The case for/against Tony Parker
by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 3, 2008 12:48 PM CST
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I love me a PG that's constantly looking to get his teammates open/makeable looks
Let’s face it. This just isn’t Tony Parker. Whether he’s beating his man off the dribble and shooting a twisting layup while ignoring our bigs on the blocks who are open b/c their men have left to help defend Tony’s drive; or whether it’s a fast break that he’s leading where he just decides to take it himself; or whether he’s shooting a long two pointer early in the shot clock when we’ve got plenty of time and/or other guys who have better shooting percentages from outside who are waiting and ready for a pass – he’s shown a persistent and strong tendency to prefer a shot by himself to one by his teammates regardless of the relative makeability of the shots.
I understand that he’s got a terrific field goal percentage, especially considering his size and being a guard, but that’s not the whole story. And I’m not griping about games like his double nickel. There are times when a player is hot and it doesn’t matter who’s guarding him, or how many teammates are open, he’s taking the shot because he’s got the hot hand and simply can’t miss. This is not what I’m talking about.
The issue is that his mentality isn’t that of a point guard. He will have a random game when he’ll go for double digits in assists and make me wonder why he doesn’t play like that all the time – because it’s obvious that he can. And then he’ll turn right around with a performance like he had against the Rockets (and I know that everybody played badly on Saturday, please don’t get distracted) making me wonder if he even knows what a point’s main responsibilities are.
Finally, this isn’t a run-Parker-out-of-town rant. It’s just a reminder that he is and what he isn’t. He isn’t a playmaker first.
So, what IS he?
He is great GREAT at what he does. It's just that what he does isn't what a classic point guard does. He's a excellent driver, with an improving jump shot who can also, on occasion, hand out quite a few assists. But that's not the consistent part of his game.
Here's another thing we have in Parker; he's a Spur. I don't simply mean that he's on our team, knows our system and likes it in San Antonio. I also mean that, for the most part, he's bought into Pop's program and is the kind of player that program requires. He makes an effort on defense and doesn't have such sticky hands that he won't make the extra pass that our offense requires to be effective. But the extent to which he doesn't conform to the Popovich way, THAT'S the extent to which I'm down on him. When he's ignornig the open man and killing our offensive flow with ill-advised drives and jacking up crazy shots early in the shot clock - that's when I want my fairy godmother to show up, wave her wand, and turn him into Chris Paul, or Deron Williams or ...
Here's the deal: I am not arguing for a Parker trade -- unless we could get a quality player for him. Quality, in this discussion, is not a nice draft pick. It's not a player who'd give us a good year. That's not enough! Look at what we'd be giving up! A top tier point guard who's (finally) proven himself in the pressure cooker of The Finals, a player who can go off at any time and take over a game with his scoring, a close to league-verage defender, and most importantly, a player we'll have on our roster for years unless something untoward happens.
So it's only a quality player that should even be considered. And since I didn't know of such a quality big who was playing for a team who a) might let him go and b) needed a PG, I posted my previous tongue-half-in-cheek FanPost to see what you guys thought.
Allright now, do you still think that I'm down on Tony?
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Keep Tony.
He is a Spur. It’s early in the season.
I have a nervous feeling in my stomach right now. I’m nervous about a few things. The Spurs are in the tightest division in the leagu right now, as it stands. They are in 4th place, but only 1 1/2 games out of first! I know we all waited for Tony and Manu to come back. I think we just have to be patient. I know… How long do we have to be patient for before something gives? Tony, Tim, Manu and Pop have proven for a long time that they can deliver. It is still early in the season. Let’s wait it out and see. The rotation needs to get used to Manu and Tony being back.
Anything can happen. More injuries? Let’s not forget that anything can happen to another team, as well. (And no, I’m not wishing injuries on other teams. Don’t go thinking I’m a bad sport, or anything, here.)
by dfjmed on Dec 3, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why are we even discussing this?
