played.  Include the playoffs and that becomes 30-6.  They're demonstrably a better team than New Orleans.

There's also the matter of schedule.  During the playoffs the Spurs are 2-3 in games played on one days rest and 6-1 in games played with more than one days rest.  What's the Laker's schedule like?  Every single game will be played on one days rest.

Can the Spurs beat the Lakers?  Yes.  Absolutely.  But. 

Here's the thing.  Four things, actually. 

1)  I'm not a cheerleader.  This blog, for me, isn't about ignoring the Spurs foibles (this is, from a building audience perspective, really dumb).  I write about Manu's perfection because he is, in fact, without flaws.  And a wizard.  And a ninja.  He's a ninja-wizard.

2)  I'm not a liar.  If you ask me what I think about the Spurs I feel compelled to be honest.

3)  I don't believe in juju.  Whether or not I think the Spurs are going to win affects absolutely nothing.  I could say "Spurs in four!" and tell all the Faker-fans to suck it, but, really, what's the point?  You think Tony reads this blog and thinks "Well if Matthew think we can do it then well ok alright let's do this thing!?"

4)  I hate being wrong.  Hate hate hate.  Would I rather be right than have the Spurs win?  Well maybe.  Of course not!  How did you know?  How dare you even ask?!

Look, I know we just pulled out a tough win in game 7 against New Orleans.  Everything was riding on that game and the Spurs came through.  Except they didn't.  Duncan, Manu and Parker all played badly.  The Hornets just played worse.  You think for a single second the Lakers are going to lay an egg like that in a game 7?  The Lakers would have beaten us by 20. 

Lakers in 6.  Sorry.  Here's to hoping you guys can throw that in my face for the rest of eternity.

(My extra apologies to SiMA, who will have to spend all day Wednesday thinking of ways to counteract the immense about of bad juju I just released into the internets.)

Fuck it.  The Spurs have Manu.  The Lakers do not.  Spurs in 6.

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Manu is more like a ninja pirate wizard. That’s what makes him more Manuer.

Spurs in 6 baby!!!

by hak518 on May 20, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manuer?

Man that is a great word, kind of sounds like manure. By the way musnt is excellent with crow and ketchup. Wow manuer, musnt, what are we starting a new vocabulary here? Great words actually. I have always loved “waffle”. It sounds fine on it’s own as in “did you drop a waffle”, but said in rapid succession like “waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle” it is just ridiculous. Kind of like describing a penguin walking.

Am I rambling here, sorry…..

By the way nice thread, I like your style (writing that is)

Lakers in 5.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manu is going to dunk on the entire Lakers team again.

by beachwood on May 20, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. Some realism in the strikethrough post.

C’mon Matt have some heart!

Also, your reverse psychology will not work on the Lakers. They will be taking the Spurs very, very seriously, even if Lakers fans like me do not.

Ok, I take the Spurs seriously, but I hope that the Jazz was the toughest opponent they face these playoffs.

As Spurs fans, aren’t you concerned about the Spurs’ performance on the road against the Hornets (except for Game 7, of course)? The Lakers played the toughest regular season road team, took one overtime loss there, and squeaked out a win.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Hornets are better than the Jazz, that much is clear. I think the Spurs would have beaten the Jazz in 5.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 7:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?????

Could you support that claim with a little evidence?

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we beat them in 5 last season

ya i know they are better and more experienced this year, but factor in that the Spur’s defense is better than the Lakers which should counterweight the fact the Spur’s offense is much worse and i think you would have had a similar result. I won’t go with Spurs in 5 I would say in 6 against the Jazz just like the Lakers. I don’t think the Hornets are more talented than the Jazz i just think they are much tougher mentally and have a better coach, play defense, and have a more concrete identity. D-will is the only mentally tough player on the Jazz, the rest of the guys are soft, but still talented.

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 7:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last season???

And we beat you in 4 in 2001. I don’t see that as evidence.

I would take Deron Williams over Chris Paul everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Yeah I am serious. Assists are such a subjective stat. Fisher averages like 3 assist per game. Does that make him a bad point guard? Not at all. The Laker offense (triangle) does not utilize a traditional point guard at all. If CP3 was on the Lakers he would be a nobody. The Hornets offense is completely centered around CP3. To put it another way he is a system point guard. A very good system point guard obviously.

As far as the rest of the Jazz vs. the Hornets I don’t know, but I can tell you this I would much rather play the Hornets now instead of the Jazz again if I had a choice.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well though Deron is a great PG, I doubt any GM would share your opinion. Paul is the hotter PG right now. His PER is an unreal 8 points higher than Deron’s in the regular season and 9 points higher in the playoffs. That’s a huge difference. The gap between West and Boozer is also similarly slanted in the Whornet’s favor (at least for the playoffs).

You are right that the fact that Fisher averages 3 assists per game does not make him a bad point guard. It makes him a mediocre point guard.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank you vwolf i don't even have to post a response

but i will say that i think the fact that the Jazz team the Lakers just eliminated in 6 being virtually the same (sans one Giricek and add one Ashton Kutcher) as the team the Spurs beat in 5 one year ago is a bit more relevant to our conversation then say the spurs – lakers series in ‘01 or ‘99 or between Magic and the Iceman in ‘82

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Virutally the same?

Jazz this year 54-28, 37-4 Home, 17-24 away
Jazz last year 51-31, 31-10 Home, 21-21 away

I guess, but they were much better at home this year. And, I hate to add the cliche, this year they played in the “toughest Western conference ever”.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes virtually the same

other than a very nice posting of a 3 game differential in wins/losses do you have any other evidence that they aren’t virtually the same team – but yes i will concede to your cliche that it was the toughest western conference ever. But i doubt, and i’m sure Hollinger would agree with me, that a 3 game improvement in the win column would statistically have little to do with whether this team was better than last years but more so with luck or getting the benefit of wins in close games that could have gone and would go the other way in other years. its the same damn team because they have the same damn players playing at about the same level. so that = virtually the same.

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hollinger????

I was waiting for someone to bring that idiot up. Mr. PER doesn’t know shizzit about basketball and all real fans know that.

LeBron got one first place MVP vote. Guess who that was from? Hollinger, that’s who, why? Because of his PER.

What a joke. For the love of all things good in this world don’t ever use Hollinger to make a point.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

besides saying “all real fans know that” can you give me any factually based evidence why Hollinger can’t be trusted. He picked the Spurs last year when no one else was. I don’t think his stats and formulas are golden but i do believe they are relevant factors when determining the ability of a player or team. anyways until you Laker boys give us something other than your homer opinion, well then we really can’t have much of a discussion

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 10:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm all homer, baby! And Hollinger is just another fan, no better no worse!

