Western Conference Finals Preview
I can't believe the series starts tomorrow. I still feel drained and (news flash) I didn't even play. I also didn't sleep on a plane last night. I slept in my bed, underneath a comforter which has no use being used during an Austin spring.
I can't hate the Lakers like I used to. Shaq's gone. Kobe, well, he never riled me up much as a basketball player; plus he's Everyman's Teammate now, starring in affirming weight loss commercials and helping garbage men at the curbs of suburbia. Phil Jackson sits atop a disarming cushion of humility. They still have Derek Fisher, he of point four and a thousand unearned charges, but I don't have the stomach to stir up vitriol for a man with a sick daughter and amazing abs. They're intoxicating. (Actually I've never been drunk so hopefully my editor will fact-check that.) And we know where Robert Horry ended up; still can't believe he's dead alive dead.
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Keys to the series:
1) Tony Parker must utterly destroy Derek Fisher. He must dominate the match-up in a fashion similar to the 2007 Finals. He must continuously get to the basket and exploit the Lakers relative lack of an inside presence. He must make Derek Fisher embarrassed to look his teammates in the eye. Derek Fisher cannot guard Tony Parker. He can't. He musn't. I had musnt in Hamburg once. Really salty.
2) Tim Duncan must thoroughly outplay Pau Gasol. Duncan doesn't have the quicks to guard Odom. Pop just might be zany enough to put him on Radmanovic, but that takes Tim awfully far from the basket he so loves to protect. That leaves only Pau. He must make the Spaniard a poor option on the offensive end. He's got to frustrate him and limit his fast break opportunities.
3) Fatality, Findog, the Detritus that is Robert Horry; somebody has to step up every game and play beyond their means.
4) Bowen needs to defend like he's 31 and not 36.
5) Pop needs to be perfect. Taking two games to put Bowen on Peja is unforgivable. And don't get me started about David West and Duncan.
6) Manu needs to be more Manuer than he's been all playoffs.
You might be looking at this list and thinking "wow, that's a lot of stuff the Spurs have to do to win." Yeah. It is. The Lakers are really good. During the regular season they were 22-4 when Pau Gasol played. Include the playoffs and that becomes 30-6. They're demonstrably a better team than New Orleans.
There's also the matter of schedule. During the playoffs the Spurs are 2-3 in games played on one days rest and 6-1 in games played with more than one days rest. What's the Laker's schedule like? Every single game will be played on one days rest.
Can the Spurs beat the Lakers? Yes. Absolutely. But.
Here's the thing. Four things, actually.
1) I'm not a cheerleader. This blog, for me, isn't about ignoring the Spurs foibles (this is, from a building audience perspective, really dumb). I write about Manu's perfection because he is, in fact, without flaws. And a wizard. And a ninja. He's a ninja-wizard.
2) I'm not a liar. If you ask me what I think about the Spurs I feel compelled to be honest.
3) I don't believe in juju. Whether or not I think the Spurs are going to win affects absolutely nothing. I could say "Spurs in four!" and tell all the Faker-fans to suck it, but, really, what's the point? You think Tony reads this blog and thinks "Well if Matthew think we can do it then well ok alright let's do this thing!?"
4) I hate being wrong. Hate hate hate. Would I rather be right than have the Spurs win? Well maybe. Of course not! How did you know? How dare you even ask?!
Look, I know we just pulled out a tough win in game 7 against New Orleans. Everything was riding on that game and the Spurs came through. Except they didn't. Duncan, Manu and Parker all played badly. The Hornets just played worse. You think for a single second the Lakers are going to lay an egg like that in a game 7? The Lakers would have beaten us by 20.
Lakers in 6. Sorry. Here's to hoping you guys can throw that in my face for the rest of eternity.
(My extra apologies to SiMA, who will have to spend all day Wednesday thinking of ways to counteract the immense about of bad juju I just released into the internets.)
Fuck it. The Spurs have Manu. The Lakers do not. Spurs in 6.
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Manu is more like a ninja pirate wizard. That’s what makes him more Manuer.
Spurs in 6 baby!!!
by hak518 on May 20, 2008 7:05 PM CDT 0 recs
Manuer?
