Well, I'll be the first (this season) to propose it

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 12:03 AM CST Comment 60 comments

Is this premature? Yes. Is it likely inflammatory? Yes. Would it be imprudent, irresponsible and downright foolish? Yes, yes and yes.

But I'm going to toss this out there anyway, because, well, it's the intertubes, gentlemen -- also, it's fun to dream weird dreams from time to time. In that spirit, here goes.

With all of the backcourt depth we suddenly have, and in view of Frenchie McWonderbutt's performance against the Rickets (vis-à-vis TP's play where he ignored an open Masonic to shoot and miss a long, ill-advised jumper himself) what kind of forward/center could we get for Mr. Longoria?

Yes, I'm wondering who we could hope to get back in a trade involving a Tony Parker and a team willing to give up a good big for him. Who, outside of our division, has a need for a point guard and has an extra frontcourt hoss that could help us with our rebounding/defending-the-paint issues?

Any ideas?

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I believe this trade is in order

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=19661015874&teams=2455&te=&cash=

by r21x on Dec 2, 2008 12:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hmmmmm, that’s a good effort, and you made the dollars work, but I’m not sure that he rebounds or defends bigs well enough to fill the need everybody’s been griping about in the game threads.

Better try again.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=199823841015866874&teams=2424191919&te=&cash=

Is this guy avalible?

by r21x on Dec 2, 2008 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, now we’re at least talking. This is more like what I was thinking.

So, you’ve definitely hit the rebounding nail on the head, but there’s also the defending thing still hanging there being ignored — to mix metaphors.

Also, I was thinking about something just a tiny bit more on the realistic side. Not to quibble, but there it is.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you able to tell me who the trades are for?

My work surfing security is blocking it.

Also, I was looking for a rebounder and shotblocker and came up with Samuel Dalembert.
Stats-wise, he might fit the bill but not sure whether he’s a Spurs type of player.

Also, he makes about $10million a year. WOW!!!

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the first was for LeBron, the second was for Dwight Howard

Samuel Dalembert — there you go, something more based in reality. He pulls down 8 boards playing 26 min per game and shooting FG’s at a 53% clip. Dunno if he can play any D tho, and frankly can’t remember ever having seen him play. But his career mark of 8 pts per game fits right in with our current crew of centers, so that’s a plus.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, ok, so 2 trades based in reality.

Any way we can trade for a circa 1960 Bill Russell, r21x?

His stats that year were 16.9 points and 23.9 rebounds per game.

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No we can’t, because he would block the trade.

by Hipuks on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think blocks were recorded then ;)

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 6:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your two trades were also the first ones that came to me. Sad, really.

We could always buy Tony out and wait for 2010. I hear it’s going to be a good year!

by LatinD on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, loved that you added the JV in both trades.

by LatinD on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This enormous and not-yet-fully-justified adoration of George Hill to the point of lunacy has simply got to stop.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 2, 2008 12:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

First, what part of

imprudent, irresponsible and downright foolish

do you not understand? It’s acknowledged that we shouldn’t trade him (yet). I’m not advocating dumping his croissant-eating, beret-wearing, ball hogging butt anytime soon. I’m just starting a discussion to see what develops. Sheesh!

Second, this is utterly due to a misplaced and unearned adulation of Mace Windu, and it hurts me that you would attribute it to anything else.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s getting catty in here….

You’re defensive, I wasn’t even talking directly to you. Just venting. You didn’t even mention Cubits in your post, and I was just opining. Is there something you feel guilty or insecure about perhaps? Something that manifested maybe out of my statement about Georgey?? Maybe an unfettered man-love slowly developing for an IUPUI alum?

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I’m defensive. But I’m not hiding anything. I love Potential Hill and I don’t care who knows. I just think it’s too soon to propose a trade for Parker, expecting Hill to fill in for him. We’d need someone with a bit more experience running the point than a rookie. Someone who’d already filled in for a while in that capacity. Someone with a few years in the NBA under his belt. Someone like a certain Masondogggg. Yes, that’s the ticket.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Geez, what time is it where you guys are now?

Usually around this time, you are all sleeping while I pretend to work. (1.5 hrs to go YES!!)

Anyway, I did have the TP trade thought but for only a nano-second. Like SiMA said, the George Hill adulation may be warranted but it’s a bit too early for him to be running the show.

Although…….we did have a 19 y.o. TP start 72 games as a rookie.

No stop!!! Too early, too risky.