Cmon, you don’t really want objective discussions, do you? Why would we be on a sports board then?

I think we both know this is going to be a good series, because neither side is declaring a sweep or anything less than 5 games. I wouldn’t even dare do that, except maybe after 6 red bulls and 5 viewings of the last San Antonio-Los Angeles meeting that GINOBILI did not play in.

And yes, Hollinger’s opinions are no better because they are backed by statistical evidence. Basketball “stats” are the worst data ever to use for analysis. It would be like using some kind of “stats” for soccer. Actually, they are somewhere between baseball and soccer – which is still unreliable.

By the way, Hollinger picked the Lakers in 5, so how’s that for your “homer opinion”?

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops

I guess “anything less than 5 games” would be a sweep. I meant that no one is saying on either side, “5 games or fewer”. Except Hollinger.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was just about to bring up the fact that he picked you in 5 so i didn’t know why pslakerfan was hating, but whatever. ok fine i will expect no objective analysis and will combat subjective with even more subjective. Spurs in 6 why…

1. Kobe will take as many shots as he will score points

2. Odom will miss key free throws plus he’s a pansy and you in lala land know that

3. Pau’s a pansy

4. and finally the stupid spurs clock guy this time will start the clock on time so Fisher can’t do the humanly impossible thing of catching, turning around, fading away, and shoot in under half a second – btw i bet they show that damn replay at least 17 times this series, i’m already getting sick

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is objective?

1. I hope Kobe is past this phase. As Doug Collins would not let us forget, Kobe’s “points per shot” has been remarkably high these playoffs. I can only recall two times these playoffs that Kobe took more than 25 shots, and one was and overtime game.

2. Odom missing key free throws scares me, too, but man he hit some big ones last game against Utah. I don’t think he is a pansy.

3. Pau could be a pansy, but he’s a really good one. And he can shoot free throws. I think Spurs fans should actually be the ones worried about free throws, especially if the games are close. I don’t watch too many Spurs games when they’re not playing the Lakers, but Duncan and Parker seem to miss more than their share. Correct me if I’m wrong.

4. I still can’t believe Fish hit that shot. Then again, I still can’t believe Duncan made the shot before that one. And I’m sure the clock guy wasn’t exactly on cue at some other points in the game.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 10:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“And I’m sure the clock guy wasn’t exactly on cue at some other points in the game.”

Yeah, I am sure he didn’t start the clock on time on an inbounds early in the second quarter, and as a result nothing changed. What is your point?

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The blogs must be crazy!!!

I don’t even know where to start.

1. Kobe scored 333 points on 212 shots in WCSF. That’s 1.57 points per shot. Ginobili by contrast scored 1.34 points per shot.
2. Odom made 2 clutch freethrows to put away Jazz.
3. Pau is skinny, not a pansy. A pansy is a flower, like the ones the Spurs will be picking on vacation in 2 weeks (or sooner).
4. You are still bitching about .4? Seriously man get over it. You know you have watched that 100 times and the clock started right on time. What you really mean is that it should have started early, right?

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 11:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please

it’s physically impossible to catch a ball, gather it in your hands, turn your body, and shoot all within .4 seconds. yep it was long ago, but please don’t pull crap outta your ass.

gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.

by metalandganja on May 21, 2008 7:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes I can.

Like I said, he picked LeBron as MVP. Second he picked Utah to win the championship based solely on his playoff predictor. Of course after he saw the Lakers kick the shit out of Denver he changed his mind against the advice of his computer.

And homer opinions are flying all around here so leave the “holier than thou” crap outside. According to most of you the Spurs own every single matchup in the series. I guess we are talking 4-0 Spurs sweep by triple digits each game (at least according to most of your predictions).

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can have a “holier than thou” attitude b/c I’m not distorting the facts. I am also not one to have “homer opinions.” Ask anyone here. I’m the stick in the mud negative guy.

by sungo on May 20, 2008 11:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I say you had the “homer opinions”? No I said they were flying around so there is no point in commenting about it. And who is distorting the facts???? If you are talking about the Paul vs. LeBron thing, that is a mistake, not a distortion. Assuming you are right and he flip flopped again.

My original point was simple. Hollinger is full of crap. Period.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My fault, I thought you replied to my post.

by sungo on May 20, 2008 11:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought you might have thought that as I realized I was not talking to you. No problem. Great blog by the way, I love the layout with comments and then replies. Laker blog, while great content, is really slow to react. Each post must be checked and does not show up for up to 2 hours. Kills the conversation if you know what I mean.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 11:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget stats and Hollinger then and just look at the Jazz and the Whornets in the playoffs of 2008. I don’t see how a rational fan could say that the Jazz are the stronger team. I am sorry but it’s not like the Jazz ran into a Lakers buzzsaw defense. They just did not look as good as the Whornets.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offense

I believe it was a buzzsaw offense actually…..

By the way if the Lakers are really THAT good then it makes sense that the Jazz would look worse by comparison. I guess it is just perspective. Did the Jazz suck and the Hornets were good or are the Lakers just better than the Spurs. I guess we will answer that one in the next two weeks. I don’t think I sound “irrational”.

And for the record the Hornets played you guys to a draw before game 7 and they did not even show up until the last 3 minutes of that one.

Not exactly the greatest game the Spurs ever played.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You missed the point. The Jazz looked bad on offense, and it wasn’t because of the Lakers (defense or offense). Carlos Boozer played giant monster turd of a series. If the Jazz could have cloned West and replaced Boozer with him, then maybe the teams would have looked about as powerful…er well then they’d also have to get a defensive beast at the 1 like Chandler.

Don’t be looking for the “greates game ever” when you are talking about Spurs playoff victories. That criticism is as tired as the day is long. The Spurs just win playoff games. It may not look pretty to the uninitiated, but they are playing beautiful, smart basketball, and winning at a high rate.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matchups

I think the Jazz would be a better challenge for LAL than for SAS. On the other hand, however, I think the LAL might have an easier time w/NOOCH than with Utah. But who knows?

by Gino20 on May 22, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

”. According to most of you the Spurs own every single matchup in the series. I guess we are talking 4-0 Spurs sweep by triple digits each game (at least according to most of your predictions).”

What posts are you reading? Are you high? I haven’t read anything like that here.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess you are not reading the comments then, because you guys have given yourselves the advantage at every position so far…..

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am reading the comments. I haven’t read one post that said the Spurs had the advantage at every position. Please point out the post you are talking about.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, Hollinger voted for Paul, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument.