Man that is a great word, kind of sounds like manure. By the way musnt is excellent with crow and ketchup. Wow manuer, musnt, what are we starting a new vocabulary here? Great words actually. I have always loved “waffle”. It sounds fine on it’s own as in “did you drop a waffle”, but said in rapid succession like “waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle” it is just ridiculous. Kind of like describing a penguin walking.
Am I rambling here, sorry…..
By the way nice thread, I like your style (writing that is)
Lakers in 5.
by pslakerfan on May 20, 2008 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs
Manu is going to dunk on the entire Lakers team again.
by beachwood on May 20, 2008 7:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow. Some realism in the strikethrough post.
C’mon Matt have some heart!
Also, your reverse psychology will not work on the Lakers. They will be taking the Spurs very, very seriously, even if Lakers fans like me do not.
Ok, I take the Spurs seriously, but I hope that the Jazz was the toughest opponent they face these playoffs.
As Spurs fans, aren’t you concerned about the Spurs’ performance on the road against the Hornets (except for Game 7, of course)? The Lakers played the toughest regular season road team, took one overtime loss there, and squeaked out a win.
by Amazing_Happens on May 20, 2008 7:33 PM CDT 0 recs
The Hornets are better than the Jazz, that much is clear. I think the Spurs would have beaten the Jazz in 5.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 7:52 PM CDT
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Huh?????
Could you support that claim with a little evidence?
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT
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we beat them in 5 last season
ya i know they are better and more experienced this year, but factor in that the Spur’s defense is better than the Lakers which should counterweight the fact the Spur’s offense is much worse and i think you would have had a similar result. I won’t go with Spurs in 5 I would say in 6 against the Jazz just like the Lakers. I don’t think the Hornets are more talented than the Jazz i just think they are much tougher mentally and have a better coach, play defense, and have a more concrete identity. D-will is the only mentally tough player on the Jazz, the rest of the guys are soft, but still talented.
by staves27 on
May 20, 2008 7:59 PM CDT
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Last season???
And we beat you in 4 in 2001. I don’t see that as evidence.
I would take Deron Williams over Chris Paul everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Yeah I am serious. Assists are such a subjective stat. Fisher averages like 3 assist per game. Does that make him a bad point guard? Not at all. The Laker offense (triangle) does not utilize a traditional point guard at all. If CP3 was on the Lakers he would be a nobody. The Hornets offense is completely centered around CP3. To put it another way he is a system point guard. A very good system point guard obviously.
As far as the rest of the Jazz vs. the Hornets I don’t know, but I can tell you this I would much rather play the Hornets now instead of the Jazz again if I had a choice.
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 8:28 PM CDT
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Well though Deron is a great PG, I doubt any GM would share your opinion. Paul is the hotter PG right now. His PER is an unreal 8 points higher than Deron’s in the regular season and 9 points higher in the playoffs. That’s a huge difference. The gap between West and Boozer is also similarly slanted in the Whornet’s favor (at least for the playoffs).
You are right that the fact that Fisher averages 3 assists per game does not make him a bad point guard. It makes him a mediocre point guard.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 8:34 PM CDT
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thank you vwolf i don't even have to post a response
but i will say that i think the fact that the Jazz team the Lakers just eliminated in 6 being virtually the same (sans one Giricek and add one Ashton Kutcher) as the team the Spurs beat in 5 one year ago is a bit more relevant to our conversation then say the spurs – lakers series in ‘01 or ‘99 or between Magic and the Iceman in ‘82
by staves27 on
May 20, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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Virutally the same?
Jazz this year 54-28, 37-4 Home, 17-24 away
Jazz last year 51-31, 31-10 Home, 21-21 away
I guess, but they were much better at home this year. And, I hate to add the cliche, this year they played in the “toughest Western conference ever”.
by Amazing_Happens on
May 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT
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yes virtually the same
other than a very nice posting of a 3 game differential in wins/losses do you have any other evidence that they aren’t virtually the same team – but yes i will concede to your cliche that it was the toughest western conference ever. But i doubt, and i’m sure Hollinger would agree with me, that a 3 game improvement in the win column would statistically have little to do with whether this team was better than last years but more so with luck or getting the benefit of wins in close games that could have gone and would go the other way in other years. its the same damn team because they have the same damn players playing at about the same level. so that = virtually the same.
by staves27 on
May 20, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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Hollinger????
I was waiting for someone to bring that idiot up. Mr. PER doesn’t know shizzit about basketball and all real fans know that.
LeBron got one first place MVP vote. Guess who that was from? Hollinger, that’s who, why? Because of his PER.
What a joke. For the love of all things good in this world don’t ever use Hollinger to make a point.
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 10:00 PM CDT
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besides saying “all real fans know that” can you give me any factually based evidence why Hollinger can’t be trusted. He picked the Spurs last year when no one else was. I don’t think his stats and formulas are golden but i do believe they are relevant factors when determining the ability of a player or team. anyways until you Laker boys give us something other than your homer opinion, well then we really can’t have much of a discussion
by staves27 on
May 20, 2008 10:11 PM CDT
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I'm all homer, baby! And Hollinger is just another fan, no better no worse!
Cmon, you don’t really want objective discussions, do you? Why would we be on a sports board then?
I think we both know this is going to be a good series, because neither side is declaring a sweep or anything less than 5 games. I wouldn’t even dare do that, except maybe after 6 red bulls and 5 viewings of the last San Antonio-Los Angeles meeting that GINOBILI did not play in.
And yes, Hollinger’s opinions are no better because they are backed by statistical evidence. Basketball “stats” are the worst data ever to use for analysis. It would be like using some kind of “stats” for soccer. Actually, they are somewhere between baseball and soccer – which is still unreliable.
By the way, Hollinger picked the Lakers in 5, so how’s that for your “homer opinion”?
by Amazing_Happens on
May 20, 2008 10:22 PM CDT
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Oops
I guess “anything less than 5 games” would be a sweep. I meant that no one is saying on either side, “5 games or fewer”. Except Hollinger.
by Amazing_Happens on
May 20, 2008 10:24 PM CDT
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i was just about to bring up the fact that he picked you in 5 so i didn’t know why pslakerfan was hating, but whatever. ok fine i will expect no objective analysis and will combat subjective with even more subjective. Spurs in 6 why…
1. Kobe will take as many shots as he will score points
2. Odom will miss key free throws plus he’s a pansy and you in lala land know that
3. Pau’s a pansy
4. and finally the stupid spurs clock guy this time will start the clock on time so Fisher can’t do the humanly impossible thing of catching, turning around, fading away, and shoot in under half a second – btw i bet they show that damn replay at least 17 times this series, i’m already getting sick
by staves27 on
May 20, 2008 10:27 PM CDT
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What is objective?
1. I hope Kobe is past this phase. As Doug Collins would not let us forget, Kobe’s “points per shot” has been remarkably high these playoffs. I can only recall two times these playoffs that Kobe took more than 25 shots, and one was and overtime game.
2. Odom missing key free throws scares me, too, but man he hit some big ones last game against Utah. I don’t think he is a pansy.
3. Pau could be a pansy, but he’s a really good one. And he can shoot free throws. I think Spurs fans should actually be the ones worried about free throws, especially if the games are close. I don’t watch too many Spurs games when they’re not playing the Lakers, but Duncan and Parker seem to miss more than their share. Correct me if I’m wrong.
4. I still can’t believe Fish hit that shot. Then again, I still can’t believe Duncan made the shot before that one. And I’m sure the clock guy wasn’t exactly on cue at some other points in the game.
by Amazing_Happens on
May 20, 2008 10:34 PM CDT
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“And I’m sure the clock guy wasn’t exactly on cue at some other points in the game.”
Yeah, I am sure he didn’t start the clock on time on an inbounds early in the second quarter, and as a result nothing changed. What is your point?
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:02 AM CDT
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The blogs must be crazy!!!
I don’t even know where to start.
1. Kobe scored 333 points on 212 shots in WCSF. That’s 1.57 points per shot. Ginobili by contrast scored 1.34 points per shot.
2. Odom made 2 clutch freethrows to put away Jazz.
3. Pau is skinny, not a pansy. A pansy is a flower, like the ones the Spurs will be picking on vacation in 2 weeks (or sooner).
4. You are still bitching about .4? Seriously man get over it. You know you have watched that 100 times and the clock started right on time. What you really mean is that it should have started early, right?
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 11:05 PM CDT
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please
it’s physically impossible to catch a ball, gather it in your hands, turn your body, and shoot all within .4 seconds. yep it was long ago, but please don’t pull crap outta your ass.
gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.
by metalandganja on
May 21, 2008 7:32 AM CDT
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Yes I can.
Like I said, he picked LeBron as MVP. Second he picked Utah to win the championship based solely on his playoff predictor. Of course after he saw the Lakers kick the shit out of Denver he changed his mind against the advice of his computer.
And homer opinions are flying all around here so leave the “holier than thou” crap outside. According to most of you the Spurs own every single matchup in the series. I guess we are talking 4-0 Spurs sweep by triple digits each game (at least according to most of your predictions).
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 10:54 PM CDT
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I can have a “holier than thou” attitude b/c I’m not distorting the facts. I am also not one to have “homer opinions.” Ask anyone here. I’m the stick in the mud negative guy.
by Matthew Powell on
May 20, 2008 11:04 PM CDT
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Did I say you had the “homer opinions”? No I said they were flying around so there is no point in commenting about it. And who is distorting the facts???? If you are talking about the Paul vs. LeBron thing, that is a mistake, not a distortion. Assuming you are right and he flip flopped again.
My original point was simple. Hollinger is full of crap. Period.
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 11:09 PM CDT
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My fault, I thought you replied to my post.
by Matthew Powell on
May 20, 2008 11:14 PM CDT
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I thought you might have thought that as I realized I was not talking to you. No problem. Great blog by the way, I love the layout with comments and then replies. Laker blog, while great content, is really slow to react. Each post must be checked and does not show up for up to 2 hours. Kills the conversation if you know what I mean.
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 11:34 PM CDT
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Forget stats and Hollinger then and just look at the Jazz and the Whornets in the playoffs of 2008. I don’t see how a rational fan could say that the Jazz are the stronger team. I am sorry but it’s not like the Jazz ran into a Lakers buzzsaw defense. They just did not look as good as the Whornets.
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:13 AM CDT
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Offense
I believe it was a buzzsaw offense actually…..
By the way if the Lakers are really THAT good then it makes sense that the Jazz would look worse by comparison. I guess it is just perspective. Did the Jazz suck and the Hornets were good or are the Lakers just better than the Spurs. I guess we will answer that one in the next two weeks. I don’t think I sound “irrational”.
And for the record the Hornets played you guys to a draw before game 7 and they did not even show up until the last 3 minutes of that one.
Not exactly the greatest game the Spurs ever played.
by pslakerfan on
May 21, 2008 1:02 AM CDT
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You missed the point. The Jazz looked bad on offense, and it wasn’t because of the Lakers (defense or offense). Carlos Boozer played giant monster turd of a series. If the Jazz could have cloned West and replaced Boozer with him, then maybe the teams would have looked about as powerful…er well then they’d also have to get a defensive beast at the 1 like Chandler.
Don’t be looking for the “greates game ever” when you are talking about Spurs playoff victories. That criticism is as tired as the day is long. The Spurs just win playoff games. It may not look pretty to the uninitiated, but they are playing beautiful, smart basketball, and winning at a high rate.
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:08 PM CDT
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Matchups
I think the Jazz would be a better challenge for LAL than for SAS. On the other hand, however, I think the LAL might have an easier time w/NOOCH than with Utah. But who knows?
by Gino20 on
May 22, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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”. According to most of you the Spurs own every single matchup in the series. I guess we are talking 4-0 Spurs sweep by triple digits each game (at least according to most of your predictions).”
What posts are you reading? Are you high? I haven’t read anything like that here.
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:03 AM CDT
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I guess you are not reading the comments then, because you guys have given yourselves the advantage at every position so far…..
by pslakerfan on
May 21, 2008 1:06 AM CDT
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I am reading the comments. I haven’t read one post that said the Spurs had the advantage at every position. Please point out the post you are talking about.
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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Actually, Hollinger voted for Paul, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument.
I find it hilarious how Spurs fans belittle Hollinger at every opportunity, considering he was saying Ginobili was a top ten player long before any one else on ESPN.
by Matthew Powell on
May 20, 2008 10:35 PM CDT
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I’ve always thought he was the best ESPN had to offer. I was just surprised that he picked LA in 5. His “numbers” are only telling him we’re gonna win 1. Ouch.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on
May 20, 2008 10:47 PM CDT
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Here is Hollinger's rational...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3405622&name=hollinger_john
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on
May 20, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
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hmmmmmmmmm
Not sure about that one. I have not seen the final vote, but a week before he said LeBron would get his vote because of his PER. In fact he ranked them and had Kobe 4th. Of course maybe he flip-flopped like he did on the Jazz…...LOL. Just another reason Hollinger is an idiot…..
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 10:55 PM CDT
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Hollinger's vote
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=MVP08-Hollinger
1.Paul 2.KG 3.LBJ 4.Kobe
Which is still redonkulous.
by Amazing_Happens on
May 20, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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I find it ridiculous to get hot and bothered about who any sportswriter voted for MVP, provided that player is in the consensus top 5. Why waste time on that? You can make an argument for any of them. Kobe won it finally so you should enjoy it. Did you expect it to be a unanimous decision? Just be thankful that it wasn’t a pity MVP like Malone’s.
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:06 AM CDT
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he picked the spurs as champs before last year’s playoffs when most analysts were saying dallas or phoenix.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're alright.
by kalone on
May 20, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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Forget about the home records in the playoffs. It is one thing to protect the homecourt in the regular season and another thing to do it in the playoffs when all the chips are on the line. Champions can win on the road. Maybe the Celtics will miraculously prove me wrong this season, but I doubt it, and if they do it will be a fluke.
The Jazz at home in the playoffs aren’t tougher than the Whornets at home in the playoffs. Both of their fans go apeshit during the playoffs. It makes no difference that the Jazz fans went apeshit in the regular season while Whornets fans quietly sipped hurricanes. It is now the playoffs and the Jazz are not nearly as tough as the Whornets.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 11:58 PM CDT
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Again with the unsubstantiated theories again. Whatever man, think what you may, after all fan is just short for fanatic.
by pslakerfan on
May 21, 2008 1:08 AM CDT
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So you want me to scientifically prove that? Doesn’t it make sense to you intuitively? If you are any sort of basketball fan you should understand what I am talking about.
Jazz games have a playoff atmosphere even in the regular season, giving them a regular season homecourt advantage. However, road games are generally hard in the playoffs (fans around the league go nuts), and thus the relative advantage that the Jazz displayed at home during the regular season, is negated (pay careful attention to the use of the word relative).
I firmly believe that the Spurs would have easily handled the Jazz in 5. History and analysis supports this belief.
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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The Spurs have a long history of owning the Jazz.
Also, it is readily apparent that the Hornets are a better team than the Jazz. The Hornets starters are massively better than the Jazz at 2 key positions. It is about a draw on 2 other positions, and the Jazz have a better player at only 1 unimportant position.
Paul (PER 30.37) > Deron (PER 21.42). West (PER 21.50) > Boozer (13.89). Chandler (PER 15.67) ~ Okur (PER 16.29). Peja (PER 13.37) ~ Kirilenko (PER 13.64). Mo Pete (PER 11.33) < Brewer (PER 17.06).
So the Jazz have the Hornets at the 2, but on both teams that position is the least important one on the floor and it’s not like it’s a massive advantage or anything (nothing that would counter the Paul/Deron, West/Boozer gaps).
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 8:13 PM CDT
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Don’t know why those stats did not show up, but basically the Jazz are slightly better at the 2 with Brewer > Peterson, and the other three positions are basically a wash.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 8:14 PM CDT
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Should say “other two positions”
Damn, sorry for the sloppiness.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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Deron is stronger and more efficent but not as creative as Paul. Boozer and West is a wash. Jazz have a better team concept but there’s no one on the Jazz team who can cover Duncan One-on-One like Chandler can. That makes all the difference.
by hak518 on
May 20, 2008 8:23 PM CDT
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Boozer played like ass this entire playoffs, credit the Laker D some, but there is no way that the Lakers would have held West to such poor shooting.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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every time I read something that has absolutely no proof/truth to it, it ends with “by VWolf” Strange how that keeps happening
by pslakerfan on
May 21, 2008 1:09 AM CDT
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What kind of proof are you looking for smacktard? We are talking about hypothetical situations. West was practically unguardable in many games this playoffs. Boozer looked like a rookie. He took horrible shots and made poor decisions. Are you a bandwagon Laker fan?
by VWolf on
May 21, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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That was fun to read
I do agree the spurs didn’t have there best game, and tony parker has the best chance of taking advantage of the lakers defense. I just hope manu keeps spinning and blowing layups like the last game I saw him in.