Youre acting as if they cant win with Parker, when in fact they can and have, three times. His shooting/scoring doesnt effect the other players that much, hell Manu averaged a career high last year, and Duncans scoring decline is of his own making, taking a lesser role in favor of Tony and Manu.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 3, 2008 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing you said here is wrong, jolly, and you expressed yourself well. I completely understand what you’re saying, and where you’re coming from.
But bren is rigth, I think. No one compares in value in the PG position, except for Paul and maybe Williams. So he’s staying, and playing for us.
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wasnt even comparing him to those guys
Theyre better point guard, yes. But Parker is a better player than Williams, while Paul beats them both.
My point was, youd upgrade the team in order to win, which the Spurs have proved they can do with Tony and his playing style. This isnt a Denver/Iverson situation, Parkers style of play hasnt been to the detriment of anyone on the team nor the W-L column
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 3, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should’ve put it in another paragraphs. “bren is right. ALSO, no one…” I was referring to jolly’s comment regarding Parker’s trade being viable if we get a quality player for him.
There’s no quality PG worth a Parker right now, except Paul, as you said.
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i get what you are saying jolly and you said it well, i just don’t know if there is anyone of equal value we can get for Parker out there. I really like Parker and like everyone here on this site (as I read all of yall’s comments almost everyday even though i rarely comment myself) I have both cursed and blessed his name. In the Duncan era we have never had a backcourt with this type of potential but as Spiderman’s wise uncle once said “with great power comes great responsibility” and that probably doesn’t apply to our backcourt situation but it just sounds epic so i decided to put it in. Anyways as is evident our whole season depends on these four guys finding their roles and playing well with each other because everyone else on our team sucks (minus timmy of course). So while its young in the season i don’t want to be in a position where these guys are fighting for 8th and not 2nd or 3rd and with such a tight race in the west too much time can’t be wasted.
I also wanted to say that AusTechSpur has done a damn good job taking the reins from Powell and Stampler, even though i miss their rants.
by staves27 on Dec 3, 2008 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
On all of it, but especially the part about ATS guiding the boat since Powell and especially Stamps have apparently abandoned ship. He’s been a wise captain.
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, ATS is the best. I secretly love him even more than SiMA.
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the “With great power comes great responsibility” quote. That and Yoda’s “Try not! Do, or do not… there is no try.” are my go-to quotes when I need to drop some wisdom in a business meeting or whatever.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
by tomasito on Dec 3, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a fresh idea….. what about trading George Hill? Since we’re desperate to unload a PG right now, it seems to make more sense to unload the one who has less than 15 games of NBA experience, doesn’t completely know the system yet and has never been in the playoffs before. And his stock has clearly risen at this point, we could probably solve our other problems with a move like this if done wisely.
Bring it on, suckas.
(see what you started, JR? TrueHoop’s gonna get wind of this nonsense soon, be warned.)
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Desperate to unload a pg?
Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt JV on the hook for only one more year? George has made huge strides already and has earned the confidence of the fanbase and apparently Pop. So one year behind JV wont hurt him, but getting rid of a guy like Hill, who can be a part of the regular rotation, wouldnt be the wise move.
Besides, if George gets to know the system quicker, I wouldnt be surprised is JVs minutes go down…..hes basically Trent Dilfer in a tank top
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 3, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
“but getting rid of a guy like Hill, who can be a part of the regular rotation, wouldnt be the wise move.”
Know what else ’wouldn’t be the wise move?’ Getting rid of a soon-to-be first ballot HOFer/Championship MVP/top 3 PG in the game player because we’re 17 games in and he looks a little rusty (and he’s started only 7 of those) . In fact, it’s so not the wise move that it’s ludicrous to even discuss at this point.
I’m begging you people, please stop.
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this I see? Has SiMA settled for mediocrity?
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not mediocrity, I’m “surrendering” to the thought of having TP as our permanent PG. In an ironic way, I’m behaving just as the French do.
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s settling. You are settling. Hypocrite.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is being content with one of the top 3 PGs in the game “settling?” I’m no huge fan of TP, but I’m not so ignorant as to question his viability simply because we now have a backup that is capable of scoring more than 1.7 points per game.
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The front office should pursue every option, including trading TP, to get another ring in the Duncan era. Anything less is settling for mediocrity. Don’t make me look mediocrity up in the dictionary.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooohhh, I gotcha. Touche. Then yes, not considering every option to get another ring is mediocrity. But I just don’t think trading one of the big three (yet) is even a viable option.
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Bren says, how can you not be a huge fan of a guy that you are calling a top 3 PG?
Glad you picked up on that, btw. I wasn’t going to spend the time finding an actual quote but I thought I channeled by inner-SiMA very well there.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was nice. He’s a top 3 PG, but I don’t personally like him. I don’t like his attitude at some times, and I don’t like his Frenchness. But I recognize that we need him and are lucky to have him.
I don’t like the Witness either, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t kill a puppy to have him in black and silver.
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 3, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I picked up on it the second you mentioned “mediocrity”. You’ve been on your A game lately.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Dec 5, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then they should also consider trading Timmy next year if they think he’s starting to decline. Any other option would be settling.
I really don’t get the lack of love for our Big Three. Am I the only one that wants them to finish their careers in a Spurs jersey? I love rings as much as the guy next door, but I always thought they deserve that much respect from the fans.
And someday I want their jersey hanging from the rafters, too.
If Manu and Tony ever play for the Mavs or the Suns, I’m blaming ATS.
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Tim? HERESY!
Don’t let my mockery of SiMA fool you. I love our big three. I don’t want any of them traded. Now or ever. The only reason they should suit up for another team is if the front office and the player have irreconcilable differences on pay when a contract ends. Even then, I won’t be happy.
However, I can handle any blame you dish.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s good to hear. I’ll blame jolly instead.
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge fan?
This guys has grown leaps and bounds since he came into the league, i never wouldve imagined he’d be this good…..its all gravy to me
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 3, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best read over a croissant and a machiatto while looking at the Eiffel tower listening to La Marseillaise
I agree that Tony Parker isn’t always about getting his team mates open looks, however he is a spurs guy, he plays within a system that makes the extra pass, that has a lot of versatile role players who don’t have to go "get theirs".
He plays with the greatest PF of the modern Era, a guy that just makes people stay at home, and he constantly extracts from the spurs system the most efficient method of scoring in basketball. A layup. You can play five on five, and get a layup out of your offence in high pressure post season basketball, I have to ask the question, Is that not a valuable thing?
It’s a positive sign that George "monster cubits" Hill wiffs heavily of the Eu’de’potential cologne. It’s good that he has shown promise. But Frenchy has killed at the highest level. He has been a finals MVP. He busted New Orleans out of the playoffs last year with clutch jump shooting(something that he worked his baguettes off to become proficient at), he has decimated the Suns and other luckless opponents in post season play with one man fast breaks, arms and legs akimbo like some kind of whirling dervish.
Every team is looking for a nuts out PG with the ability to do it all, this is that guy. Right here. He doesn’t get the national media spotlight like a lot of the other PG’s in the NBA. But look at the damn numbers.
It disturbs me that he is taken so lightly, even here at Pounding the Rock, a blog that is unreservedly, passionately pro beret.
People talk and talk about Rose as the new messiah. What happened to the old messiahs? Espn and any highlight real has anointed rose as the perfect combo of Chris Paul and Deron Williams. I just don’t get it. Derek Rose is Tony Parker in a bulls uniform. Have a look at the way he plays. He can give out the assists, but he scores in bunchs at the hoop, and is far more likely to win with clutch play than distribution. Who does that sound like as a PG?
We already have right here in San Antonio what the rest of the league is getting blue balls over.
One other thing i really take issue with is assist numbers. How easily we throw around assist numbers as a measure of how good a distributor a player is. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched games and then looked at the box scores and they show Chris Paul, or Deron Williams, or some other star guard as having 12 assists or 9 assists. To my eyes as a viewer of far too much basketball for their own good, it looked like they had half that number or two thirds that number at best. I don’t know what the NBA states an assist should consist of (two parts good intentions and one part star power would be my best guess), but I’ll tell you now I personally figure it’s a pass that leads to a basket, not a pass that leads to a guy backing his man down then hitting a drop step pump fake turn around five seconds later…
I’d be interested to know how many Gretsky like assists (passes that lead to passes that lead to scores) the spurs as a team have. Because they seem to make so many extra passes and have done the past 6 years or so. In this system a Tony Parker is what we need.
FINALLY (sorry for the length I got rambling), who the hell do we get to replace an in his prime, top 4 at his position when healthy, finals mvp winning, ice cold fearless, driving at break neck pace guard?
A potentially good rookie who played well in the opening stretchs of one season? Is he a lock to be top of his position in the league? If not then why even have this conversation?
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
by Bushka on Dec 3, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Wow.
Thank you, sincerely for this post. This is exactly what needed to be said. Everything you’ve written here is true about TP.
Hasn’t TP gone through every ‘top’ point guard in the league en route to a championship/playoff series win, at one point or another? CP3 (last years semi’s)? Check. Nash? Every year. JKidd? (2003 finals, right? I think it was NJ they beat that year). Deron? (Utah ’07, right?) Rip Hamilton/Chauncy Billups in 2005. Time and again he gets it done. He is fearless, and a winner. Tony Parker has more rings on 3 fingers than the rest of them put together.
by dfjmed on Dec 3, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really agree with some of stuff you wrote, Bushka, but it was a good post nevertheless.
I’m going to rec it. I forget we can do that all the time…
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because you are going to rec it
I will send you a gift basket full of Kangaroos. Express post.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
by Bushka on Dec 3, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. I can ride in their body… bags (whatever), right?
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be interested to know how many Gretsky like assists (passes that lead to passes that lead to scores) the spurs as a team have. Because they seem to make so many extra passes and have done the past 6 years or so. In this system a Tony Parker is what we need.
This is a fantastic point. The Popovich Offense is not built around one guy dribbling and then distributing the ball to a variety of players. In fact, when you see PGs averaging 8+ assists per game, most of the of those guys were on running teams, meaning they got assists on the break. In a halfcourt system like Pop’s, the right play is to swing the ball until it finds someone open, then that guy shoots. And there’ll be a different “swinger” every time due to the motion of the cutters. Pop’s ideal stat sheet probably has about 60% of the FGs assisted and everyone having 3-5 assists. That’s the way she’s built, campers. Nobody – not Tony nor George nor especially The JV – will average 10 assists for this team, even if it was their strong suit (which is why I was against them pursuing Kidd a few years ago).
One other argument that supports this: they drafted George Hill, not some passing PG from Europe or a small US college. Hill played more 2-guard than anything else at IUPUI and is learning to play point in the NBA. He fits more in Tony’s mold than he does a classic Stockton-esque PG. He fits the system better.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley
by spurchief on Dec 3, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point, spurchief, I see exactly what you mean.