I find it hilarious how Spurs fans belittle Hollinger at every opportunity, considering he was saying Ginobili was a top ten player long before any one else on ESPN.

by sungo on May 20, 2008 10:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve always thought he was the best ESPN had to offer. I was just surprised that he picked LA in 5. His “numbers” are only telling him we’re gonna win 1. Ouch.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 10:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmmmmmmmm

Not sure about that one. I have not seen the final vote, but a week before he said LeBron would get his vote because of his PER. In fact he ranked them and had Kobe 4th. Of course maybe he flip-flopped like he did on the Jazz…...LOL. Just another reason Hollinger is an idiot…..

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find it ridiculous to get hot and bothered about who any sportswriter voted for MVP, provided that player is in the consensus top 5. Why waste time on that? You can make an argument for any of them. Kobe won it finally so you should enjoy it. Did you expect it to be a unanimous decision? Just be thankful that it wasn’t a pity MVP like Malone’s.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he picked the spurs as champs before last year’s playoffs when most analysts were saying dallas or phoenix.

you ain't a beauty but hey you're alright.

by kalone on May 20, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget about the home records in the playoffs. It is one thing to protect the homecourt in the regular season and another thing to do it in the playoffs when all the chips are on the line. Champions can win on the road. Maybe the Celtics will miraculously prove me wrong this season, but I doubt it, and if they do it will be a fluke.

The Jazz at home in the playoffs aren’t tougher than the Whornets at home in the playoffs. Both of their fans go apeshit during the playoffs. It makes no difference that the Jazz fans went apeshit in the regular season while Whornets fans quietly sipped hurricanes. It is now the playoffs and the Jazz are not nearly as tough as the Whornets.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 11:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again with the unsubstantiated theories again. Whatever man, think what you may, after all fan is just short for fanatic.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you want me to scientifically prove that? Doesn’t it make sense to you intuitively? If you are any sort of basketball fan you should understand what I am talking about.

Jazz games have a playoff atmosphere even in the regular season, giving them a regular season homecourt advantage. However, road games are generally hard in the playoffs (fans around the league go nuts), and thus the relative advantage that the Jazz displayed at home during the regular season, is negated (pay careful attention to the use of the word relative).

I firmly believe that the Spurs would have easily handled the Jazz in 5. History and analysis supports this belief.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Spurs have a long history of owning the Jazz.

Also, it is readily apparent that the Hornets are a better team than the Jazz. The Hornets starters are massively better than the Jazz at 2 key positions. It is about a draw on 2 other positions, and the Jazz have a better player at only 1 unimportant position.

Paul (PER 30.37) > Deron (PER 21.42).  West (PER 21.50) > Boozer (13.89).  Chandler (PER 15.67) ~ Okur (PER 16.29).  Peja (PER 13.37) ~ Kirilenko (PER 13.64).    Mo Pete (PER 11.33) < Brewer (PER 17.06).

So the Jazz have the Hornets at the 2, but on both teams that position is the least important one on the floor and it’s not like it’s a massive advantage or anything (nothing that would counter the Paul/Deron, West/Boozer gaps).

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t know why those stats did not show up, but basically the Jazz are slightly better at the 2 with Brewer > Peterson, and the other three positions are basically a wash.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should say “other two positions”

Damn, sorry for the sloppiness.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deron is stronger and more efficent but not as creative as Paul. Boozer and West is a wash. Jazz have a better team concept but there’s no one on the Jazz team who can cover Duncan One-on-One like Chandler can. That makes all the difference.

by hak518 on May 20, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boozer played like ass this entire playoffs, credit the Laker D some, but there is no way that the Lakers would have held West to such poor shooting.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

every time I read something that has absolutely no proof/truth to it, it ends with “by VWolf” Strange how that keeps happening

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What kind of proof are you looking for smacktard? We are talking about hypothetical situations. West was practically unguardable in many games this playoffs. Boozer looked like a rookie. He took horrible shots and made poor decisions. Are you a bandwagon Laker fan?

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was fun to read

I do agree the spurs didn’t have there best game, and tony parker has the best chance of taking advantage of the lakers defense. I just hope manu keeps spinning and blowing layups like the last game I saw him in.

Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.

by ldeep on May 20, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, I know, there's an infestation of us now

But it can’t be helped. Damn fine blog you guys got here.

Here are thoughts I have regarding the series.

- I want to, want to, WANT to believe all the talk the spurs are old. I wanted to when NO took them to seven games….and the the seventh game happened, and I can no longer call them washed up. at all. this will not be easy.

-This will really come down to the genius of two coaches. Pop and Phil are the two best in the game now, easy, hands down, no question. Should make for a very intricate chess game.

-You guys need to hope and pray that LO stops playing like he has been. We need to hope and pray that Pau plays a HELL of a lot better then he has beemn. He hasn’t had a post prescence to face in the series yet, and he’s not been that great. (And ANYONE who calls Boozer a post presence needs to stop. NOW.)

-The Lakers bench is better then your bench.

-Except when they aren’t. ::sigh::

-If Sasha OR Vlad gets hot, then that’s normal. IF both get hot, then you’re in trouble. If Luke Discovers his outside shot? Say goodbye now, cause it’s over.

-If NO ONE produces from our bunch, you guys will kill us. Seriously.

-Over/under on the amount of times Bowen goes for the pinkie? I’m going to place it at 7. PER GAME.

-Between Pau, Fish, Sasha, Manu, and the entirety of the Spurs bench, this series will be FLOPTASTIC.

-there is a VERY good chance that Tony will DESTROY us.

-There is another very good chance that Timmah will go aboslutely bonkers and send Pau crying back to memphis. Seriously. That man scares me.

-I’m not sure that Pop starting Manu is the best strategy here….you think Kobe’s going to give him an INCH right off the bat?

-You should be very, very afreared of the fact that Kobe is THIS CLOSE to the Finals. That’s terrifying. You think he will let ANYONE stop him? That’s also trerrifying to us, cause if he takes over for times longer then half a period, we will not fare well.

-Lakers have Kobe. Spurs do not. Lakers in 6.

by LakerfanJeff on May 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree............sort of.

I think the mistake that Spurs fans are making is twofold. First I really think the Parker/Fisher gap will be much closer than you think, and second I think Odom is going to have a really, really good series. I may be wrong and I don’t pretend to know how this series will go, but after reading a few posts here I think you guys are really off on those two. As for Pau and Duncan? Who knows? Duncan averaged 19.3/13.3/2.7 against Shaq and Chandler. Pau averaged 20/8.6/4.5 against Boozer and Camby. Sounds alot closer than people here are making it out to be. Time will tell

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

chandler and shaq are far better defensively than boozer and camby. I dont know how if pau gets double teamed much, but Duncan got those numbers against NOOCH when he was constantly doubled except for one game (as far as i can remember).

boozers defense is fouling, and camby’s defense….he’s on denver, right? yeah he doesn’t play D.

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 20, 2008 7:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I loves me the pau....

But compared to Shaq and Chandler? Boozer and Camby are pre-schoolers. Not in the same league.

by LakerfanJeff on May 20, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

chandler is the best defender among the 4 bigs mentioned. fat-daddy may be second. boozer isnt much for defense. either way, there is a signifiant drop off from chandler to those two. i have never seen more over-rated one on one defender than marcus camby. he’s lazy, gambles too often and has poor footwork – oh yeah and he’s often out of position.

it is true that gasol gave tim some problems last time they played, but more than a few people have had good games against tim in the regular season.

i do agree about lamar odom. which odom shows for the lakers will be a key to the series for sure. this will be the responsibility of oberto/thomas/horry.

by bones on May 20, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Parker/Fisher gap is huge. You just played two poor defensive teams, and now you think Flopper got game. He doesn’t.

Odom is a choke artist, and it will take a strong performance in THIS series to prove otherwise. I really like our chances if he is throwing up his patented zero-rotation J.

You have to look at more than the stats to compare Duncan and Pau. Yes Pau is a fine player, but he is no Tim Duncan. Also, it wasn’t just Chandler going against Tim. It was West, Paul, Peja, Mo Pete, and those bad crawfish he ate that were all messin with his game.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don’t see Pau being effective vs Duncan unless he stretches the floor and knocks down some jumpers. And I don’t see Fisher staying in front of Tony. Especially since Tony just played 7 games vs Paul. Guarding D Fish will seem like Fisher moving in slow-mo after guarding CP3. I see KT really giving Odom fits in the paint like he did when he was with Phx. I see Kobe showing all of the Kobe haters why he was the MVP this season. The guy is simply amazing. I see Manu rising to the challenge. I see Pop picking up the pace of this series and attacking the paint relentlessly. We are going to see TONS of free throws this series. I also see him giving Kobe the Lebron 2007 finals treatment. Let Kobe get his, stop everyone else.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My #1 Key

Timothy Theodore Duncan. Duncan has to be a beast in this series. I’m talking 24/15/4/3. If he wants that 5th chip bad enough, he will put up numbers like that.

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 20, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hamer_SpursFan is right, Duncan was the focal point of the entire D from NOOCH, constantly double/triple teamed. The NOOCH was going to be darn sure that Duncan wasn’t the one beating them. If you just take the Spurs/Suns series, Duncan avg. like 28/15/3. He still almost avg. 20/14 with a Defense solely intent on taking him out. I dare say Pau cannot do the same.

And it’s true, Boozer’s D consists of fouling a lot, and Camby is NOT a good defensive player. His blocks come on help defense, and he rebounds so much because they miss so much. I still don’t get how he won DPOY the other year…it still boggles me. Kobe is a much better defender, and that’s saying a lot coming from a Spurs fan.

by Nixiack on May 20, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marcus Camby is the most overrated defender in the league. Even Denver fans will tell you he isn’t anything special on defense.

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 20, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone can get blocks when teams are consistently driving to the basket on your team due to lack of D. Camby’s D is very overrated.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Case in point: Black Jesus

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i always knew the defensive POY award was lame, but it turned downright insulting when they gave it to camby. garnett getting it this year wasnt as scandalous, but it still wasnt great. its worse than gold glove in baseball.

by bones on May 20, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i thought there was more to do in California than just sit around and blog all day

we have an excuse to do so here in south texas, its hot, muggy, and boring (except for all you pretentious Austinites who think that you are God’s gift to Texas because you got to live in Austin for 4 years when you went to college and now are “enlightened” to what its like to live in a “real” city) whatever i digress. I don’t have time to get into all of this but the Parker/Fisher gap is as big as Parker wants to make it. All Fisher has on Parker are 6 fouls (just like he had on D-will) and his 3 point shot which happens to be the most on its ever been. But Parker is much faster and craftier than D-Will and unlike ‘04 when the Lakers geared there whole defense to stop Parker’s penetration (and it worked) they don’t have the diesel to clog up the middle but the notoriously soft (and Lakers fans don’t even try to concoct some weird random evidence that Pau’s not soft) Gasol and Odom. Gasol an ok shot blocker but he’s not a defense stopper nor much of a shot alterer and can’t fill the lane like the now “big cactus”. I will say that Pau’s length and quickness have given Timmy trouble in the past, but how well has that bode for Pau in the post against playoff Timmy, um not well as the Spurs swept the Griz. Anyways Timmy should, i repeat should eat Pau alive on the offensive end, and Tim can contain him as long as Pau doesn’t get out running then Timmy may have trouble.

On the other hand i do concede the bench edge to the Lakers, except if the Spurs can get the type of contribution from their bench like they did last night, then the bench gap will be a lot closer than people think

i think it will come down to 4 things

1. can the Spurs control the tempo – if the games are in the 100’s the Lakers will win ( i do think the Spurs can win a game or two playing the Lakers style but not the series)
2. can the Lakers play defense – there is nothing you Lakers fans can say that will make me believe ya’ll even think about considering playing defense
3. Kobe Bryant – he’s never been this close on his own before and even though no one will defend him as well as bruce and ime i still fear him
4. this is a given as always – tony, tim, and manu

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right

i’m a total austin snob. but i’ve been here since ‘84, so… yeah!! ha!

gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.

by metalandganja on May 20, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when i think of austin, i can think of one south park clip (one of the imaginationland episodes) which portrays the austin hippie…

“you can’t nuke our imaginations, brah. wooooo!!!!”

that said, i still love austin minus all the hobos

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 20, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha

slayer fuckin’ rocks like slayer.

gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.

by metalandganja on May 20, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no dude you are all good, being there since ‘84 you have a right to be snobby, hell i would be. It’s the UT students i hate who think they are so cool because they got accepted into a school of 50,000 and then they come down to SA and go on and on how lame it is and how they are so much cooler because they’ve lived in Austin for 6 months, i hate them so much – and yes i’m better that i don’t live in Austin and can’t be all pretentious too.

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it’s all good, buddy. make your way down here and i’ll pack ya a fatty bowl, austin-style.

(wow, i totally justified my username on this blog on this single sub-thread. is that cool or am i “that guy” that wears the shirt of the band they see?)

(...)

(full disclosure: i’ve been known to be that guy too. sigh)

gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.

by metalandganja on May 20, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would love to join

But I just got over a case of whooping cough and my lungs are torched.

Maybe you can bake some brownies.

Maybe David Harrison can join us. (Is that his name? On the Pacers?)

Can the game please start?

This is much more fun than the L.A. times blog, everything is delayed there in the comments – censoring, and all.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Expect a call from Josh Howard too.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shit man

i’m his hookup! =D

gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.

by metalandganja on May 21, 2008 7:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t concede the bench edge. We have Ime, Thomas, Bones, Finley, or possibly Manu riding the pine. The Lakers bench put up some good numbers in the regular season, but this is the playoffs.