Shaq:"The kobster, he's an assassin" Answer for who should be mvp.
by ldeep on May 20, 2008 7:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Yes, I know, there's an infestation of us now
But it can’t be helped. Damn fine blog you guys got here.
Here are thoughts I have regarding the series.
- I want to, want to, WANT to believe all the talk the spurs are old. I wanted to when NO took them to seven games….and the the seventh game happened, and I can no longer call them washed up. at all. this will not be easy.
-This will really come down to the genius of two coaches. Pop and Phil are the two best in the game now, easy, hands down, no question. Should make for a very intricate chess game.
-You guys need to hope and pray that LO stops playing like he has been. We need to hope and pray that Pau plays a HELL of a lot better then he has beemn. He hasn’t had a post prescence to face in the series yet, and he’s not been that great. (And ANYONE who calls Boozer a post presence needs to stop. NOW.)
-The Lakers bench is better then your bench.
-Except when they aren’t. ::sigh::
-If Sasha OR Vlad gets hot, then that’s normal. IF both get hot, then you’re in trouble. If Luke Discovers his outside shot? Say goodbye now, cause it’s over.
-If NO ONE produces from our bunch, you guys will kill us. Seriously.
-Over/under on the amount of times Bowen goes for the pinkie? I’m going to place it at 7. PER GAME.
-Between Pau, Fish, Sasha, Manu, and the entirety of the Spurs bench, this series will be FLOPTASTIC.
-there is a VERY good chance that Tony will DESTROY us.
-There is another very good chance that Timmah will go aboslutely bonkers and send Pau crying back to memphis. Seriously. That man scares me.
-I’m not sure that Pop starting Manu is the best strategy here….you think Kobe’s going to give him an INCH right off the bat?
-You should be very, very afreared of the fact that Kobe is THIS CLOSE to the Finals. That’s terrifying. You think he will let ANYONE stop him? That’s also trerrifying to us, cause if he takes over for times longer then half a period, we will not fare well.
-Lakers have Kobe. Spurs do not. Lakers in 6.
by LakerfanJeff on May 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT 0 recs
I agree............sort of.
I think the mistake that Spurs fans are making is twofold. First I really think the Parker/Fisher gap will be much closer than you think, and second I think Odom is going to have a really, really good series. I may be wrong and I don’t pretend to know how this series will go, but after reading a few posts here I think you guys are really off on those two. As for Pau and Duncan? Who knows? Duncan averaged 19.3/13.3/2.7 against Shaq and Chandler. Pau averaged 20/8.6/4.5 against Boozer and Camby. Sounds alot closer than people here are making it out to be. Time will tell
by pslakerfan on
May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT
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chandler and shaq are far better defensively than boozer and camby. I dont know how if pau gets double teamed much, but Duncan got those numbers against NOOCH when he was constantly doubled except for one game (as far as i can remember).
boozers defense is fouling, and camby’s defense….he’s on denver, right? yeah he doesn’t play D.
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on
May 20, 2008 7:57 PM CDT
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I loves me the pau....
But compared to Shaq and Chandler? Boozer and Camby are pre-schoolers. Not in the same league.
by LakerfanJeff on
May 20, 2008 8:01 PM CDT
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chandler is the best defender among the 4 bigs mentioned. fat-daddy may be second. boozer isnt much for defense. either way, there is a signifiant drop off from chandler to those two. i have never seen more over-rated one on one defender than marcus camby. he’s lazy, gambles too often and has poor footwork – oh yeah and he’s often out of position.
it is true that gasol gave tim some problems last time they played, but more than a few people have had good games against tim in the regular season.
i do agree about lamar odom. which odom shows for the lakers will be a key to the series for sure. this will be the responsibility of oberto/thomas/horry.
by bones on
May 20, 2008 8:01 PM CDT
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The Parker/Fisher gap is huge. You just played two poor defensive teams, and now you think Flopper got game. He doesn’t.
Odom is a choke artist, and it will take a strong performance in THIS series to prove otherwise. I really like our chances if he is throwing up his patented zero-rotation J.
