ESPN confirms obvious: Ray Allen is a nancy boy deserving your general scorn and derision
ESPN has once again run out of story ideas, and they have resorted to play the reliable "let's make a list of great NBA shooting guards/players/competitors/gamblers/personalities/assholes and pretend Jordan is not a lock for the top spot" card.
The results are a trifle baffling to me. George Gervin is the 4th best shooting guard of all time? Really? He's famous for two things: the finger roll and never, ever, EVER playing defense.
More than any other position, a discussion of shooting guards rarely, if ever, involves defense. For instance, the nearly insufferable duo of Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy got into a Manu Ginobili vs. Tracy McGrady debate during the recent Spurs vs. Suns telecast. Defense was not mentioned a single time. It's half the game last time I checked; seems to warrant mentioning.
According to ESPN's panel of experts*, Tracy McGrady is the 17th best shooting guard of all time, two spots ahead of Manu. 20th on the list is nancy boy Ray Allen. Yes, thank you, can I have some more.
*Sports is the only field where participation qualifies you as an expert. Botanical experts are people who study plant life, academics with botany PhDs. Your grandma, despite the beauty of her gardenias, is not an expert.
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I wonder how hollinger's rankings went down in this. half the top 10 list weren't even ranked by him if i'm reading it correctly
by booth52 on Mar 11, 2008 2:00 PM CDT 0 recs
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By the way, our friendship went to another level when you finally admitted (some time ago) that Ginobili was better than Allen.
I'm not even joking.
And I'm not gay.
ok.
by Matthew Powell on
Mar 11, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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by Gino20 on
Mar 11, 2008 9:32 PM CDT
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by Matthew Powell on
Mar 11, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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Re: ESPN confirms obvious: Ray Allen is a nancy b
So yeah, better off not paying attention to these guys. It'll just drive you crazy.
P.S. I think I'm gonna write somethin' tonight. Late tonight.
by Aaronstampler on Mar 11, 2008 2:35 PM CDT 0 recs
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by adam8065 on Mar 11, 2008 4:35 PM CDT 0 recs
I think that the Iceman's #4 ranking
But more than all the stats, Gervin transcended the way the game was played. He redefined the SG position when he moved from forward to become the first big [read: tall and very skinny] guard to excel at the position. He was so smooth, and made seemingly-impossible shots look easy. You had to see it to believe it. Even when the Spurs were only run-and-gun with no defense they were so fun to watch, and mainly b/c of Gervin. Absolutely no one ever had the arsenal of shots that the Iceman did. And he also has one of the all-time greatest nicknames.
Maybe the greatest testimony to Gervin's greatness comes from the man who is #3 on the all-time SG list - Jerry West. West said this about Ice: "He's the one player I would pay to see." There you have it. Other than the top three, who would you rank higher?
P.S. In glancing through the list, I noticed that the anti-foreigner bias is as strong as ever. Both Manu and Drazen Petrovic should be much higher on the list.
by 4Him on Mar 11, 2008 6:03 PM CDT 0 recs
A quick Ice story...
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Mar 11, 2008 6:23 PM CDT
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by agutierrez on Mar 11, 2008 7:26 PM CDT 0 recs
In principle
By the time Manu finishes, he should be near the top, though he will have played less years than most of the other greats. I wish that the Spurs would have brought him over to the team in 2001-02 [or even the year before that]. In the playoffs against the Lakers those years, we really needed someone who could fearlessly penetrate and take the ball to the hole, and even though Manu would have been raw in some ways, he would have had the courage to take it to the rack against those guys [as he proved in '03]. How much of a difference it would have made in those two series I don't know. The other peeve that I have about that Laker three-peat is that TD wasn't able to play in the 2000 playoffs. I would have loved for us to take the Lakers out that year on the way to defending the title.
by 4Him on
Mar 11, 2008 8:33 PM CDT
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by adam8065 on Mar 11, 2008 9:18 PM CDT 0 recs
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by Matthew Powell on
Mar 11, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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The guy who could just cram it on everyone wouldn't be the cold blooded killer that Manu is.
by Aaronstampler on
Mar 12, 2008 12:14 AM CDT
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Anyway, I'm glad he still is the the great player he was. Check that--a BETTER player than he has ever been.
(For my money, Manu was one of the top 5 NBA performers throughout the course of those playoffs. My 5: Duncan, Wade, Nash, Amare, Ginobili. Not in the playoffs that year: KG, LeBron, and Kobe. T-Mac played great vs. Dallas but you don't make my Top 5 if you are bounced out of the first round)
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Mar 12, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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