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i felt bad, i just wanted to give the Lakers the edge somewhere, but i think you are totally right vwolf

by staves27 on May 20, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forgetting someone?

I assume you mean after Kobe, cause I was starting to think you guys are not totally delusional, but edge everywhere, come on man.

Assuming Fisher vs Parker, TD vs. Pau, Lukomir Waltmanovic vs Oberto, Horry, etc. we are left with:

Kobe and Lamar vs Bowen and Ginobili.

You guys really think you have the advantage there? You must be smoking with metalandganja.

Let me put it to you this way. A 10 and an 8 are greater than a 9 and a 6.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clearly you have the edge with Kobe vs. Bowen and Odom vs. probably whoever we guard him with. Don’t get hurt because people don’t think your bench is better than the Spurs bench. Our depth is one of our strengths. Like I said before, Vladimir would be so far down our bench that he’d be wearing Hugo Boss, yet somehow he starts for you guys.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think our bench is better, I don’t know where you got that one. As usual you are the one blogger here that just spews unsubstantiated crap and plays it off as truth. And READ MY RESPONSE TO YOUR STUPID POST FROM 6:23pm today. Apparently you did not or you would not have repeated your ridiculous claim again…

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well maybe if you could follow a thread, you wouldn’t have such trouble.

It is hilarious that you are on here begging people to worship the Lakers.

A lot of what is said on here is unsubstantiated (including by you).

Also read my response to your ridiculous response to my well reasoned response….;-)

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am sure if your first and second stringers were not available you would be playing Matt Bonner too….

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lets keep the personal jabs to a minimum, on both parties. i don’t come here to read this BS.

Be respectful when youre on another teams site pslakerfan, otherwise youre no different than every other fairweather fan (and i realize you aren’t one)

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 21, 2008 1:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, alright, I'll chill

For the sake of civility I will chill, but it seems everytime I post, I get a “duh” response from the same guy.

Regardless I will try to limit the “stupids” and “asinines”.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Understandable, but keep in mind that you’re on a SPURS blog. If we weren’t raging homers, we wouldn’t be here. V-dub is family, and we’re all picking the SPURS. You guys are good but even if you were starting 5 Kobes to 2 Jacque Vaughns, our posts would still have some bias.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 21, 2008 1:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know it is a Spurs blog and you are supposed to be homers. That was not my issue. My issue was his comment that Vlad is a starter on the Lakers, but would not be on the Spurs. I explained quite logically that was a function of necessity (injuries) and that no way in hell would he be a starter otherwise. Instead of saying OK, or that makes sense, or my bad, or whatever, he just keeps digging the hole. That was my problem, not the homerism.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 2:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look ps, I explained to you that it would take quite a bit to make Bonner a starter, and that you got a free premier starting post player anyway, so that effectively negates the injury excuse.

Also, many non-spurs sportswriters question why Phil starts Vlad, so don’t get yours garters all furled up.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I grew up in SA, but I’ve lived in Austin since ‘95. I’ve got a soft spot in my heart for Las Palapas puffy tacos, but I can always drive down to SA to get my fix of Tex-Mex. Austin is pretty awesome, but I’m not going to get in your face and go on and on about it.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 20, 2008 10:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post illustrates how awesome this blog is. Regardless of the series’ outcome, I’m going to be entertained.

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

powell is way too enamored with the lakers. i think the NOOCH was a better team all around, but the kobe factor will always give them a chance no matter who they play.

by bones on May 20, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOOCH actually matched up about the same, with Fisher/Radmonivic staying on the 3 pt. line to drain 3’s (Peja, Peterson), a good inside PF presence (Gasol/West), and an athletic defender in the middle who’s offense is putbacks/rebounding/occasional passes inside (Odom/Chandler). The only difference is that when Kobe gets the ball, everyone tries to make him a passer…when Paul gets the ball, everyone tries to make him a scorer. shrugs

by Nixiack on May 20, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is funny that Radmanovic starts on the Lakers. If he were on the Spurs he would be wearing a suit. How is he any better than Matt Bonner?

by VWolf on May 20, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's called injuries, duh?

Radmanovic is third string behind Odom (with healthy Bynum) and Trevor Ariza (also injured). With Bynum and Ariza healthy the Lakers look like this:

PG Fish
SG Kobe
C Bynum
PF Pau
SF Odom

Second string SF is Ariza, followed by Radmanovic.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is Radmanovic any better than Matt Bonner?

They are remarkably similar in height and weight. I think Rad might be a little quicker than Matt Bonner. Especially on the snowboard. Ok, the Lakers will trade the Spurs Bonner for Radmanovic. I will sign off.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You still didn’t answer my question. I shudder to think about the combination of injuries that would be required to make Bonner a starter.

Ariza is supposedly healthy now. So you think they will start him?

BTW, you got Gasol for free in a shady deal so no complaining about injuries, mmmkay?

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK you are officially an idiot and I am done with you. If you cannot simply say “my bad” for your asinine comment about Vlad’s starting role then you are not worthy of my time. Only 5 year olds keep on talking when it is obvious that they were wrong.

As for the answer to your question. Who the hell cares, they both suck.

And according to Phil Jackson Ariza will probably play in Game 1, but no one knows for how many minutes. It is his first game back since January with a broken foot. I assume he will start after a few games, but who knows.

And yes I am still done with you….

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need to get out more often and grow a thicker skin. I didn’t say anything unreasonable, nor did I say anything so outrageous.

It is a sign that the Spurs have more depth that even if Fabricio and a backup SF went down, Bonner would still not be a starter. I am sorry that realization is so tough for you to handle.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey SiMA

Looks like PsL is trying to steal my done with you…. WTF!

He can’t do that on our site… can he? hee-hee.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on May 21, 2008 5:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I caught that too. He’s already on thin ice and now this.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 22, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. Lots of thoughtful analysis. Wish I could do that.

Whatever. I’m going to take a page out of Colbert’s Bible and opine from my gut: Spurs in 6.


God says: “Don’t knock the juju!”

by LatinD on May 20, 2008 8:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the Spurs will take this in 6 too.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just trying to be realistic

But the Spurs winning the series in 6 would require them to win at least 2 games in L.A. It would seem more realistic for them to win in 7. I’m just sayin’.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check your math, yo.

by sungo on May 20, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Math_Happens

The spurs only need to take one in LA and protect their Home court to win in 6.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa there Tiger

Yeah sorry LATimes brother, but that one needed a little proofread before hitting “post”.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dammit

Maybe I should just stop talking now.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 10:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t worry, I don’t let math get in the way of my gut.

