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"Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87655

On the Salt Lake Tribune's basketball blog, Ross Siler points out the very real possibility that the Jazz, Spurs, Rockets, and Suns could all end the season 55-27.

It'll take the coordinated efforts of all teams involved, and a Jazz win in San Antonio, where they tend to lose.

But it really could happen.

My first thought is: Cool! Exciting! Historical! And a perfect way to cap the West's season of parity.

My next thought was ... wow. I wonder how they break that tie? The division winners have to be in the top four. And the usual tie-breaker -- head to head record -- would seem to be a little more complicated with four teams.

Siler writes:

I'm not sure how exactly the NBA would break a four-way tie. The Jazz would have to be assured a top four seed as a division champion.

As far as individual tiebreakers go, the Spurs have a better division record than Houston, Phoenix owns the season series against San Antonio and Houston has a better conference record than Phoenix. Round and round we go.

If it comes down to conference record, the Jazz would finish 34-18, Houston 33-19, San Antonio 32-20 and Phoenix 31-21. The Jazz would play the Suns in the first round under this tiebreaker.

If it comes down to head-to-head against the other three teams, the Jazz are 7-3, Phoenix is 6-5, Houston is 5-6 and San Antonio is 4-8. The numbers are different because some teams were only scheduled to play three times this season.

The Jazz would play San Antonio in the first round under this tiebreaker. If San Antonio loses Monday and Wednesday, Utah and the Spurs would meet in the first round as well.

Of course, the Jazz also could lose Wednesday in San Antonio for the 21st consecutive time and settle for the No. 4 seed and a series with Houston.

OK, I can help here, I think. After the jump, I posted the entire tie-break rules, straight from the NBA. They are not entirely simple. You may want to bookmark this post so you can check them again as these next few days unfold.

My simplified interpretation as applies here: if all four end up tied, it does come down to winning percentage in games among the tied teams. And we're lucky, this year, that in this scenario such a tie-breaker really would settle everything without having to go deeper into the rules.

Based on Siler's research a few paragraphs above, if those four teams end up 55-27, after the tie-breaks have been applied, the Lakers and Hornets would be followed in the third through sixth spots in the West with:

  • Jazz
  • Suns
  • Rockets
  • Spurs
  • That would set up a killer Utah vs. San Antonio series. Now, you might wonder, who would get homecourt advantage in that series?

    Again, we apply the tie-break procedures, although now we only have two teams to consider. And if this tie happens, then Utah will have finished 3-0 against the Spurs this season, and so the Jazz will get the extra game at home.

    Playoff Tie-Break Procedures
    Ties for playoff positions (including division winners) will be broken utilizing the criteria set forth in subparagraph a. below (in the case of ties involving two teams) and subparagraph b. below (in the case of ties involving more than two teams), and the guidelines set forth in subparagraph c. below.

    Two Teams Tied
    In the case of a tie in regular-season records involving only two teams, the following criteria will be utilized in the following order:

    1. Better winning percentage in games against each other.
    2. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
    3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
    4. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
    5. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
    6. Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").
    More Than Two Teams Tied
    In the case of a tie in regular season records involving more than two teams, the following criteria will be utilized in the following order:
    1. Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
    2. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in the same division).
    3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
    4. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
    5. Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").
    Guidelines For Applying Tie-Break Criteria
    The following guidelines shall be used when applying the above criteria to break ties for playoff positions:

    (1)

    (a) The first four seeds in each conference will continue to be given to the three division winners and the team with the next best regular season record, but these four teams will now be seeded in order of their regular season records. Among other things, this change will ensure that the two teams with the best records in the conference will not meet earlier than the Conference Finals.

    (b) When a tie must be broken to determine a division winner, the results of the tie-break shall be used to determine only the division winner and its playoff position, not any other playoff position(s).

