Quick note
This isn't about the Spurs...
I don't approve of the use of "pussy" game. I find it offensive. I understand that this may sound odd to people, considering the incredibly foul language I use, have used and will continue to use.
I have tremendous respect for Michael's written voice I'm not going to censor his (or anyone else's) use of the word. I would prefer we remove it from our PtR vocabulary. However, the point of this post is to simply voice my dissent. I still (foolishly) feel somewhat responsible for all the words posted here.
ok. Now everybody get back to talking about game 5.
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the word itself? or the concept? i mean, is “the vagina game” equally offensive?
gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.
by metalandganja on
Apr 29, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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I am going to assume you’re being serious. The “vagina game” would be equally if not more offensive.
by Matthew Powell on
Apr 29, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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yeah, you assumed correctly, i was being serious.
that was my question—was it the use of a vulgar slang term or the association of a poor performance to the female genitalia? and you answered it! thanks!
and to take advantage of the vaginal tone of this thread, i’ll think to the following at amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Alt-Press-Crayons/dp/B00181S3MC/ref=sr_1_54?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1209437472&sr=1-54
gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.
by metalandganja on
Apr 29, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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golf clap
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
by kalone on
Apr 29, 2008 6:24 PM CDT
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is “vagina” offensive in all cases? I mean, wouldn’t it be valid to write “Ray Allen fell down, and sprained his vagina”? I’m confused…
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by rick.2g on
Apr 29, 2008 11:44 PM CDT
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I thought the exact same thing here. I have no problem banning the “P” word because it’s vulgar and classless. But it IS just so much fun and so on point to refer to Ray Allen as a vagina; it never gets old. I’ll abstain out of respect for Powell though. Definately need to come up with more unique terms to fill the vaccuum now.
Is “boobies” still allowed?
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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Agree
Also acceptable is “Ray Allen is a Va-jay-jay”
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by CMoney on
Apr 30, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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i agree
My wife hates the word pussy used in that context. As in why should a reference to that denote weakness. She’s pretty feminist. That being said, I’ve heard the word escape her mouth on a rare occasion in certain situations. She says this is because sometimes that word just fits better than any other. Meaning, in our society that word in that context describes what we mean better than any other, regardless of whether or not it should. Also, it’s never ok if I use it.
by bduran on
Apr 29, 2008 5:29 PM CDT
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I agree as well based on the clarification
I hadn’t really thought of it in that way, but I guess it would be as offensive as calling it the ‘faggot game’ would be to gay men such as myself. Point to Powell for being a sensitive and forward thinking person.
by AusTechSpur on
Apr 29, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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On that point, and I want to be clear that I ask this out of true respect, another question arrises-
Is it offensive for me to say, “That’s gay” when referring not to a specific person or lifestyly choice, but an event? It’s a pretty common phrase in today’s culture and I don’t think it’s offensive if not used in a derogatory or specific way, but I’m not qualified to make that judgement.
Either way regardless of answer, I probably shouldn’t say it since I’m not 12.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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Depends...
...on who you ask. But, I would say yes. Because when you say “that’s gay” what you are really doing is associating it with homosexuals as if something to do with homosexuals is bad. Whether it is common or not is more or less besides the point.
Think of it this way, when you say a phrase think about what essence you are trying to capture. If it is something negative, and that negative can be associated with a group then it is offensive.
For instance, if you saw your buddy walk out in a pink shirt and you said, “that’s gay” that would/could be construed as offensive because the essence of what you are saying is that pink shirt makes you look like a gay man, and when you are saying it you aren’ t meaning it as a compliment.
by AusTechSpur on
Apr 30, 2008 11:27 PM CDT
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proposal
First , the joke…”dick game”?
Now, seriously, we can talk about a “lazy game” or being, hopefully not too much, optimistic a “pity game”.
by raft on
Apr 29, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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how bout the shit sandwich game?
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by Windex40 on
Apr 29, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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Several years back there was a series of animation clips making fun of VH-1’s Behind The Music. It was called Behind The Music that Sucks. They did about 40 of them. My two favorite were Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.