If your gut says we need to win two, then don’t let those math nazis tell you otherwise.

by LatinD on May 21, 2008 12:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amazing, God doesn’t do “realistic”.

by LatinD on May 21, 2008 12:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, lost in all the “OMG Lakers Lakers Lakers” love-fest at ESPN, etc. is that the Spurs haven’t lost a home game in the Playoffs either. (I think it’s 12-0 now, dating from last year too).... Last game they lost was Game 1 in Round 1 to the Nuggets last year, and everyone knows the Spurs always ALWAYS take Game 1 in Round 1 as a gimme/no biggie….which is why when they came back vs. the Suns this year, everyone-esp. us at PtR-were like “Whoa OMG!? YAY!!”

So if they win 1 in LA, say 1 of the first 2? They just have to win thier home games. That’s it. So that said, Spurs in 6.

by Nixiack on May 20, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just throwing this out there the last game Spurs lost was Game 4 to Phoenix in the second round. They lost 2 at home and 2 on the road last year.

by r21x on May 21, 2008 12:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the “Road team” to win a playoff series, they need to win just 1 game at the others’ floor, and take care of business at thier end. For the “Home team” to win, they just need to win on thier floor. That seems to be the winning philosophy of Boston, in any case(since they are the opposite of everyone left, and haven’t won a road game yet.)

by Nixiack on May 20, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tomorrow?

I will promise you all one thing. By tomorrow around 9:00 PM Pacific, the tone around here will be alot different, regardless of who wins. It will be nice to have something tangible to discuss instead of all of this abstract prediction crap.

By the way I will be at Staples tomorrow. I will be in upper level 11 th row, about 5 from the top. I will wave, maybe you can see me. LOL.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shout out.

I just want to take this opportunity to give a shout out to our girls this evening. They too beat Phoenix.

http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280520017

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of WNBA

Is it possible for Candace Parker to be the best and hottest player at the same time???? Man that girl can play. Female LeBron. Tall, strong, quick. Made Lisa Leslie look like Kwame Brown.

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

please don’t say she’s a female lebron. that made her less attractive. apologize

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on May 20, 2008 10:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahah

Spurs fan are funny! Would have written “LOL” but I don’t do that kind of thing. In public.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My bad

Bad choice of words. She plays like LeBron, but definitely does not look like him…..

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 11:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah she can ball. She has the total package. She just might save the WNBA.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on May 20, 2008 11:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THANK YOU. Finally something we agree on. I’ve been arguing about this with friends for months. Candace Parker IS a hottie, and I am not ashamed of my crush that involves the WNBA.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 21, 2008 1:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The disparity between Parker and Fisher is HUGE. Fish couldn’t guard Parker four years ago, to the point that PJax had to resort to a “hope” defense, as in “let’s put all five guys in the paint and hope they don’t make any shots.” He was right, then, as Turkoglu, Horry, and Bowen went into the tank, and Ginobili wasn’t the shooter he is today. Plus, those Spurs didn’t have Finley or Barry or Udoka as options.

Now? Parker can shoot it a little, sometimes. He’s better, and Fisher is worse. I still expect Big Chief Triangle to try to clog the lane and make the Spurs prove they can shoot from the outside. Can they? If they do, they win, if not, they lose. To me that’s what this series will come down to.

Regarding Lamar Odom, he reminds me a lot of Shawn Marion. He’s not a go-to guy, but he gets a lot of loose balls and “garbage” buckets. If that comparison is valid, the Lakers are in trouble, because the Spurs would render Marion totally invisible.

I find the argument as to whether the Jazz or the Hornets are better to be kind of bizarre. Who cares? They are obviously pretty close to one another as their regular season records were almost identical. They don’t get to play each other to determine 3rd place in the Western Conference, and I don’t think that the relative difficulty of the previous series will be at all determinative in this series. Different teams match up better or worse against other teams. All that matters is how the Spurs and Lakers match up. And like pslakerfan points out, we’ll see that tomorrow night.

That said, Spurs in 6 :-) If it gets to a game 7, the Spurs would have to play lights out to overcome the zebras on the Lakers’ home floor.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 20, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which really defends Parker

isn’t Fish or Paul. Is the big tall man, with long fat arms below the rim. Like Chandler. Shaq don’t count because is a notorious mummy

by guille on May 21, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marion as Odom

I think that’s a valid comparison, although I think Odom is better at help defense, and is a better passer and ball handler. I don’t really trust either one’s outside jump shot.

I agree with pslakersfan, I want some stuff ammo to gloat about or some stuff to make excuses for.

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 10:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant to compare their overall impact on the team: third wheel that chips in big (~ 18 pts, 10 rebs big) without having to have plays run for him, but with an unfortunate tendency to disappear at times. I agree that Odom is more skilled (though not necessarily “better) than the Matrix.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 20, 2008 11:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odom better not disappear

He’s actually gotten much much better statistically with the addition of Pau Gasol. Once Pau arrived, the scoring burden was off of Odom, so he didn’t have to take shots he was uncomfortable taking anymore. As a result, his field goal is way up post Gasol.

I would crunch the numbers if I had the inclination, but I’ll let the paid guys do that. (also my number-crunching is lacking, if you see the post above where I said that the Spurs have to win 2 in LA to win in 6. Which is wrong.)

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 11:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there’s a good chance that Odom disappears in this series. couple of reasons.

1. Odom haven’t had much playoff experience. There’s word that he disappears in the playoffs. Not sure how true that is but it is true that he hasn’t had the experience.
2. Everyone keeps saying how Odom got better after Pau arrived. So if Spurs D stop Pau (which is a good likelyhood) does that mean Odom will suffer as well? I think so.
3. Spurs team D

This is why I like Spurs chances to advance to the finals. in 6 games.

by hak518 on May 21, 2008 1:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arghhhhhhhhhhh

Man I am so not a gloater, but it is going to be really tough if we win this…..

by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

???

Why would it be tough? Because the population of a Spurs blog thinks their team is going to win? What did you expect? That you would come in here, dazzle us with your logic, and convert us all to Laker fans, or at the very least depress us by making us aware of our impending doom?

I think all reasonable Spurs fans (which means most of the people on this blog) respect the Lakers as a team and think the series will be very tough. We’ve watched our team through the years, including this year, and feel like our championship mettle will help us pull it out.

If you are referring to our belief that Parker will dominate Fisher, well, if that doesn’t happen, gloat away. If Fisher plays Parker to a draw, then I think the Lakers will sweep the series, winning each game by double digits.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 21, 2008 6:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s true, Parker is our key. If he is slashing and doing the things he did in the Pheonix series, then Manu starts slashing, Duncan will catch missed putbacks or they will do give n’ gos with him, etc….it opens a TON of stuff offensively for the Spurs….the opposing team has to start crowding the paint, and since about Game 4 of the NO series, the Spurs have been actually able to consistently hit the outside shot, which will be open(that’s when Manu comes in)....so it all revolves around Parker. If he is going, the Lakers can be downed. If he doesn’t, they very well might win pretty much every game….

by Nixiack on May 21, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PsLakerfan

I feel ya. It’s going to be an “upset” if the Lakers win (Matt’s strikethrough post notwithstanding).