    (2)

    If a tie involves more than two teams, the tie-break criteria in subparagraph b. shall be applied in the order set forth therein until the first to occur of the following:

    (a) Each of the tied teams has a different winning percentage or point differential under the applicable tiebreak criterion (a "complete" breaking of the tie). In this circumstance, the team with the best winning percentage or point differential under the criterion will be awarded the best playoff position, the team with the next-best winning percentage or point differential will be awarded the next-best playoff position, and so on, and no further application of the tie-break criteria will be required.

    (b) One or more (but not all) of the tied teams has a different winning percentage or point differential under the applicable tie-break criterion (a "partial" breaking of the tie). In this circumstance: (x) any team(s) that performed better under the applicable criterion than any other team(s) will be awarded a higher playoff position than such other team(s); and (y) teams that had equivalent performance under the applicable criterion will remain tied, and such remaining tie(s) will be broken by applying, from the beginning, the criteria in subparagraph

    a.(1)-(6) above (for any remaining tie involving only two teams) or subparagraph
    b.(1)-(5) above (for any remaining tie involving more than two teams) and the guidelines set forth in this subparagraph

    (3)

    If application of the criteria in subparagraph a. or b. does not result in the breaking of a tie, the playoff positions of the tied teams will be determined by a random drawing.

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    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    it seems like the spurs get phoenix in the 3/6 spot if they win and utah in the 4/5 spot if they lose. this assumes that houston and phoenix both win the final game in which both will be home and favored.

    niether is god for us right now, but at least they would be home against phoenix.

    nice pick up on the tie-breaker info.

    by bones on Apr 15, 2008 6:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    Wow... if the above happens, and NO loses these last 2 games (which is possible to lose to night, and to rest players against Dallas) ... There will be 5 teams with a 55-27 record... my head hurts.

    by CMoney on Apr 15, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    Someone make a poll: Which do you prefer for the first round, Utah or Phoenix?

    I say Phoenix.

    by LatinD on Apr 15, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    I agree with 'the D,' but there's various factors here.

    I would MUCH rather play a phx team AFTER they've had to grind through at least one opponent.  To start the playoffs with them will be devastating; shaq will bring it all and they will be driven, motivated, and mentally ready.  To see them barely get through another power then have to face us tilts the series heavily towards us.  Playing them immediately in the first round makes my tummy hurt.

    On the other hand, I definately don't want to play Utah on the road to start the playoffs.  They're clutch there, hitting their stride, and already match up well with SA.

    Best case scenerio- We play Utah at home in the first round, then worry about phx later.  If we can't play Utah at home, phx is my pick as well.

    by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 15, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    here's the thing for me:

    on one hand, i would prefer to play utah.  they play more our style, we know that we can grind out a win against them.  but can we win one at their place this year? because if we draw them that means a loss wednesday and being on the road with them for the first two. i say that we can manage to get one up there and that should be all it takes.  so the home court advantage isnt that big of a deal.

    in the case of phoenix, we would have home court, but i think i would rather not play these guys right now because they will be breathing fire against us, much the same way dallas was in 06 - we are their nemesis, their lakers, their monkey. the sole purpose for swinging a trade for fat shaq was to beat san antonio.

    based on this, i will go with utah - they will be breathing fire against us too, but probably not as much as phoenix will. that siad, how gratifying would it be to kick sand in the face of phoenix once again by beating them in the play-offs spurning their attempt to alter the entire franchise because of us? the beatles song "rocky raccoon" is coming to mind here.....

    cant we just sneak the timberwolves in the playoffs and draw them in the first round?

    either way, i cannot sit around tomorrow night and root for a loss.  im really rooting for a win and we'll take what we get.  but id rather the deal swing so that we could play utah or possibly houston (can you just see the venom on this site gushing forth after a luis scola game winner at any time during that series?)

    by bones on Apr 15, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    To be honest, I wish the season would end right this second. These current standings not only allow us to play the "softer" Suns, but it also would means we would play NO in the following round. I know you're probably saying to not count Dallas out because the Hornets are young. But I just don't see that happeing...why? CP3 vs. Kidd. It's not even going to be fair... I would hate opening up against the Jazz because they have a great coach and they are so damn physical. This is how I hope the current standings play out.