In the Ted Nugent filmette, he’s talking about how he was a drunk and his life “was like a shit sandwich with no bread, and extra shit. And pickles.”
So, I vote for “The Shit Sandwich”. No need to even put ‘game’ on the end. Just, that game was a shit sandwich.
by AusTechSpur on
Apr 29, 2008 7:18 PM CDT
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I like the annotated version “The Shit Sandwich”... I’m glad we could come to a compromise here I feel like a senator or somethin… or maybe what I imagine a senator does… ok I’m gonna stick to chemistry and watching the Spurs
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by Windex40 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:51 PM CDT
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or the hot, hairy, steaming dump game or just for the hell of it the “poopy” game
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
by Windex40 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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ok I’m done… sorry
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
by Windex40 on
Apr 29, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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how about the fumundah game? as in, that game stunk like shaq’s fumundah.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
by kalone on
Apr 29, 2008 7:08 PM CDT
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No problems here. From now on it’s The Spurs Suck Ass As Usual Midseries Game.
by LatinD on
Apr 29, 2008 7:52 PM CDT
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"potty" might also work...
umm… how ‘bout the py game? If you want, you could pretend that it means “party” game. As in, “the Spurs were out all night pying last night, so they were all dehydrated during the game.”
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by rick.2g on
Apr 29, 2008 11:40 PM CDT
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hey… I just got censored. I wrote p-asterik-asterik-asterik-y. Are asteriks banned on this board?
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by rick.2g on
Apr 29, 2008 11:41 PM CDT
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hmmm… that, or it bolds it. Man… it was a bad joke to begin with, but it really sucks now.
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by rick.2g on
Apr 29, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
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ok… Idea #4 – we call it the “frenchy” game?
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by rick.2g on
Apr 29, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
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How about proverbial Knick like game. Understood by all and takes a shot at a franchise that no one likes.
by r21x on
Apr 30, 2008 12:03 AM CDT
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Tough call on this one. Very descriptive true. But I’ve never seen us quit at the opening tip. I think it might be more of an insult to our team than the original is to women.
by AusTechSpur on
Apr 30, 2008 12:42 AM CDT
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I hardly contribute to this blog, and I’m all for the elevation of language, but hasn’t pussy been used for quite some time to describe someone who is weak? Is that usage a direct result from the usage to describe the vag? M-W attributes the origin of pussy to old German and Scandanavian for a word to describe a pocket or the vulva. I try to avoid using the word entirely, but I believe that while a word can have two normative meanings that doesn’t mean those meanings are correlated.
Can the term still be applied to a WNBA game? j/k
by Jason Roberts on
Apr 30, 2008 2:39 AM CDT
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Can we still say?
We can still say Fuck, right? Just wanted to make sure.
by pollackj on
Apr 30, 2008 3:28 AM CDT
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Imho
I am convinced that this blog [especially with the talent that is here] could be wildly popular, but the coarse and vulgar language keeps people away in droves.
by 4Him on
Apr 30, 2008 7:22 AM CDT
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But then again, would we want those people here?
by Hipuks on
Apr 30, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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The cool atmosphere here is due in large part to people being relaxed, not caring if someone drops a an f-bomb here or there. If what keeps people away from a blog is a few “bad” words, do you want uptight people like that here?
by Hipuks on
Apr 30, 2008 8:19 PM CDT
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Don't miss the point
Powell isn’t saying any particular word is offensive. It is when that word is used as negative connoting adjective to describe something and the negative connoting part can be offensive to some group of people.
On the other hand, 4Him seems to have a good point as well. I’ll try to minimize my own vulgarities which will be tough during the playoffs.
by AusTechSpur on
Apr 30, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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I pledge as well to minimize any cursing or vulgarities. I usually don’t struggle unless our big 3 is on the floor and Bruce takes a running jumper with 19 left on the shot clock; but none-the-less, the quality and depth of writing should be good enough to capture the emotion of the moment without resorting to foul language.
The girlfriend always makes fun of my nerdiness and my devotion to my ‘PtR family;’ I don’t want to offend any of my brothers or sisters. Nothing but love here amidst all the teasing and joking. Offending others is best saved for other fan bases.