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You guys have a great shot at getting game 1. It could even be a blowout in your favor. The Spurs do not play well without rest, and they had to spend last night in the plane. That does not bode well for them. However, they should be toughened by the series against the Nooch. I know that they are going to actually try and steal one of the first two games in this series. If they don’t get the W tomorrow, they will pull out all the stops in game 2.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hate to steal your thunder as well, but I personally wouldn’t bet on my SPURS Game 1. I agree with Matthew’s points, AND with V-dub that the fatigue and lack of prep will hurt us. But I definately think that the series will be long and hard-fought. I’m picking SPURS in 6 because I am a homer and because I think you massively underestimate the Playoff San Antonio team. We match up extremely well and have the poise and experience edge. It will definately come down to our jumpers falling, and I’m still leary from the Nooch series to call that now. If you beat us over a 7-series, you’ll definately deserve it.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 21, 2008 1:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure

Remember the first game in the Dallas Series in ‘06? We had to fly in from a tough Sacramento play-off to a Sunday morning game. If I remember correctly it was less than 48 hours turn around.

Our boys did it on adrenaline alone. Could happen again.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on May 21, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spurs free throws

Spurs fans – what is your concern about the Spurs’ crunch-time free throw shooting percentage on a scale of 1 to10, 1 being “It doesn’t matter” to 10 being “I think it will lose the series”?

by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 11:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2

Crunch time free throw shooting is not the issue it was 3 years ago. Tony, Tim and Manu can sink them when it counts.

by r21x on May 21, 2008 12:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3

Manu never seems to miss.
Timmy’s having a great season.
TP’s so unclutch at the line.

by LatinD on May 21, 2008 12:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3

It’s not an issue unless the whole team gets into a funk at the line. I heard it’s contagious. Even if they do get into a funk, it’s not an issue for the end of games.

by hak518 on May 21, 2008 1:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2.6

I’m with LatinD on those points, but in an attempt to avoid conforming give them a 2.6

by SgtinManusArmy on May 21, 2008 1:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manu seems to miss a lot of technical freethrows but he makes them when guys are lined up.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 12:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He needs an audience :p

by Nixiack on May 21, 2008 1:16 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tomorrow night

If the Spurs win game 2, I don’t want to hear and “where is pslakerfan now” comments. I will be at the game and I live 2.5 hours from LA so I won’t be home until late, but rest assured I will be back win or lose.

ESPN NBA fastbreak with Jamal Mashburn. Mash said the key to the series was that the Spurs had absolutely no one to deal with Lamar Odom. Vindication!!! Not that I care what Mashburn thinks, but I feel better already.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 1:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I think I read somewhere that Rolando Blackmon likes the SPURS’ chances. Congratulations, add another ESPNer/NBA burn-out to your list of endorsers. The bandwagon of pundits making the safe pick is almost overloaded.

by SgtinManusArmy on May 21, 2008 2:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t even remember who he picked, although from my post it sounds like the Lakers. I was just tooting my own horn because he felt that Odom was the key, as did I.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 2:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you’ve already proven your resiliance and dedication. Don’t worry about explaining your immediate absence “if” we win. We’re all just jealous that you’re getting to go. Let us know the details (in as much unbiased homerism as possible!) when you get back!

by SgtinManusArmy on May 21, 2008 2:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will try to give an un-biased account. This will really piss you off. I don’t even have anyone to go with yet. How pathetic is that. I don’t live in LA and the two Laker fans that I know near me are both not able to go. I have noticed that when I am at the game the officiating always seems worse than when I watch on TV so this may be tough to do. Maybe it has to do with the announcers always trying to be neutral, or the natural mob mentality of the crowd. Who knows?

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 2:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aye, and tell us how the crowd is, etc…I’ve heard the one knock on the arenas in that area are all the celebs that get tickets to go and “be seen” and don’t really get into the games, get the Lakers hyped…I’ve seen some Laker games this year on TV where even the announcers were like “man you can hear a pin drop in this place” and that was after they got Gasol and were winning something like 10 + straight…. That also seemed to happen to the Warriors….a bunch of thier fans were saying that most of the time last year you see thier arena like you saw in the 1st round vs. Dallas…so loud it’d drown out your daughter’s stereo type loud, but this year a lot of “wanting to be seen” people (celebs, etc) started showing up, and the place started to become “the Staples Center v.2”.

by Nixiack on May 21, 2008 2:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will grant you that. The TV fans (front row, etc.) are pathetic. Most are there to be seen and are not real fans (Jack Nicholson notwithstanding). Most seats are corporate owned or owned by movie studios. Actually I got to sit courtside in the Mirage Hotel’s seats last year. Long story, but very cool. Sat right behind the Laker Girls, and I mean right behind as in 2 feet. Anyway the real fans are in the cheaper seats and most are real fans. Unfortunately all we get to see is Chris Rock, Tobey Maguire, etc dressed like they are going to a funeral. Real fans can’t afford $2,300.00 per seat per game. Yeah that is face value, regular season…..Man you guys stay up late in SA.

by pslakerfan on May 21, 2008 2:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The party is over

Any idiot could see that the series will be 4-0 Lakers! Or 5-1 if Cheap Shot or Dirt Bag can put Kobe out of a game.

by TheTruthSquad on May 21, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He predicts the series might go 5-1. Now that would be something to watch!

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the Spurs will win the series in 3 games by a margin of 6 games to 2, with a double overtime victory in game -0.5.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 21, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I told you so

What makes you can win the series when you are ahead by twenty half way through the third quarter and lose by four.?
You seem to forget who was/is the MVP this year. Kobe beat the whole Spurs team by himself in the fourth quarter.

by TheTruthSquad on May 21, 2008 11:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gasol trade

Reading this board-which all in all is a very good blog, by the way-I can’t help but feel the hypocrisy spewing from you guys. You guys cal the Gasol deeal a shady deal when you guys traded brent barry to Seattle, knowing Barry was going to get bought out and re-sign with you guys after a month.

Anyone who says the Gasol trade was shady is just a homer with sour grapes. The Memphis owner is trying to shed salary because he wants to sell the team. So he was interested in getting expiring contracts (kwame), young players (crittenton andmarc gasol) and draft picks (our 2008 and 2010 picks). It’s pretty simple.

by Xodus on May 21, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think anyone on this blog has called the Gasol deal “shady.” I think most of us think it was “stupid.”