You have to look at more than the stats to compare Duncan and Pau. Yes Pau is a fine player, but he is no Tim Duncan. Also, it wasn’t just Chandler going against Tim. It was West, Paul, Peja, Mo Pete, and those bad crawfish he ate that were all messin with his game.
by VWolf on
May 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
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I just don’t see Pau being effective vs Duncan unless he stretches the floor and knocks down some jumpers. And I don’t see Fisher staying in front of Tony. Especially since Tony just played 7 games vs Paul. Guarding D Fish will seem like Fisher moving in slow-mo after guarding CP3. I see KT really giving Odom fits in the paint like he did when he was with Phx. I see Kobe showing all of the Kobe haters why he was the MVP this season. The guy is simply amazing. I see Manu rising to the challenge. I see Pop picking up the pace of this series and attacking the paint relentlessly. We are going to see TONS of free throws this series. I also see him giving Kobe the Lebron 2007 finals treatment. Let Kobe get his, stop everyone else.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on
May 20, 2008 8:09 PM CDT
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My #1 Key
Timothy Theodore Duncan. Duncan has to be a beast in this series. I’m talking 24/15/4/3. If he wants that 5th chip bad enough, he will put up numbers like that.
I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on
May 20, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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Hamer_SpursFan is right, Duncan was the focal point of the entire D from NOOCH, constantly double/triple teamed. The NOOCH was going to be darn sure that Duncan wasn’t the one beating them. If you just take the Spurs/Suns series, Duncan avg. like 28/15/3. He still almost avg. 20/14 with a Defense solely intent on taking him out. I dare say Pau cannot do the same.
And it’s true, Boozer’s D consists of fouling a lot, and Camby is NOT a good defensive player. His blocks come on help defense, and he rebounds so much because they miss so much. I still don’t get how he won DPOY the other year…it still boggles me. Kobe is a much better defender, and that’s saying a lot coming from a Spurs fan.
by Nixiack on
May 20, 2008 8:16 PM CDT
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Marcus Camby is the most overrated defender in the league. Even Denver fans will tell you he isn’t anything special on defense.
I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on
May 20, 2008 8:19 PM CDT
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Anyone can get blocks when teams are consistently driving to the basket on your team due to lack of D. Camby’s D is very overrated.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on
May 20, 2008 8:22 PM CDT
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i always knew the defensive POY award was lame, but it turned downright insulting when they gave it to camby. garnett getting it this year wasnt as scandalous, but it still wasnt great. its worse than gold glove in baseball.
by bones on
May 20, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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i thought there was more to do in California than just sit around and blog all day
we have an excuse to do so here in south texas, its hot, muggy, and boring (except for all you pretentious Austinites who think that you are God’s gift to Texas because you got to live in Austin for 4 years when you went to college and now are “enlightened” to what its like to live in a “real” city) whatever i digress. I don’t have time to get into all of this but the Parker/Fisher gap is as big as Parker wants to make it. All Fisher has on Parker are 6 fouls (just like he had on D-will) and his 3 point shot which happens to be the most on its ever been. But Parker is much faster and craftier than D-Will and unlike ‘04 when the Lakers geared there whole defense to stop Parker’s penetration (and it worked) they don’t have the diesel to clog up the middle but the notoriously soft (and Lakers fans don’t even try to concoct some weird random evidence that Pau’s not soft) Gasol and Odom. Gasol an ok shot blocker but he’s not a defense stopper nor much of a shot alterer and can’t fill the lane like the now “big cactus”. I will say that Pau’s length and quickness have given Timmy trouble in the past, but how well has that bode for Pau in the post against playoff Timmy, um not well as the Spurs swept the Griz. Anyways Timmy should, i repeat should eat Pau alive on the offensive end, and Tim can contain him as long as Pau doesn’t get out running then Timmy may have trouble.
On the other hand i do concede the bench edge to the Lakers, except if the Spurs can get the type of contribution from their bench like they did last night, then the bench gap will be a lot closer than people think
i think it will come down to 4 things
1. can the Spurs control the tempo – if the games are in the 100’s the Lakers will win ( i do think the Spurs can win a game or two playing the Lakers style but not the series)
2. can the Lakers play defense – there is nothing you Lakers fans can say that will make me believe ya’ll even think about considering playing defense
3. Kobe Bryant – he’s never been this close on his own before and even though no one will defend him as well as bruce and ime i still fear him
4. this is a given as always – tony, tim, and manu
by staves27 on
May 20, 2008 8:21 PM CDT
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you're right
i’m a total austin snob. but i’ve been here since ‘84, so… yeah!! ha!
gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.
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May 20, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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