That said, I can’t stop using ‘Sonofabitch’ and ‘bastard.’ Those words are just too funny to me.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Good to know I’m not the only one that catches flack from my girl for being on PtR while watching the game. You would think my first name is Dork as much as I hear it
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by Windex40 on
Apr 30, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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here too.
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by rick.2g on
Apr 30, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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I’m impartial either way..I have no problem being vulgar or refined; so I try to be more refined in my posts!
by adam8065 on
Apr 30, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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Philosophically I disagree.
This is a blog. The whole point of a blog is that we can write things and express ourselves in a way the mainstream media cannot. We have no civil contract with the public as far as the words we use and the ideas we express and we are self-policing.
I think Buck Harvey, Mike Finger and Jeff McDonald (and before them, Johnny Ludden) couldn’t tell their readers 99% of the things they wish they could. They couldn’t do it and keep their jobs. I’m sure they’d like to share little nuggets like Kurt Thomas looks even weirder in person and sometimes there is a profanity-laced screaming match between players and coaches or between player A and player B.
A blogger has no worries about such things because he has no job to keep and no access to respect. We write what we think and feel and often we write for effect. The point is to give you something different that an official newspaper person cannot.
I cover an MLS team, the San Jose Earthquakes, for my local paper. If you think that job is as “fun” as writing about the Spurs on here, you’re insane. I get to hang out at press boxes and locker rooms and talk to the coach and the players, but it’s pretty boring, to tell you the truth. It’s hard to get excited about a bunch of mediocre athletes smaller than you. And if I ever see something interesting, I mostly keep it to myself.
Look, the point of the matter is that we’re adults. Adults use adult language. The coaches swear, the players swear, everyone swears. The quotes they give the media aren’t the way they speak regularly, they’re just not and it’d be silly to pretend otherwise. More to the point, WE swear. Every single one of us, watching the games, swear. Or we think swear words. Hell, we often swear when we’re happy.
When I write, I am just trying to express the thoughts and feelings I have at the time. I’m trying to keep it real. So if I write that the Spurs are playing like a “bunch of fucking pussies” it doesn’t mean I’m disrespecting women, wimpy men, homosexuals, whatever. It means I’m disrespecting the Spurs. Those 15 guys and their coaches. That’s all I’m talking about.
I think when we start debating about which bad words are acceptable on a blog and which ones aren’t, we get on a slippery slope and this whole thing looks very formalized and boring. We got along quite nicely the whole year with the standard no racial/no gay/no religion/no grossly pornographic rule. (I might have violated that last one once or twice).
Adding new rules in the middle of the playoffs? Fuck that.
by Aaronstampler on
Apr 30, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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First of all, no rule has been added. Secondly, the PtR standard has always included nothing sexist or degrading to women. You/others call it the “pussy” game because the Spurs played like a bunch of weak-ass chumps. The use of the word in this context infers a weakness and a lessness about women that offends me and may offend countless women (were more than 3 women to read this site). I have no doubts that you do not intend any disrespect to women, but in my opinion the word is clearly disrespectful to them. I choose not to censor the word (and instead just register my objection) b/c it does not have the connotation of being used as a slur towards women. I would definitely have censored “cunt game,” “faggot game” or “bitch game.”
by Matthew Powell on
Apr 30, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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I disagree on "Bitch"
I’m going to disagree with censoring “bitch”. I would say that the term bitch is more of a universal term. It can be used to describe something of value or cool status “Man that Spurs championship ring is bitchin”. It can be used to describe difficulty “Man that first round was a bitch”. It can be used in reference to whining “Suns fans, quit your bitching”. It can also allude to a total collapse “Man those Mavericks sure bitched out of the playoffs”. It can be used to describe a female dog and of course can be used as a derogatory statement towards women. Obviously by saying “Bitch game” when referring to the WNBA would be extremely offensive and completely unacceptable. However, I have no problem referring to the Spurs collapse as a “bitch game” because in no way is it being used as a derogatory statement towards women. I also have no problem using “son of a bitch” and “Let’s roll these bitches.”