It’s hardly hypocrisy to call another team’s front office stupid. I think we all also feel like LA was lucky to be in the right place at the right time. There were a number of articles with comments from surprised GMs around the league stating that they didn’t have a chance to trump the Lakers’ offer, or couldn’t get calls to Memphis returned. Why did Memphis make such a crappy deal so far in advance of the trade deadline? Were they worried the Lakers would pull their offer? Is the best way to rebuild your team by giving away your best player, who is also young, for spare parts and poor first round picks?

The general consensus from all NBA fans is that the Gasol deal was an incredible deal that fell into the Lakers’ lap, but didn’t really make any sense from a basketball perspective. Ironically, the Celtics (Larry Bird in particular) made similar comments two decades ago when the Spurs basically gave the Lakers Mychal Thompson in order to cut costs.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was someone on here who called it a shady deal, and it wasn’t the only one of it’s kind. I’m too lazy to go back and check on who wrote it.

And it’s not a stupid trade if you want to tear everything down. Read my whole post. The Grizzlies owner is trying to sell the team and told his GM to shed salary. So their GM did what he was asked and got the biggest expiring contract he could find (Kwame at 9.1 million), got a young player with potential (Crittenton) a project (Marc Gasol) and two picks.

That’s a better deal than what Vince Carter was traded for.

by Xodus on May 21, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can’t seriously be arguing that Memphis made a good deal for their franchise. I agree with VWolf, just be happy you guys lucked out with the most one-sided trade since the Sixers traded Charles Barkley for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry, and Andrew Lang.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is pretty simple that Memphis could have gotten a lot better picks than that for Gasol. Obviously they wanted to cut salary. They are gutting the program. What most non-Laker fans have a problem with is that they did it in such an irresponsible manner. They traded away a diamond for a lump of coal. There were plenty of GMs out there who would have given Memphis a better deal, and I am talking in terms of future picks and players.

The Barry trade was nothing compared to the Gasol trade and there was nothing shady about it. Seattle cut salary by making the trade and they had to cut Barry to get their roster down to size.

I find it interesting that some Laker fans attempt to make the case that this trade wasn’t unusually unbalanced, and by unusually I mean fucking off-the-wall-crazily. Just be happy that something really weird happened that benefited your team. Maybe it had something to do with West’s influence or maybe it had something to do with general incompetence on the part of the Memphis ownership. Either way your team is very fortunate.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never said it wasn’t a great deal for us. The point I’m making is that it makes sense when you consider what Memphis was after. They didn’t WANT better players, they wanted the biggest expiring contract they could find and that was Kwame. And we threw in our best young prospect (Crit) and two draft picks. The only other teams that had expiring contracts roughly the same size as Kwame’s were Miami, but they couldn’t deal any picks because of the trade for Ricky Davis and didn’t have the young prospects and Blount and Seattle, who wouldn’t be interested in acquiring a high salary player. We’re the only team that had all three things Memphis wanted back because like I said, they didn’t want players they wanted to tear the whole thing down.

And Seattle didn’t need to do the Thomas trade as a way to cut salary because Thomas is an expiring contract. They essentially did the Spurs a favor. Everyone knew they were going to buy-out Barry as soon as the trade went down. That’s the shady deal. The Gasol deal was lopsided, but makes sense for a team in full rebuilding mode. It’s like when the Bulls traded Scotttie Pippen for scraps in 99.

by Xodus on May 21, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK let me spell this out for you. THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN MUCH BETTER DRAFT PICKS THAN THE ONES THEY GOT FROM THE LAKERS.

Is that clear enough? I know, and already mentioned that they were looking for expiring contracts and to gut the program. Please stop acting like Crit and Marc Gasol, and a couple of late picks are worth Paul Gasol’s pinky.

The trade was bizarre and epic. It is Jupiter to the miniature asteroid that is the Barry trade.

To clear things up on the Barry trade. Seattle did save money, even though the trade involved expiring contracts. The contracts they took on were for less than the contract they traded out. It dropped them below the luxury tax threshold and saved them an estimated 2 million. They also got a first round draft pick in 2009. Barry was also the only player who made any sense to waive, who actually could be waived, so your allegations of misconduct (much like Steve Kerr’s) are entirely misguided and incorrect. Only a fool would not have made that trade for Seattle. They saved 2 million and got a draft pick and lost nothing. What is funny is that Memphis got just a little more than Seattle got for Thomas, for a stud like Pau. Can you see the light yet?

BTW, Seattle did save money on the Barry trade. Both contracts were expiring.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 5:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ignore that last sentence. This blog needs an edit feature.

by VWolf on May 21, 2008 5:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're still not getting me....

I never said it was an even trade, but the idea that there was collusion is sour grapes. Did we get a steal? Of course, we did. But if you can’t see that we were the only team that could offer a big expiring deal, send back picks and young players, then I don’t know what to tell you. The only other teams that had expiring deals close to the same size as Kwame’s were Miami (Jason Williams) and Seattle (Thomas). Miami couldn’t offer them picks because of their trade for Ricky Davis and Seattle wouldn’t want a large salaried player like Gasol when they’re in rebuilding mode.

So, all the GMs that were saying they could have offered a better deal are wrong, because Memphis didn’t want better players, they wanted a player like Kwame they could dump.

by Xodus on May 21, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as well as young players and picks. Out of the teams that had the big expiring deals, the Lakers were the only team that could fulfill all 3.

by Xodus on May 21, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody (almost) is saying there was collusion!

We are just annoyed that Memphis’s incompetent front office has turned a pretender into a contender that we as Spurs fans will have to deal with for the foreseeable future. Sour grapes? I guess, but it’s like being in a fantasy league where someone makes a dumb trade that tilts the whole league.

BTW, we are similarly annoyed at our own Spurs for giving Scola away to Houston. You should be too, as you’ll have to deal with Houston in the next few years, but without the gaping hole at the 4 spot.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on May 21, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sentence should read but they couldn’t deal any pciks because of the trade for Ricky Davis and Blount and didn’t have the young prospects.

by Xodus on May 21, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If anything the Barry trade had NO BEARING on the Gasol trade for comparison. The only reason there was scrutiny regarding the Barry trade is because of Jerry Stackhouse’s fat mouth. Otherwise you would have seen the Kidd trade go down a LOT sooner, the Mav’s would not have eaten an additional 11-20 million in salary, and Stackhouse would have been waived 30 days later and back with the Mavs…so it would have essentially been a straight up trade with Kidd and thier other guy for Harris and the Ghost of Keith Van Horn.

That kinda talk is reserved for Mavs/Spurs fans, not Laker/Spurs fans :)

by Nixiack on May 21, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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