    LA vs DEN
    NO vs DAL
    SA vs PHX
    UTAH vs HOU

    LA vs UTAH  (Physical series, goes at least 6)
    NO vs SA  (You can call me crazy but I love this matchup. Shut down CP3 and the series is over)

    by CMoney on Apr 15, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    We did beat Utah once this season already in Dec.  Remember the consecutive 37-point games by Manu to beat Dallas and the Jazz without The Big Fundamental?

    We want to win against the Jazz, and have the Rockets lose and the Suns win.  Then we get the 3rd seed and play #6 Houston. Utah/PHX would be the 4/5 matchup
    How about that?

    by Gino20 on Apr 15, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    Yeah, I think Houston in the first round is our best bet. Even though I think we might be able to pull out a series win against Utah and/or Phoenix, I fear we will be so beat up and exhausted (particularly against Utah), that we'd be unable to get past the second round. Remember when we faced Sacramento in the first round in '06. That took a lot out of us and led to the loss to Dallas.

    by agutierrez on Apr 15, 2008 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    I don't really care who the Spurs end up facing. Call me crazy(which I am), but I think this team can gear it up in the playoffs. Looking back at the last two months of the season, it's obvious all of the backtobacks, 4 games and 5 days, or 5 games in 7 days has taken a toll on Team Geriatric. However, have 2,3 and sometimes 4 days off between games will be nothing but advantageous for this guys. I could be wrong, but I like this teams chances, homecourt or no. Manu getting essentially 2 weeks off is going to provide another boost as well.
    "Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success." - Henry Ford

    by DennardC on Apr 15, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: "Know Your NBA Playoff Seedings"
    I love your optimism...

    On one side of my sad little brain- You're spot on.  I have faith, they've yet to let me down; we have the rings (freakin 4, for God's sake!!) to prove our mettle; on paper it HAS been biased with our injuries/BABAs/etc; we have two of the best players in the game and one of the best players of all time.

    The other (cynical) side- Every time that we HAVE won a ring, we had that certain 'it' going into the playoffs.  We gelled, we fit together, we had our roles established, and we had confidence.  This year, I don't feel any of those things strongly.  I truly feel that we've never been, of the past years, so UNready for the playoffs; and on top of that we'll be facing arguably the toughest west there's been in the past years.  Let's just say that this year, I'm not eagerly posting any homer bets.  And I'm also thinking that IF this year falls flat, is our owner even willing to make changes or take steps needed to keep us relevant?

    I'm very perplexed, to say the least, and I just want the playoffs to start already so that we can actually see if we've been played or if it's not to be.  All my posturing and theorizing amount to nothing with San Antonio and Pop, because they always play a game in the postseason completely irrelevant from the regular season.  But this year, no doubt, I've never felt so much uncertainty and confusion and insecurity.  Hopefully that doesn't mean anything...

    by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 15, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

    i think our scenarios are....

    i am assuming that both houston and phoenix are going to win at home as clear favorites. based on this, if SA wins, they claim the #3 and play phoenix.

    if they lose to utah, they fall to #6. utah gets the #3 and we play them in the first round while phoenix and houston play in the 4/5 series.

    this gets a little muddier if someone pulls an upset tonite, but i dont even know if the above scenario is absolutely correct, so i wont delve further.

    as far as faith goes, i do have a lot of it. these guys have proven their championship caliber. but in this season of unprecedented balance, they could just as easily get bounced in round one by whomever they play. and thats not a reach.

    in either of my above scenarios, the spurs would be looking at either dallas or new orleans in the second round. i’ll take that should our guys be fortunate enough to survive round 1.

    by bones on Apr 16, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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