I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili
by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 3, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Parker article
I love reading this articl. It rings true, and was posted 27 days ago by cec21. http://blog.yoonew.com/2008/11/tony-parker-is-3rd-best-point-guard-in.html
by dfjmed on Dec 3, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Part of the reason I vote 'NO TRADE'
Tony and Manu are steals for the talent they provide at their salaries. Tim can make whatever and he’s a deal, doesn’t matter. Here is this year’s list of salaries for 08-09 as provided by draftexpress.com
Name Salary
Kevin Garnett $24,751,934
Jason Kidd $21,372,000
Jermaine O’Neal $21,372,000
Kobe Bryant $21,262,500
Tracy McGrady $21,126,874
Allen Iverson $20,840,625
Stephon Marbury $20,840,625
Tim Duncan $20,598,704
Shaquille O’Neal $20,000,000
Steve Francis $18,364,480
Dirk Nowitzki $18,077,904
Paul Pierce $18,077,903
Shawn Marion $17,810,000
Ray Allen $17,388,430
Rashard Lewis $16,447,871
Michael Redd $15,780,000
Andrei Kirilenko $15,106,000
Pau Gasol $15,106,000
Amare Stoudemire $15,070,550
Yao Ming $15,070,550
Mike Bibby $14,983,603
Vince Carter $14,724,125
Zach Randolph $14,666,667
Gilbert Arenas $14,653,466
Ben Wallace $14,500,000
Kenyon Martin $14,431,818
Dwyane Wade $14,410,581
Chris Bosh $14,410,581
Carmelo Anthony $14,410,581
LeBron James $14,410,581
Joe Johnson $14,232,566
Lamar Odom $14,148,596
Elton Brand $13,757,844
Rasheed Wallace $13,680,000
Wally Szczerbiak $13,275,000
Richard Jefferson $13,200,000
Dwight Howard $13,041,250
Larry Hughes $12,827,676
Raef LaFrentz $12,722,500
Peja Stojakovic $12,528,000
Steve Nash $12,250,000
Jason Richardson $12,222,221
Carlos Boozer $11,593,817
Erick Dampier $11,553,000
45 – Tony Parker $11,550,000
Tyson Chandler $11,400,000
Brad Miller $11,375,000
Andre Iguodala $11,300,000
Marcus Camby $11,250,000
Baron Davis $11,250,000
Samuel Dalembert $11,138,564
Chauncey Billups $11,050,000
Al Jefferson $11,000,000
Monta Ellis $11,000,000
Zydrunas Ilgauskas $10,841,615
Richard Hamilton $10,812,500
Josh Howard $10,445,000
Andre Miller $10,233,333
Troy Murphy $10,126,984
Kirk Hinrich $10,000,000
Josh Smith $10,000,000
Antawn Jamison $9,923,285
Bobby Simmons $9,920,000
64 – Manu Ginobili $9,905,248
I think Manu way better than a top 64 player and I think Tony is better than a top 45 player.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hughes, Francis, Kirilenko, LaFrentz, Stojakovic, Dampier, Hinrich, Simmons.
Hah.
by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord, Steve Francis @ $18 mill, Wally Szzerbiak@ 13mill?? Kirk Hinrich@ 10 mill?? What are my hometown Bulls thinking?! I love how we reward mediocrity.
by dfjmed on Dec 3, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It should also be noted that players 2 and 3 on the list are on the contracts that we helped them get when we were pursuing them as free agents. Thankfully, we lost and ended up with #’s 45 and 64 instead for less money.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how about Jermaine O'Neal
He is out with knee issues again. Thats 20 million per gimpy season.
T’Mac is another one thats been tough to get value for money from.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
by Bushka on Dec 3, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF!
How the hell does Tony make more than Manu???? That is the most ASSenine thing I have ever heard of. This is what I would pay them:
Tim Duncan $20,598,704
Manu Ginobilli $20,598,703.99
Tony Parker $9,999,999.99 (In honor of his jersey #)
Manu needs a new agent.
"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"
by SinCitySpur on Dec 3, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manu would be making more money if he had decided to play in Denver when he was a free agent. It’s not about his agent, it’s about Manu knowingly taking less to keep winning titles.
That said, if I were Manu, I’d be pretty pissed that Tony made more money than I did! Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Manu either a) doesn’t know or b) doesn’t care.
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by tomasito on Dec 3, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no way Manu could have lived through playing in Denver.
He’d lay down justice on all those hombres.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
by Bushka on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manu needs to hire the agent(s) of Stephon Marbury aka The Self-Proclaimed Best Point Guard In The League and/or Stevie “Franchise” Francis.
"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"
by SinCitySpur on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realise that if Manu makes more than Tony, the Spurs would have to get even crappier bench players.
At the moment, it’s about $40m to the Big 3 and the balance to the rest.
If Manu made $5m more, that’s $45m and less balance to the rest.
Unless you are talking about taking some from Tony to give to Manu. Tony’s wife is a movie star anyway.
by werdnawee on Dec 3, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t get any crappier than The JV, Udon’tka, KT and Fab (for the first 17 games at least).
"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"
by SinCitySpur on Dec 3, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, please do not challenge the front office like this.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 3, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have complete faith
In the front office. Lets bring Robert Horry back from his crypt to fill up the stat sheet.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
by Bushka on Dec 3, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s Avery up to these days? I think he would be a decent 3rd string PG.
"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"
by SinCitySpur on Dec 3, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha, I’m sure the FO can dig up a few cheaper guys.
Hopefully Pop and RC doesn’t read this and take it as a personal challenge.
by werdnawee on Dec 3, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks bushka, you put it well. stop with the “trade TP” stuff, I guarantee you won’t find another PG this good.
As for assists, Deron and especially CP3 get assists accounted to them when I don’t think they deserve it (maybe Deron but all they do is pick and roll, and use a shit ton of screens in the halfcourt). I remember somebody rewatched one of our Western Conference Semifinal games when Paul had like 14 assists given to him, and according to what I believe accounts for an assist, he only should have gotten 8 or so. I think one of Nash’s MVP trophy’s should have gone to someone else because his stats (scoring and assists) were inflated due to the Dantoni’s run-and-gun system.
An assist in my view is a pass to a player who scores without dribbling the ball after the pass. For example, TP driving into the middle and kicking the rock back out to our wing players. Or TP passing it to Finley for a midrange shot after he got a screen. Something of that sort. Every scorekeeper has their own interpretation on what an assist is, i guess. Keep in mind, the way we play with the extra passes, it seems our assists are spread out fairly evenly across our players.
I like our Le Baguette de Parker. It’s been 17 games, they are learning eachothers styles right now. Remember before tony hurt his ankle, he was lighting teams up, even though we couldn’t win a game before he got hurt. My rants over, I know my comments are all jumbled, i just suck at writing and arguing my point coherently.
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Dec 3, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good rants by all. (and great points made too)
The team is what it is (but anything can happen in the NBA)
by werdnawee on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And when the team goes on a 12 game win streak or another deep playoff run, this chatter will all be forgotten.
Just one last thing – TRADE THE JV!!! (for the FO, that’s Jacque Vaughn)
by werdnawee on Dec 3, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should bring The GIST up on our team so we can go on a 67 game win streak to end the season, and then have Stern just give us the trophy when GIST threatens to eat his family
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Dec 3, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit!
I’m at work all day and I miss all the good stuff! My company has this site blocked. This site has officially become NSFW, and that was BEFORE the pics of dunking cheerleaders wreaked havoc.
All this talk about trading ANY member of the Big Three is poppycock! I’m just as guilty of making suggestions (jokingly) of trades and such, but come on guys, seriously, it’s crazy talk.
If it were not for TP, we would have only beat the Cavs 4-1 in the finals, maybe 4-2 at worst. What really needs to happen is a trade, release, cut, reassignment of The JV.
"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"
by SinCitySpur on Dec 3, 2008 8:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As Joan Baez might say, re: the wee Frenchman:
“Don’t it always seem to go… that you don’t know what you got ‘til it’s gone.”
With Tony, we get many, many layup attempts per game. Most of the time he makes them. Another underrated aspect of his game is he makes the Spurs all but immune to full-court pressure D. He’s so quick and such a good dribbler that a press is practically an engraved invitation for a free basket.
Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!
by tomasito on Dec 3, 2008 9:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
duly noted
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Dec 4, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Hi's WIFE!!!
Eversince he maried EVA (Longoria)
1.He cannot concentrate on his game.
2. Everytime he wanted to pass the ball, he saw Face[s] of Eva’s Ex’sssssss…So he wouldnt pass the ball..
3. Stop Rap[ing]… No French ever become succesful in RAP Music..
iLove Spurs eversince David “The Admiral” Robinson carrying this team.
#4, Last but not the Least…..
STOP ADDING MORE EUROPEAN PLAYER….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace
by spoiled on Dec 4, 2008 2:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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