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"I hate Tony Parker/God save the Mace" - phx suns recap

I was so close to just posting political pictures and giving self-assumed witty political commentary speckled throughout this recap. But then I realized…… I’m not an asshole. If you’re looking for anything non-SPURS, you’re going to Daily Kos or National Review or Sean Hannity or Move On. Who am I to assume that my opinions are worth a shit outside of things SPURS related? Hell, even SPURS-related my opinions aren’t that special. It would take either a complete idiot or a complete asshole to assume that either his opinions are so conformed and mainstream that he’s safe to venture into non-SPURS drivel; or it would take someone who doesn’t give a shit about offending you. Unfortunately, I’m not an idiot. Or a complete asshole. And I don’t want to offend you. Usually. So you have to deal with just SPURS stuff today. Anyway, all that ranting aside and speaking of assholes, let’s talk about phoenix.

 

I had a dream last night.

I dreamed that just for a day, we made perfect defensive rotations. We funneled drivers to the baseline, and Timmy and Bonner rotated back to eliminate easy shots. We challenged each shooter; not be going for the ridiculously overrated blocking stat, but instead had a hand in every face and made each attempt extremely difficult. We hustled on loose balls, and didn’t make an extreme amount of mental errors. In my dream, Tony drove the lane to draw the D in, then kicked out consistently to the open shooters, who then efficiently made their shots. In addition, Timmy focused on owning the paint and didn’t shy away from double teams by settling for 15-foot jumpers. Bonner had another huge game, as each time Timmy was doubled he kicked it across the lane to an open Red Rocket. We controlled the pace, and we fought hard to achieve a victory over an incredibly talented rival.

But that was only a dream. And completely the opposite in every way from what actually happened on Christmas Day in Phoenix. For 47 minutes and 45 seconds, I felt sick to my stomach. Completely nauseous. Like you’d feel if you drank ipecac.

First off, let’s get this out of the way. It’s a miracle that we pulled that out. No doubt about it, we didn’t play that great. Phx seemed to be playing pretty well and gelling nicely, even the top-notch announcing team headlined by Hubie "Skeletor" Brown seemed to notice. Flat out miracle. Several times out of ten, that shot doesn’t fall for Roger and we’re singing the Christmas blues right now. That one play represented 94% of the good that Tony Parker performed in that game, and were it not for basketball mojo we’d have a very short recap today. When you win like that after playing well, it’s the cherry on the sundae. When you win like that after playing FAR below your abilities, it’s the cheese on the shit-sandwich.

That doesn’t even make sense. We dodged a bullet, that’s all I’m saying. Thank God we have Tim Duncan.

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They're in the waaaaaayyyyy back, dark corner of your local Foot Locker.

 

Ooooooohhhhh Timmy. Watching Timmy never gets old. Do you realize that even as good as Amare is, even if he somehow quickly learned to play defense and maintained it for the rest of his career…… at the end you still couldn’t put him in the top 5 PF conversation headlined by Timothy Duncan. Tim is the only player in the association who can effectively play the Big Snaq straight up one-on-one, and that's saying something. Think about it....the ONLY one. Every other team is incapable of using anything but the double- or triple-team to slow him down when he's on. And today Timmy rendered Snaq useless for most of the 2nd half. Duncan is so freakin brilliant that he disables your ability to see how freakin brilliant he is. KG is a great contrast here; cause KG usually screams at you to get your attention for how freakin brilliant he is, as if somehow he’s insecure that you might not actually appreciate his talents or may have completely overlooked them. To me though, being freakin brilliant at basketball is kinda like being black. If you are, you don’t need to remind people.

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Everyone do your best Snaq impersonation....NOW!

 

And TD is freakin brilliant at basketball. He’s just good at it. Wizard held Amare scoreless on three straight possessions in the paint in the 4th, without drawing a foul. And he had 5 fouls at the time. Considering Amare’s their moneymaker, that’s pretty freakin brilliant. He held us together all day, even though he got very angry several times over his repeated paint-muggings being ignored. But when you’re in phoenix, on Christmas Day, in a nationally televised game….. you should probably anticipate that kind of thing. You guys know what I mean.

We started off the game sluggish and lazy, and it didn’t get much better until about 4 minutes left in the fourth. Do not lull yourself into believing that we were savvy and gritty, and that we fought back into the game as any good team does. The fact that we were only 2-6 points down for the majority of the game has a very real and simple explanation. The 2008-9 kleenex suns are not a good basketball team. They’re just not. We ended the 1st quarter having shot 29% to their 55%, and were only down 9. At the end of the 2nd, we were only down 6 and had shot only 33%. For those of you who don’t follow basketball much, those aren’t good percentages. We have much further to go to compete with the big boys in the NBA, but games like this give me hope. We can easily identify what went wrong, and what went right.

First off, what went wrong.

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Zoost becuz I’s dizn’t haz de best game ehz it pertainz to ze mental does’zent mean I am not good playa, weee?

 

Tony had horrendous position D the entire game. He didn’t switch on screens that went baseline, he didn’t funnel drivers to the post men, he didn’t pass effectively and he hurried shots. This can be best witnessed by the last 1 minute of the game. Tony drove the lane rushing a teardrop with a full shotclock and open perimeter shooters, then immediately went on to ignore a switch on the other end allowing Grant Hill to score what was likely the deciding bucket. You guys wonder why I stress transition D- when you don’t communicate effectively on the baseline to rotate and cover Finley’s man as he drives uncontested to the basket………. you’re not playing smart basketball.

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Like Frenchie, Matt Barnes' lockdown D is not exactly known the world over.

 

Also, our quick shooting was painful to watch. It appears as though Friday’s practice will include drills on utilizing the 24-second shot clock, because that was done sparingly during the phoenix game. In addition, the suns absolutely killed us on backdoor cuts. All night we allowed the baseline or the low block to be open because we fronted on the pick and roll. Although we didn’t allow any major P&R lapses as we’re accustomed to when we play Nash and Amare, 2 points scored is still 2 points scored regardless of how.

As for the good? I’ve already mentioned Tim Duncan, and that pretty much covers it. So let’s focus on the other players. Manu was mortal tonight, if for no other reason but to give us earthlings hope of personal greatness. The ankle was clearly bothering him and he hobbled on it several times that I saw. Bonner gradually figured out how to clog the lane with his hands held up and only finished with a team worst -11. Mason, although saving the game for us at the buzzer took no other shots and played only that possession in the 2nd half. Tony took 23 shots to get to his game-high 27, but did thoroughly abuse Nash as it pertained to "lateral movement." Findog went 2-3 on threes and was very spry tonight. Bruce…. not so much. Ime never left the bench with a DNP-CD and is starting to concern me. He was very cozy with the JV and that’s never a good sign, just ask Blake Ahern.

Overall, we played just well enough to squeak out a win on Christmas Day playing an overrated underachieving team. Watching the Big Snaq play now is just comical- When the only ones that really respect you are in the ESPN marketing department, then your time is done. When you need "days rest" between games to be an effective NBA player, you’re done.

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Whoops, my bad.

 

And the most important part of the game, the part you've all heard and likely already seen on the highlights- The Mason Threeball. Tony allows the Hill backdoor layup by not switching, putting phx up 2 with less than five seconds to play. SPURS drive the court and after drawing the triple-team, Tony kicks out to an open Mace who drains the 3 at the buzzer. Fans sat motionless, stunned again that San Antonio had bested them on their home court. I've said it before, but there really is nothing greater than seeing little kids clad in orange crying on Christmas Day after your team just ripped the joy from their little whiny bodies. I'm surprised you didn't hear me, because you could have heard a mouse sneeze in the arena after the buzzer. A few of the most delusional waited cautiously for the replay, but it was clearly good upon the release. We won, SPURS fans, and it's exciting knowing that we're only getting better. Congratulations Roger Mason, you've won my heart eternally. Now please try and avoid shooting yourself in the leg or getting caught in an airport with a bag of crystal meth.

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I'm with you now. I'm with you. -SiMA, 12/25/08

 

To summarily recap this game, we could have played much, much better while they likely couldn’t have. And we won. In a dramatic, emotional way. In phoenix on Christmas. It was wonderful and beautiful and joyous. The suns obviously have individual talent, but the sum of the parts don’t make a working machine. D’Antoni’s run-and-gun culture still exists, though they deny it here. Nash still simply plays too quickly and too rushed for half his team, and there are too many alpha-dogs on the team to keep a cohesive structure. They are still unable to play in the half court and look lost when attempting to. The suns are like the Denver in that they are entertainers first, professional basketball players second. But regardless of where this team is at the end of the year, it’s such a joy to beat them. Manu may be a flopper at some times, but he’s starting next to Steve Nash and Amare on the All-Flop Team.

I still defy you to convince me that that's not at least 45% flop.

Your three stars-

3.) Michael Finley- went 2-3 on threes and as I said, looked spry. Anytime I can write "spry" and "Michael Finley" in the same sentence he gets a star.

2.) Roger Mason- though he didn’t do much for the game (3-7 for 7 points), he hit the shot that will define his early regular season career with the San Antonio SPURS.

1.) Tim Duncan- It’ll likely be a cold day in hell before anyone takes this spot in one of my recaps. He’s just too freakin brilliant. 25/17/3 on 25 shots, and a pantload of intangibles.

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PS- Some of you may think that I'm being cruel and mean again. "Damn, that was harsh." To that thought I say, "Come to phoenix and watch a game. Listen to the entitlement combined with bitterness and lack of accountability." As a person who is blessed to see games all over the country, it's truly unique here. They absolutely hate us with unbridled rage. They consider us they're primary rival (as most every other team in the league- you ever notice that?!), except they've never really bested us enough to qualify. It is being IN phoenix then that you will understand my relentlessness. I can be relentless AND be a good sport, can't I? I hope that I've done that, and not gone against our culture as a team in my analysis of things.

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If not, phoenix has plenty of extras for you.

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Brilliant line here!

Duncan is so freakin brilliant that he disables your ability to see how freakin brilliant he is. KG is a great contrast here; cause KG usually screams at you to get your attention for how freakin brilliant he is, as if somehow he’s insecure that you might not actually appreciate his talents or may have completely overlooked them.

by GuamND on Dec 26, 2008 12:41 AM CST reply actions  

Brilliant game, brilliant recap.

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by Linix129 on Dec 26, 2008 12:43 AM CST reply actions  

I haven't even finished the recap yet

and I just had to post about how funny the family guy clip was

I laughed longer than I have in weeks — too perfect. ipecac based humor rules

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 26, 2008 1:11 AM CST reply actions  

Great recap...

but, honestly, I didn’t see a terrible defensive game by the Spurs. I was really happy with their pick and roll defense and how they held phoenix to 75 shots with about 14 turnovers. There was one give and go where George Hill was left in the dust, but other than that, I thought he did a superb job with the P&R defense. To me, the closeness came down to the Spurs bricking a ton of shots, especially in the first quarter. I didn’t see what their shooting percentage was for the last 3 quarters, but I also didn’t see a time the rest of the game where they went 3:00 shooting 1-9. All told, I think they took 91 shots, but only made 4 more total than Phoenix did. That’s terrible.

by Jason Roberts on Dec 26, 2008 1:29 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I should have expounded more on that point. Our overall D wasn’t terrible, but individual defensive performances were. Mason didn’t play until the final shot because Pop was upset that he wasn’t rotating to the help man. Manu played average, but wasn’t as quick to the ball on defense. Tony……I’m not even getting in to Tony, he got his ass chewed enough. We were fortunate in that during the 2nd half, the suns percentage dropped. My take on that was that it wasn’t because we ratcheted things up so much as they went cold. And Tim Duncan cures many lapses in our outer rim, that helps inflate the team defense perception as well.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 26, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice, excellent, terrific — well done on the recap. Thanks stepping up to do it.

A few thoughts/observations: in the TV interview with Pop before the 2nd, The Beard actually said that the only thing he was concerned about was the offense. HE NEVER SAYS THAT. Also, he was polite and wasn’t sarcastic at all. Acting nice for Christmas must be really weird for Pop.

I love, absolutely love, the pic you posted of Timmeh congratulating Mace Windu. Yeah, it’s cool that Tim’s the first one to him and it’s good to see Roger enjoying the moment, but what truly priceless is the expressions and body language of the Suns fans who just had their hearts ripped out.

Such a large amount of diversity: there’s grudging respect (guy in the pink shirt whose face is right next to Mason’s triceps), stunned shock/ expressionless disbelief (red long-sleeved shirt in the front row w/arms crossed at the far left side of the pic; and the man whose head is immediately above Tim’s), exasperated in a it’s-so-bad-you-just-got-to-laugh way (white long sleeved shirt, standing by the rail directly above Tim’s head, dark-haired lady to the right of him, in a maroon jacket and black checkered scarf, goatee guy in the upper-right corner of the pic wearing red shirt w/black stripes). Then there are the undescribe-ables (guy with short black hair wearing an orange shirt with the sleeves pushed up and his arms crossed and hunched over a bit – he looks like he’s just been kicked in the crotch and doesn’t want to let on how much he hurts [btw, this is likely what I looked like after the .04 game]) and the inexplicables (guy with his son in a white PHX jersey — the father almost looks happy, but he’s obviously checking on the kid to be sure that he’s there for him if the little dude busts out into tears, but if so – why does he seem so happy?). And I haven’t even gotten to the put-your-hands-on-your-head-and-look-away move (grey sweater, up and to the right of grin-and-bear-it guy) and the bite-your-fist-to-keep-from-screaming-in-agony (the woman in the white shirt and black striped vest, up and to the right of hunched over guy). Finally, the dude on the front row, in between Grudging Respect and Stunned Shock appears to be checking out TD’s glutes — I don’t know what else to write about him, except he looks as though he’s either about to rip off his credentials and go cry for an hour, or that he’s about to ask GOAT Puff out.

And this is only a tiny portion of the crowd. Just think of all the reactions we’re missing.

Suffice it to say that a picture really IS worth a thousand words. But I’m going to stop here and say that it was a well chosen photo. Kudos.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 26, 2008 2:04 AM CST reply actions  

Heh, jolly, this was the perfect reply. I hadn’t read the comments and when I reached that pic I also focused on the Phoenix fans’ expressions. I also think it would be sweet to have more photos of the crowd at that moment. In the video recap at ESPN there’s a fan that grabs his head the moment Mason launchs his 3 – poor guy.

by LatinD on Dec 26, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Love the analysis of the Pic

Here’s Roger’s YouTube Moment…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5AO7TFIJRA

Notice the nameless Suns fan giving his one fingered “approval” of Mason’s shot at 2:10 in the clip, upper right corner…

Gotta love it!

by LeftHandedTexan on Dec 26, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thats a good find right there.

by r21x on Dec 26, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, LHT.

As far as the “approval” is concerned … um, that’s either a peace sign or the European “V” which is the equivalent of shooting the bird, but I’m pretty sure that I see two fingers at the 2:10 mark, although it’s hard to tell if the palm is facing in or out.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 27, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Look next to the peace sign. Theres another hand in there giving a more familiar negative gesture.

by r21x on Dec 28, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

aha — thanks for the help seeing as that’s at 2:12 mark on my youtube

yes, I can be THAT pedantic

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 29, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

and I almost forgot — nice to see you’ve joined the dark side, as far as McWonderbutt is concerned

with so many people souring on him, it should only be a week or two and I’ll be ready to break out a “Give Tony a break, everybody!” fanpost.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 26, 2008 3:37 AM CST reply actions  

Great recap, I’m glad I didn’t ruin it by baiting you to post your thoughts in the game thread, it was worth the wait.

Funny how a game like that, when the announcers were gushing about Parker, will cause me to stop defending TP. From the days of yore, when I used to frequent SpursReport, I always stood up for TP against the haters. No more.

He is an incredibly talented basketball players, his hard work is evidenced by the fact that he is now a very good jump shooter, but he does not make very good decisions on the court, offensively or defensively. His possessions the last minute or so of the game had much cursing so much that my family ushered the little ones out of the room.

 I want to think this will improve with age, but he has been in the league for 7 years, so I don’t think that is worth hoping for. The best we can hope for is that Pop straightens his ass out and makes sure he learns his role just like the rest of the team has to.

I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili

by pollackj on Dec 26, 2008 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

As one of the unofficial Tony-apologists circulating on this site, I have to say two things about yesterday’s game and your recap, SiMA:

1. I don’t think you should be off of the TP bandwagon permanently. I’ll save you a seat. I’ll explain why in a minute.

2. That said, he was AWFUL yesterday. There were a half-dozen things about his putrid performance you left out, like when, on a 3-1 fastbreak, Timmeh ran the floor (after getting the steal) and Frenchy did not give it up to a running big man, which you ALWAYS need to do, unless he is completely covered. There were lots of others.

I’ve been thinking about something a PtR genius posted a week or two ago (don’t remember for sure, but I think it was either pollackj or rick2g) about how Tony is a better passer when he is scoring well. The more I’ve thought about it, the more I think it is spot on. When Tony is having an efficient scoring game, he tends to pass better and in the right situations. During those games, for whatever reason, he seems to be content with passing and is thinking about passing earlier into his drive. When he is having an inefficient scoring game (like, say, 27 points on 10-23 shooting), he gets too deep in the lane trying to get his shot before he thinks about giving it up. It’s a brilliant insight and I wish Pop could figure out a way to reach him mid-game and tell him to turn it off.