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by CMoney on
Apr 30, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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I second that...
I’m with CMoney here. Drawing a line at “bitch game.” It’s too well engrained in my SPURS playoff vocabulary. CM’s right, we’re not talking about the WNBA or any specific or group of women. We’re talking about how the SPURS “bitch” out in at least one playoff game per series (sorry Cleveland, nobody in our kingdom actually ever considered you worthy of classification anyway). Everyone knows what both the “p——y game” and the “bitch game” mean, and most all of us are willing to drop the first because you made a good point. Somebody calls another person (ESPECIALLY a woman) a “bitch,” and that can’t stand and shouldn’t be tolerated by any of us. Calling a game in which the SPURS lay an egg a “bitch game” is in no way derogatory or disrespectful to anyone but the team and the performance they demonstrated.
If dogs start blogging in to voice complaints and offenses, I’ll consider dropping the phrase. Wait…. can I say ‘dogs?’ I meant it in the literal sense, but no disrespect to anyone who owns a dog either.
Also while I’m thinking about it, the word “retarded” goes nowhere either. I’m not mocking the mentally challenged (Amare, don’t get offended that I happen to make eye contact with you when saying the word, it’s purely coincidental.) and it’s a funny phrase to use as long as it’s far away from the original context and not directed at a person with mental disabilities.
I understand the “p——y” word, I do; and I respect that. Not saying you are, but let’s be careful to avoid full on political correctness here. It’s a blog, nothing more. We’re all mostly of like mind and considerate of each other. Those who aren’t are quickly weeded out and identified, and no one’s forcing anyone to respond to them. It’s each of our own choice whether or not to get offended by something; none of us has the right to not get offended, in life OR a simple SPURS blog. I will continue to do my best to express my own feelings and thoughts and brilliance without trampling the sensibilities or feelings of others, just as long as I’m also not force-fed their agenda.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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ok… maybe I’m overreacting about “bitch game,” but my point is really the same as it was for “pussy game.” It’s about the context of talking about the Spurs playing soft and weak. That’s what we’re saying, right? Why is that playing like “bitches,” a derogatory term for women? Even if you’re not applying it to women, you’re applying the same negative stereotype. Yes, women have less physical strength than men, but that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a lack of fortitude. It’s a weakness beyond physical terms.
This is something ingrained in our society and I’m just glad we can talk about it. I’m not mad or anything. I love you all. Let’s group hug!
Again, I want to EMPHASIZE that there is no official rule about the use of “pussy” or “bitch” to describe a Spurs performance. I’m not going to delete any comments. You can’t, however, use it to describe women. That’s always been the case. In summary, nothing’s really changed here. And I still think that post where I called Chris Kaman a cracker is absolutely hilarious.
by Matthew Powell on
Apr 30, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Honestly, you do make a good point. And I thought that even before I brought all this up to the girlfriend over dinner tonight. She made the same points too, about how it’s really disrespectful to women because all of these negative terms seem to always refer in some way TO women, and that there really aren’t any for men (aside from ‘bastard,’ which is really more comical than anything).
Even though I’m terrified that we’ll soon be talking about ”’her’story,” I admire your stand and respect your character. Oh how much easier things would be if we all simply worshipped a team not in the habit of every series throwing up worthless games…
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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Okay, seriously now.
Having spent a good chunk of my life in forums, IRC channels and others Internet-based meeting places, I can honestly say that PTR doesn’t have enough swearing or cursing or whatnot to even be worthy of mention. This is a great place full of more or less rational fans that believe in proper grammar, punctuation and capitalization, and don’t use “fuck” randomly in every sentence they write.
Maybe it comes from my usage of English as a second language (us foreigners always have some problems weighing insults we’re not familiar with) but “pussy”, beyond all the obvious connotations to women, seems pretty mild a bad word to me.
By the way, Aaronstampler, do you really mean to show us Manu’s groin and chest in your avatar? If you were aiming for Manu’s crazy face showing, you need to clip it. If you don’t know how I can do it for you. Just an offer.
by LatinD on
Apr 30, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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good point. at least we don’t reference nazis.
by efantich on
Apr 30, 2008 3:08 PM CDT
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Godwin's Law!