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Being a SPURS fan is like a heroin addiction— we’re all jones-ing right about now each night. Unfortunately there’s no game to ridicule tonight so we have only each other.

by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 2, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Come to the dark side, werdnawee. I sense the conflict within you. Join Mace Windu and me, and we will rule S.A. without the distractions of French rap being played in the clubhouse, or requests for quiche in the post-game spread.

The time, ah, yes. Well it’s 1am. Far, far too late to be up blogging about trading one of our Big Three. But currently, I’m having way too much fun to go to bed.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m surprised it took this long for this thread to appear.

Is Kevin Martin available?

by sungo on Dec 2, 2008 12:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sam Dalembert and Thad Young for TP and Ime. Kevin Martin won’t help on the bords.

by speedostuffer on Dec 2, 2008 1:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

The problem with TP for Dalembert is that the 76ers already have a PG in Andre Miller and he’s seems to have had a resurgence the last 2 years.

So they don’t really need TP.

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is your post based off of one game (Rockets)? If so, that deserves a REC. During the game thread I did not hide my feelings for all things Tony Parker. I understand it was his second game back from his injury, but some of the things he did were downright ignorant. That being said, I still love the guy and would HATE to see him go.

But then again, any scenario that involves The JV being shipped out of here, I’m all for it!

"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"

by SinCitySpur on Dec 2, 2008 2:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Poor The JV.

He wasn’t even in the discussion and we’re trying to ship him.

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 2:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And he only makes $1.3m a year.

Not much we can do with that.

ESPN (I know you guys aren’t fans) Power ranking comment about the Spurs -

"So let me get this straight:

San Antonio is a mere 2-5 when Parker is healthy,
1-1 when Parker, Ginobili and Duncan all play …
and 6-2 when Timmy is on his own because neither Parker nor Ginobili is available? Huh?"

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 2:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah, sorry, jolly, this is crazy talk. It’s all those things you said (imprudent, foolish, etc.), but there’s another thing that bothers me: I don’t want to trade anyone in the Big Three. Guys like Tony and Manu that have given me so much joy – I want them to finish their career in black and white.

I know, I would make a lousy GM, but that’s how I feel.

by LatinD on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

(unless LBJ or Dwight wants to wear Silver and Black)

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sellout.

by LatinD on Dec 2, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ahhh, the memories.

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LD, I feel that way about TD and Manu, but not TP.

He’s a great player and I love it when he’s on, but he’s never made it into “untouchable” status with me. Why not? I’m writing a longer piece about that that I’ll post sometime soon.

But we do love to poke fun at him. Enjoy this link again, for the first time. You’ll need to scroll down to the imagined conversation between Pop and TP. It’s one of my faves.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Dec 2, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course I don’t love Tony like I do Manu, but still. I just care about players who played for us for so long – despite how much I wish we had other, more giving PGs.

And damn, so far Stampler’s been pretty off regarding JV, Hill, Bonner, Udoka and Finley. (But he nailed Mason.) Guess there was no way to guess how they’d start the year. I hope they continue to prove him wrong.

by LatinD on Dec 2, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s what I mean if we have to one more of the Big 3.

Tim is untouchable.
I would love for Manu to retire a Spurs
But if one needed/had to be traded, I would rather it be Tony.

I think most people would feel that way (all things being considered – $, need, age etc)

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s suppose to read -

“That’s what I mean if we have to move one of the Big 3.”

by werdnawee on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve had deep and dark dreams about Timmy and superman (small s till he cops a ring) tag-teaming the NBA and putting the rest of the wannabes in a suplex till Timmy retires.. I’d give up Tony (and my left ~~nut~~ arm) in a heartbeat and to see that happen.

by hak518 on Dec 2, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is a bad idea

Hes one of the best penetrators in the league, hes nearly unstoppable, and with Manus recent spade of injuries, we can forfeit that ability.

However, the only guys I would do this for would be Dwight Howard or Chris Bosh.

I think this would make us worse off, however. George Hill is looking great, but he’s no TP.