Reasons not to get off the bandwagon:

1. As frustrating as Tony is at times, these inefficient games of his (I have taken to calling them AI games – after the Answer of course – because they look good if all you look at are points) have decreased in numbers over the past few years. They also tend to occur when one or more of the other Big Three are struggling and TP has a matchup he thinks he can exploit. Also, they occur when the team is in the midst of a rough patch and not playing well and he tries to do too much. And, record not withstanding, that’s where we are right now. The team has won, but not played well in a couple of weeks.

2. At some point, the team will get back into a rhythm, which we all believe will happen sooner rather than later. Tony will return to his 16 point-7 assist, part-of-the-machine ways. He’s a GREAT 3rd of the BIg Three, he can pass for a 2nd of the Big Three and he’s a lousy 1st of the Big Three (except against Cleveland, whom he seems to own). When he gets to be the 3rd guy, he’s in the right role for our team. But sometimes, fate thrusts him higher in the pecking order than he needs to be and we have to live the results of that.

3. Realizing he’s not our “dream” point guard, what are we going to do? He would have enormous trade value (as JRW likes to point out) but not midseason on a team that is a legit contender and I doubt they are going to break up this core before Tim retires. And honestly, have you seen who starts at point for half the league? My word, it’s a mess. The point guard position is simply disappearing at the NBA level. Kevin Ollie started at point for Minny the other night. Jameer Nelson starts at point for one of the best team in the East. Brandon Roy starts at point for Portland because they can’t find anyone else to do it and they don’t trust Steve Blake. Phil Jackson gave up on true point guards years ago and is rolling with the Derek Fishers of the world.

We’re stuck with him for the foreseeable future. We’ll gripe to no end (myself included) when he plays like he did yesterday; we’ll cheer him when he gets hot and plays within his role. We just have to pray that Tim and Pop can keep him grounded and that when the games matter, he plays just well enough to help us win, which in spite of the suckitude, he did yesterday. The final assist was his, as SiMA pointed out.

And when Tim retires, we’ll trade him to the Clippers and start rebuilding.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley

by spurchief on Dec 26, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

You have seen the future

"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."

by Chilai on Dec 26, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Your argument is compelling, and for that only I will place TP on “probation.” It’s as good as being off the bandwagon, but it just means I’ll be watching him more closely and intolerant of any lapses. Basically, I’m just going to adopt Stampler’s view of Manu, minus the abject hatred and vitriol.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 28, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

[all huffy] oh, so Stampler’s view is that more compelling and cool for you to adopt over mine?

who’s blog is this anyway?

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 29, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if the joke has been made here, but...

isn’t Coach Pop the first thing you think of when you see the “Gran Torino” commercial where Clint Eastwood is pointing the shotgun at those kids and softly, yet scarily declares, “Get off my lawn?” I think he may have written that line.

by Jason Roberts on Dec 26, 2008 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

One thing that I caught and I haven’t seen mentioned yet. Let me state first that Manu is hands down my favorite player EVER. Even above the great Dave Robinson. Now, at the end of the game when Mason hit the game winner everyone rushed him and congratulated him as you would expect. Manu instantly started toward the locker room. I can’t help but wonder if there was a bit of resentment in Manu when Mason hit the game winner since those big shots are usually reserved for Manu or Tim. Also Manu is pressing too much instead of letting the game come to him. He even said it himself in an interview recently. I think it was a post game. If Tony were playing the way Manu was we’d be killing him and if Manu had the game winning assist all would be forgiven no matter what he did earlier in the game.

by speedostuffer on Dec 26, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

Just want to point out that Manu has had nothing but compliments for Mason so far. I doubt he resents him in any way.

by LatinD on Dec 26, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I read the situation a little differently. Manu raises his hand in celebration and starts toward Mason, but then he hesitates. I think he was thinking they should all be running into the locker room. (I know that’s all we heard after the Derek Fisher .04 shot).

I also saw a local sports report after the game and they showed video of Manu, Tim, Mason and a few other Spurs gathered around a monitor outside their locker room viewing a replay of the final shot. If you’ll remember, the crowd stayed in the building while the officiating crew made a determination of whether Mase hit a 2 or 3 point shot and whether he got the shot off on time.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Dec 27, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, this is right on. Manu holds no ill will towards Mace and is the ultimate team-player. Another thing that hasn’t been touched on is that the fact many were quickly rushing off the court is because they knew the shot would be reviewed; and it’s always better to be completely off the court and in the locker room if not on the bus or back at the hotel when the verdict comes down. The shady nature of NBA officials is such that I’ve seen many times officials simply letting a blown call fade away because everything was clearly ‘over’ around them and the teams had left the floor. Sad and unfair, but it’s the game we now love. Manu was likely acting as any smart professional veteran would, and quickly leaving the scene to avoid any doubt about the win.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 28, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I like both of those explinations a lot better

by speedostuffer on Dec 27, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Point guard is always the weakest spot on the floor defensively. The missed rotation by Tony on Grant Hill was Grade A awful. Not enough to jump off his bandwagon but it was bad.

He did pick up 4 steals last night. Tony is not a steals guy. He doesn’t even average one. So there is that.

Aside from that great recap!

PS Ime can keep picking up DNPs intill he figures out how to actually not be completely useless offensively.

by r21x on Dec 26, 2008 10:15 PM CST reply actions  

Great recap, but if you think you’ll stop political humor in this site, you sir, are sadly mistaken.
Take this!

by Hipuks on Dec 26, 2008 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

Great recap, SiMA, as always. I had lots of fun reading it, and it was especially important to me because I missed what was probably the biggest game of the season so far. Thanks a lot.

Regarding the first paragraph… What did I miss? I’m guilty of off-topicness from time to time, but it was always for the sake of humor and in good fun. I’m sure that was everyone else’s spirit, too. (I was expecting you to comment on the link from your nick in the preview, by the way… But only if you thought it was funny. :)

Anyway, SiMA, this was otstanding. I’m gonna go now and use the little time I have left in this cybercafe to put together a rushed preview for tomorrow’s game, which I’ll also miss, because I’m a huge loser.

by LatinD on Dec 26, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

SiMA is a republican. Lately, the republicans have been getting their ass handed to them by the American people. I’m sure it was the pictures of Bush w/ the witty comments and the lovin on Obama’s basketball skills that set him off.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Dec 28, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it actually would surprise many to learn that I’m not a GOPer. I don’t post political pics and don’t like reading about politics……..ON A SPURS BLOG. Just like keeping to the program and staying on script, that’s all. And Bush-bashing/Obama-loving is too easy and somewhat cliched at this point; I like to think that we’re deeper and more talented as bloggers than to resort to that theme. I think it segments people and turns them quickly off of a site that has grown to, I believe, be one of the best on the interweb.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 28, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to disagree. Part of what makes this blog special and unique are the many different forks in the road that people take knowing that we’ll all eventually return to the main purpose of PTR.

I love hearing about this groups idiosyncrasies, hobbies, likes and dislikes… from root beers, to restaurants to Stampler’s Bar updates. Not to mention Matthew’s fucking awesome things list and Cmoney’s wonderful videos. Also hipuks endearing fish fetish, scrappy’s weird travelogues & short stories and of course Sima’s strange allegience to the Cracker Barrel and all things concerning the mojo.

Having said that, I understand there are certain subjects that are off limits…. Let’s see…. No cheerleaders, no use of the B, P, C or V words (you know… the ones that demean women). And although I would love to talk about Hope and Change and Barack Obama, I know I hated reading about the other side for the past 8 years. When you’re on the opposite side of issues and parties and ideologies, all of those types of conversations very much suck the life out of your soul.

Sooo, no politics, no religion… that should probably be on the list, too… shouldn’t it? Apparently sexual references are still O.K.?

Oh, screw it…. I still heart Obama! Sorry, I had to get just one little bitty mention in. ;-)

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Dec 29, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Bella. It would be one thing if someone wrote a post about politics, but that hasn’t really happened. It’s just been a few comments here and there on threads. I look at the threads as the online equivalent of a bunch of buddies watching the game and shooting the breeze. Sometimes we get off topic, but who cares? Nobody’s really been pushing an agenda, just making silly jokes.

For that matter, what’s up with pictures of fish on a Spurs blog? Stampler’s run-ins with drunken bar patrons? Or Chuck Norris jokes? How are those related? I could just as easily make the point that I don’t want to hear about those on a SPURS blog. And yet, PtR wouldn’t be PtR without them.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on Dec 29, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ll be really short and sweet so as not to further be misunderstood.

1.) Please try to respect others.
2.) Act like you’ve been there before.

Politics and religion are subjects generally considered best avoided. Chuck Norris/Stampler’s career/fish topics aren’t polarizing and not even close to comparable, but if someone gets offended anyway we’re all likely respectful enough to cut it off. Not to mention that off-topic rambling about fish add color to the site. Discussing politics or even referencing it for most of us only diminishes credibility. Again see life coaching suggestions #s 1 and 2.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 30, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...

…or perhaps settle it by means of a knife fight.

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by tomasito on Dec 30, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

oooh, I'm in...

I just have one question…. are we the Jets or the Sharks?

Maybe we’re the Montagues? or the Capulets?

Just let me know, I’ll have to pick out an appropriate ensemble.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Dec 30, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Dec 30, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

agree to disagree or knife fight
agree to disagree … or … knife fight
agree to disagree
hmmm
or knife fight

wow, it’s too close to call — could I maybe flip a coin?

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 30, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

“I was expecting you to comment on the link from your nick in the preview”

You gotta refresh my memory. Holidays, traveling and family have made the last week or so very chaotic and I haven’t been able to respond promptly or even remember all that’s been said on the site. I’m dying to know what you’re referring to here!

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 28, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, it’s not too important. Just linked your nick to wiki’s entry for “Christmas cracker”. A small dig at you, meant in good fun.

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

DAMMMMMMMITTTTTTTTT!!!

Your reminder totally just now brought me back to that!! I DID catch that (you know I did) and had planned to address it but since I had spent all of Christmas doing Christmas stuff and then fighting phx traffic the rest of the day, when I wrote the recap it was late and I was exhausted. Totally forgot to. And it blows because I had this funny little plan (when I was thinking about what I was going to say in my recap) in which I would link your name to here. It was gonna be hilarious.

Keep your jabs coming, I won’t let you down again.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 28, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Really insightful recap, Sima. You hit on a lot of important points… especially regarding the greatness of Tim Duncan. He has got to be one of the smartest basketball players to ever play the game.

I also really have to agree with Spurchief about TP. His success at the point guard position truly seems to be influenced by his own productivity. I’m not a huge TP fan… I usually spend half the game frustrated by his choices.

That being said, he’s been the point guard of 3 championship teams. How many other PG’s have that listed on their resume?

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Dec 27, 2008 12:45 AM CST reply actions  

True. Valid points. But….

I find myself questioning more and more these days how much of that was Duncan/Gino related and whether we wouldn’t have duplicated the same successes we’ve had with ANYBODY running the point. Timmy tends to make everyone look really, really good and that likely has lots to do with Tony’s resume. Don’t get me wrong, I think TP’s a good player, but I get increasingly exasperated with his selfish play and ridiculous decisions on the court. I feel like I’ve reached my breaking point and that a PG with his pedigree shouldn’t be making the bad choices he does as habit.

Plus, I needed someone to drop out of line so that my man-crush for Roger could escalate.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 28, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If the question is: Could we have won chips 2 through 4 with ANYBODY running the point? Then I’d have to come down (very heavily) in the pro-TP camp. Well, putting 2003 aside — since while Tony started, he didn’t finish (thankfully for us, and Eva, he’s seemed to have solved that problem) that year — you’ve got the Detroit and Cleveland Finals, and I’ve got to say that there were plenty of PG’s who would have made the Cavs series more interesting (for Cavs fans), and the series with the Pistons was on a razor’s edge. Even the slightest downgrade on anyone’s part, and the series could’ve tipped.

So, when you look back, it’s not just about, “Could another PG have done what Frenchy did?” but it’s also “Could someone else not do what McWonder didn’t do?” As in, make turnovers he didn’t make. Miss defensive rotations that he didn’t miss. Fail to make free throws that he didn’t fail to miss … uh, this negative thing is getting confusing. That’s enough, I think I’VE made (failed to make) my point sufficiently well (badly) without going any further.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 29, 2008 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t not understand what it is you’re not saying. Incompletely.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 29, 2008 2:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually guffawed when I read that. And then laughed again when I worked it out.

Perfect reply.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 30, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

i’ve been thinking more about this TP situation ever since jrw’s post on trading him. sadly, the more i pondered him and watched his game-play since then, the more my view of him has turned to SiMA’s (and the others of you of the same mind). in the last couple of weeks i’ve been thinking of some of the arguments that were made about what PG could we get to replace him. and then i started to think that if we did indeed entertain the idea of replacing him, why would we need to necessarily replace him with another PG of his caliber? couldn’t we get by with a decent point (albatross in a year or so), and replace TP with an otstanding scoring 3 or something of that nature that we still lack? you know that the lakers don’t need a PG of Tony’s caliber to be good, and last year’s celtics (because rondo has taken his game to another level this year) didn’t need one to win the title. why wouldn’t that scenario work with us?

by znimrod on Dec 29, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

This re-raises a point that someone, not me, used to defend Tony when I had brought up his lack of assist numbers, when compared to the league’s best PG’s.

The point was that in the Spurs’ system, it’s more about moving the ball with the extra pass to get an good look for the open man. And that b/c of this, even excellent, pass-first points who are looking to set up their teammates would see their assist #‘s decline if they played for S.A. Now, znimrod, you’re using a version of the same argument against Tony, and I think there’s a good case to be made on both sides.

With our system, would a competent PG be enough? It’s a question that will likely continue to come up as long as Tony ignores bigs running the floor on fast breaks; which he did again in the Memphis game – to the tune of being blocked a couple of times. Ok, I’ll stop before I start another riot.

Just return to your mantra, JRW: We’llnevergetvalueforParkerifwetradehiminthemiddleoftheseasonWe’llnevergetvalueforParkerifwetradehiminthemiddleoftheseasonWe’llnevergetvalueforParkerifwetradehiminthemiddleoftheseason

Ahhh, I feel better again. I’m so glad that still works.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 30, 2008 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

TP and the Final Play

One point that no one has made, and that typifies the frustration and love/hate thing many of us PtR folks have with Tony: after the game he said of the final play (paraphrase): “When I beat Hill, it forced Richardson to come to me, and I spotted Mason and trusted him.” If you look at the replay, Tony came no where near beating Hill. Richardson just screwed up. Couldn’t Tony just give full credit to Mason and blame to Richardson? No, he had to make himself more important to the outcome than he was (not to even mention his screw up on the other end on the previous play). He’s the only guy on the Spurs who consistently shows ego. I think it’s that contrast that makes him hard for us to love, even though we recognize that he can play brilliantly at times.

by agutierrez on Dec 27, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

Perfectly put….

“He’s the only guy on the Spurs who consistently shows ego. I think it’s that contrast that makes him hard for us to love, even though we recognize that he can play brilliantly at times.”

by speedostuffer on Dec 27, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

If Mason doesn’t drop that 3, how many guys would be killing TP for his Technical that made us have to go for 3 to win, instead of 2?

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 27, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

well, not to get into a technicality thing here, but we weren’t actually trying to go for a 3 straight up. but looking at our personnel on the floor and where they were spotting up, it’s pretty reasonable to conclude that if tony was going to kick it out, it was going to be for a 3. but i read a quote from Pop that said it was just a tony designed play for him to decide what to do, and that wherever the shooters were on the court, either a 2 or 3, is what they were looking for. he trusts his shooters to knock down a shot anywhere on the court, whether a 2 or 3, and that any kind of jump shot that is wide open is a good shot in his estimation…which is a lot more confidence i’ve seen him have in our shooters than in previous years.

but you’re still right about the tony technical – that was a boneheaded decision…he needs to keep his mouth shut that late in the game.

by znimrod on Dec 28, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair, it could be that when Tony speaks English and says “When I beat so-and-so…” he might mean “When I drove on so-and-so…” Maybe not, but it could be more a language thing than an ego thing.

by 4Him on Dec 29, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m all for giving guys the benefit of the doubt — but I think that’s a bit of a stretch. The man is in his, (what is it?) seventh year in the NBA, living in the US, and using American terms for playing basketball for eight months out of every year.

I love to parse what it is that players say in their interviews (post-game and otherwise) with the thought that they usually say what they mean even when they’re trying to hide what they actually think.

In this case, I think that Tony thinks he was past Hill — but from the replay (which he was apparently watching in the hallway outside the Spurs locker rooon) it’s obvious that Hill had done a great job of staying in front of him and forcing him to give up the ball.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 30, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

By the way, yesterday I beat my car to the grocery store where I saw a couple of kids driving up this old man.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 30, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

A Final Point

I know we’ve all moved on to the Memphis game and beyond, but one final point on the game winner vs. the Suns: when you look at the replay, watch Manu in the opposite corner from Mason. As soon as he recognizes that he will not get the pass from Tony, he circles around and heads for the basket in the off chance that, in case of a miss by Mason, he might be able to put back a tip-in. That’s how totally into the game and team Manu is. It’s what makes him, well, Manu!

by agutierrez on Dec 28, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

I hadn’t ever seen the family guy clip before. God that was funny. Well done on the recap.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Dec 28, 2008 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

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