I call it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin‘s_law
by schwazz on
Apr 30, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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Actually, people have referenced Nazis. I have deleted more than one comment referring to Dirk as a Nazi.
by Matthew Powell on
Apr 30, 2008 4:17 PM CDT
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A good sign
I’d just like to point out how great it is that we have the energy to debate something like this. Fans of other teams are not so fortunate.
by schwazz on
Apr 30, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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the little general got fired today! wow… i love avery.
yeah, the spurs are boss
by moognish on
Apr 30, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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symmetry
I love the symmetry of our series win; it’s so poetic. The Suns trade KT, the only guy who adequately covered TD, because he made too much money. He eventually lands back with us and plays a key role in our win. They trade for Snaq, paying almost 2 1/2 times what KT was making and are locked in for two more years. Snaq misses more free throws then our victory margin and has only negative impact on the outcome. Grant Hill chooses Phoenix over us and they sign him knowing he’s injury prone. So, of course, he gets injured right before the playoffs, plays some anyway, but brings nothing and actually hurts them while on the floor. So the guy they start in his place, BD, plays adequately but throws the ball away at crunch time. What’s more, because BD is the center of their offense for much of the series, Amare gets pissed and pouts that he should be “the man” (which, of course, shows that he’s a punk). And we beat them this year in 5, just to show that last year was indeed a fluke … we took too long last time. Now that’s chingon.
by agutierrez on
Apr 30, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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i went and surfed around the web at other sports teams blog sites. i must say kudos to the job well done here. it is like no other. it’s simple, to the point, and very sexy to the eyes. i love that we are all a community of familiar faces on game day or off days. i know i am kind of new to the PtR area but i already feel like i am a part of the family here. i have been a spurs fan since i was just a seed within the depths of… well, you know where. i admit to foul language. i admit to using the b, p and f word when i am angry or full of emotion. i think by now we should all realize what a spurs game can do to us. game 4 is a perfect example of that… SHIT, i am still mad about it. oh well, we win. i hereby request that no censorship rule applies during the games? hmmmm…? here’s the deal – i think i could quickly scrape together 500+ blogs with the word “fuck” (and i believe this word has been stamped the ‘worst of the worst’ by many a blogger/human/grandmother) from around the ptr village. i truly chuckle at the honesty and blunt behavior we each extrude during our visits. i believe that is what makes us better than everyone else. we accept it. we welcome our failures, frustrations and potty mouths. however, i agree the problem should and will go away now that we know the sensitivity certain words or topics can bring. now that we have splattered our thoughts all over the PtR table – take and learn. this is a place to be right and wrong. we are a spurs family. what the hell is better than that? now could someone get a rag and wipe off the table?
moognish
oh yeah, don’t any of you dare walk on eggshells around here or i will conjure vinny del negro to kick your ass… haha, remember that guy?
yeah, the spurs are boss
by moognish on
Apr 30, 2008 8:01 PM CDT
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Vinny Del Negro was the man….
I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on
Apr 30, 2008 8:53 PM CDT
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About time...
...somebody brought up Vinny Del Negro. Yes, DennardC, he was, in fact, the man.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xHBAAlXqwyw
I haven’t commented on the whole “pussy” game matter yet. I am just not sure how I feel. I am always a big prononent of good writing and high-minded language (which I think we have a generous amount of here at PtR), and I think the use of the term is neither. That being said, I think much of the merit of blogs comes from the authenticity and raw frankness with which they approach sports.I think Stampler is absolutely right to point out how much we swear when actually watching a game (I’ll tell you right now I have a mouth that would make a sailor blush). Either way, I think the fact that the conversation even occured speaks to a thoughtfulness on this community’s part, and I am proud of it (even though I waited so long to chime in). To be honest, I didn’t really think twice when I read the game 3 recap.
by Kid_Dynamite on
Apr 30, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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Clearly I am not a “prononent” of spell check. I can’t believe I misspelled a word in the same sentence I used the phrases “good writing” and “high-minded language.” Talk about being full of shit.
by Kid_Dynamite on
Apr 30, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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Your blog still kicks ass, Kid. That’s all that matters. The nature of blogs and quick responses, me thinks. Just know that if your blog ever turns on the SPURS or starts going downhill, I’ll be there like a ninja with my highlighter.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 10:02 PM CDT
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vinny was the man
Do any of you guys remember that one season that Del Negro (it may have only been half a season i have a hard time remembering anything before 2003) played out of his mind, like he almost approached what would have been dependable role player status on our ‘05 team. Anyways i just remember watching a game and it may have been against New Jersey and whoever was doing color for the Spurs back then, it may still have been Dave Barnett’s first stint, was saying that Del Negro was excited about playing in front of his family and wanted to give them something special, and like right after the announcer said that Vinny rose up over like 3 guys and threw it down. It was an incredible dunk for anyone but especially for him. Of course he never did it again. Oh and just to make this post lamer and to go along with the symmetry thing gutierrez was talking about, don’t vinny and manu have similar noses, and isn’t Vinny working for the Suns in some capacity.
by staves27 on
Apr 30, 2008 9:44 PM CDT
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He’s the Asst. GM of the fleas. And yes, he was definately the man, and I have lots of special memories of watching him play.
by SgtinManusArmy on
Apr 30, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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On a completely different note...
I wrote a recap of game 5 at 48minutesofhell.blogspot.com. Nothing special, I think I was too overcome with joy to actually have anything thoughtful to say. Either way, if you get a chance I’d love it if you guys could give it a read. And thanks in general for being supportive of my writing there so far. As I wade into unknown waters its nice to know there is a group of people who is supportive of my writing aside from my buddies.
by Kid_Dynamite on
Apr 30, 2008 10:06 PM CDT
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on a more serious note
I just wanted to chime in along with everyone else and say how much i appreciate this site. I as well get made fun of by my wife and others for live blogging or just blogging in general but i don’t care because getting to read honest and intelligent (mostly) thoughts on a team that I definitely care is really important to me. I’m sure everyone else feels this way but when i long on to read comments after or before a game and i have thought the same thing or felt the same way as the majority of you is a really cool thing. I like espn.com and some of those guys, but i don’t check that site several times a day like i do ptr to see if Stampler or Powell have posted anything. More than anything i appreciate those two guy’s honesty and integrity when it comes to approaching the game and more importantly life in general. I honestly don’t care about using the “P” word or not. I’m in law school and i just finished a Constitutional Law class (having law finals during the playoffs, not good, oh and my wife should be having our first kid this weekend, so i especially appreciate ptr right now, its one of my few outs) i am in no way an expert and i won’t get all preachy but our right to freedom of speech has been viewed by the highest court in this great nation of ours as one of the most important fundamental freedoms we have. To some justices its been the most important. But even though this right has been given much deference, there are still limitations to it, and several of them have to do with group libel and offensive speech. Historically group libel has not been protected by the 1st amendment (which may be what Matthew is upset about, and rightly, the fact that the P word degrades women). Offensive speech in some contexts has been protected therefore constitutional, and other times it hasn’t. For example Carlin’s 7 words you can’t say on tv bit was aired at 2 pm on the radio 30 years ago, and the court said that type of speech is not protected when played on the radio during the day. It was more of a time, place, manner thing because kids could here it. Anyways sorry for that i hope no one read all that because its really boring but unfortunately its been my life for the last year, but all that to say is yes this blog is great because above all you guys every single person in here keeps it real when it comes to our boys in silver and black, which is what we all have in common. However not all things are absolute in life and sometimes regulation is necessary to make sure everyone can enjoy what we have come to enjoy at ptr.
“one mans vulgarity is another man’s lyric” – justice harlan
and i’m sure the converse of that is true as well.
i swear i’ll never post something this boring ever again
by staves27 on
Apr 30, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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It wasn’t all boring, staves, welcome to PtR. Look forward to hearing from you more.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
by jollyrogerwilco on
May 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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