Lets get Mahinmi going and he’ll provide the much needed athleticism to the front court.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 2, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree, we need to keep Parker. Picking up Chris Bosh would be amazing…he tore it up this summer for the Olympic team and could do the same for a team like the Spurs. The more likely scenario is that we keep drafting big men, hopefully this time for one that we don’t have to ship overseas to play Euro ball. I’d be content with Blake Griffin from Oklahoma: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36259

by cutlassbob on Dec 2, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Im sure he'll be a lottery pick

And this team wont be missing the playoffs. So we’d better hope Tiago, who had lottery talent, finally comes over and contributes.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 2, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point, but it was fun to hope (briefly!). What are the chances of Tiago coming next year? If I’m thinking right, we have several contracts up in 2010 (mostly role players I think) that we could ditch in order to pay Tiago the money he wants to leave Europe.

by cutlassbob on Dec 2, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What contracts end and how much money Tiago wants to leave Europe are irrelevant unless the rules change. As a first round pick, he has an assigned salary. The Spurs can’t offer him any more than that amount. It’s probably a little less than a million a year.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 2, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Completely forgot about that. So, is it theoretically possible to sign Tiago Splitter to a one year contract at the rookie amount, then give him a bigger multi-year contract the next year? Or are there contract legalities that prevent something like this?

by cutlassbob on Dec 2, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, there are legalities. A rookie contract is for 2 guaranteed and then the club has some options at preset levels for another 2 years (I’m pretty sure that’s how it works).

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 2, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NEW QUESTION!

how many NBA GMs do y’all think play around on this trade machine thing. It’s gotta be worse than solitaire as far as a productivity killer… a productivity killer that can actually be pseudo productive…

I’ve always wondered if they have access to some crazy alternate realm in which trades occur in a fashion like in NBA 2K9….

This is probably the next best thing…

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by scrappy-doo on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1996833438277428058668741977&teams=2828282828282824&te=&cash=

by r21x on Dec 2, 2008 11:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i was told by my old man to trade the whole team.

by r21x on Dec 2, 2008 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If only.

by LatinD on Dec 3, 2008 4:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've actually been thinking about this for a week

While I’m not as down on TP as jolly I do think the Spurs should explore some options. Tony is amazing at what he does, he is an all-star and a great player on a great team, but there are some other factors to consider in trading him besides that our record with him on the court is 2-5 (i’m not counting the Miami game that he got hurt in) and that we have been out scored 102.2 to 96.7 in the games he’s played. I think it may be worth looking into trading him if we can get the following 3 things:

1. talent that can help us this year 2. cap relief 3. a high draft pick.

The only team dumb enough to give us (and can give us) all 3 of those things in my opinion is the Clippers. There are a lot of flaws in this trade but i think its at least partly realistic and will help the Spurs: Parker for Camby and Hart along with the Clippers first round pick in this year. I know they already have an all star point guard but Davis is bound to get hurt and they may be dumb enough to run davis and tony at the same time, anyways its not like Camby and Kaman aren’t superfluous already.

About Camby, he’s old and a poor one on one defender, but he can still rebound and blocks shots and that means that KT and Fab will play less which is already a positive. His salary is a rare one that declines every year instead of increases and it runs out a year sooner than tony’s which means that we will have even more cap space in 2010 for Bosh/lebron/whoever. And the last positive is that there will be no pressure to resign him in 2010 because he will be like 37 (which means its a guarantee that the spurs will sign him for 8 million for 2 years). And if anyone here believes that we can beat the Lakers with the way our frontcourt is presently constituted then you are deceived my friend, even if our backcourt gets on track.

About the draft pick, even with Tony the Clips are a lottery team and even though this years draft is not that deep the Spurs are great at finding gems and think about what they can get with a top ten pick as long as they don’t waste it on another Euro player that is under contract and that they will end up being too cheap to bring over (even though right now the euro is weak prolly won’t be in a year).

Realistically this is not going to happen and it probably shouldn’t. The spurs aren’t even a quarter through the season and sometimes these things take time, i’m sure those four will figure out how to play together and maybe tony will learn how to pass more and shoot less, then again…

by staves27 on Dec 3, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

sorry i didn’t realize that was so damn long

by staves27 on Dec 3, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's not a horrible suggestion

So far, Tony seems to be actively hurting the team, particularly the other guards (Manu and Mason), when he’s in the game. It’s like he comes in, and he either jacks up crazy, selfish shots, or he passively stands around and does nothing. He’s not getting his teammates involved or helping out in any way other than scoring. Hopefully it’s just a rust issue, not a “I’m the man now!” Kobe type issue.

That said, I don’t think we should give up on Ian Mahinmi just yet. The Spurs shouldn’t need more scoring out of that position, just athleticism and defense, and I would think there’s some chance Ian could provide that. If Pop will play him, that is.

Catch the Spurs Spirit! It's a Fast-breakin' Fiesta!

by tomasito on Dec 3, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs