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A win is a win is a win, but "man, our defense and defensive rebounding really suck" - Minnesota Timberwolves Game Recap

…and did ATS hit the nail on the head with that line or what?

 

The obvious good news here is that our boys are finally in the win column.  The obvious bad news is that it took this much of an effort against a team that is nowhere near pay-off status.  That said, off we go….

 

Up front, here is one game observation:

 

Thank whoever you choose to worship for Tony Parker tonite.  His 55 points were not only a career high, but he also found time to dole out 10 assists.  Only Michael Jordan and Oscar Robertson have accomplished that feat before Frenchy. Very nice.

 

Some T-Wolves Stuff:

 

The atmosphere at the beginning of this game was almost unreal – eerily quiet with a bunch of empty seats.  You could hear the coaches and players yelling pretty clearly at times. It had the feel of a pre-season game, or perhaps one of those late season playing out the string games. That changed later, but early on, it was very quiet in there.

 

Does Mike Miller have his tongue pierced?  Sure looked like it to me on a couple of up close shots.  Just asking.

 

Did anyone know that Kevin Love can throw a chest pass the full length of the court?  I followed him in college and it is kind of an amazing feat if you see it.  Typically, once a game, you will see him wrist-whip a long out of bounds pass out after a made basket.  He did it once last night, then ran down the court to collect a pass and nail a three.

 

One of the guy’s in a jacket and tie behind the T-Wolves bench was little used Center Calvin Booth.  Can’t believe this guy still draws a check in the NBA, but he did go to the same High School as I did.

 

Jim Petersen, the game analyst for the Timberwolves TV network, admitted that he had never head of George Hill’s alma mater, IUPUI.  OK, so maybe the place isn’t universally known, but if you are a professional in the sport…….maybe just don’t admit that you didn’t know that on TV, OK?

 

Onto the Game:

The first quarter of this game was flat brutal.  Neither team could hit a shot other than Tony for us and Mike Miller for them. It took until the 3:30 mark of the first quarter for someone other than Frenchy to score for the Spurs.  That happened on a Roger Mason free throw after a defensive three-seconds call. Both teams shot something near 30% for the first, which ended at 18 a piece.  George Hill came off the bench as Parker’s replacement rather than the JV for the first time this season.

 

Minnesota was a little quicker to pick up the tempo as the second quarter moved on.  Their second unit brought some hustle as they began to out work the Spurs for offensive rebounds and loose balls.  Kevin Love manufactured a couple of these with Oberto-esque tip outs.  This represented the continuance of an alarming trend of second chance opportunities that the Spurs have been giving up so far this year.  Timberwolves opened up a six point advantage in the second and Tony is the only Spur with a pulse, as he gets to the line on two consecutive trips while twisting Sebastian Telfair into knots.  Telfair’s only choice on these two trips is to clobber Tony as if he were Manu Ginobili in Denver.

 

At the six minute mark of the second, the Spurs are down 36-28 and a bunch of us are probably throwing up in our mouths a little.  I know I was.  Roger Mason gives the Spurs a little hope down the stretch of the first half and Timmy finally makes a few hoops to pull within four at the break. The bad news here is that Minne puts up 31 in the second quarter.  Second chance points off the offensive glass are killing the Spurs.

 

Roger Mason starts the second half for the Spurs again – perhaps he is the new Manu Ginobili? Like everybody else, I like Roger out there.  Is it me, or does it seem like the only runs the Spurs have made this season have come with him on the floor?

 

What I didn’t like about the Third is Popovich trying to put Mike Finley on Kevin Love.  On four straight possessions of that, the Wolves got two lay-ups and two give up hacks by the Fin-Dog.  In the early part of the quarter, Minne keeps their lead by continually outworking the Spurs.  We are just flat giving up too many open looks and too many offensive rebounds.  That’s one thing, but its too often coupled with too many stale possessions and too many clanged open looks.

 

Things do begin to look up in the back half of the third as Parker continues to torch whoever draws him.  They tried Brewer, McCants, Foye and Telfair in this game, all pretty much met the same fate.  Roger Mason also checks back and brings a few makes with him.  His jumper draws the Spurs even at 68 with 2 minutes left in the third.

 

Here is a tell tail sign of this game and of the Spurs problems so far this year:  Over the course of the second half, the Spurs hit on 10 shots in a row and score on something like 14 out of 15 possessions and still they are tied with 3:30 to go in the fourth. This is basically all Tony Parker, with a little bit of Tim and Roger Mason thrown in at this point.  For every hustle play and second chance point and shot made by the Timberwolves, the Spurs have an answer…and that answer is #9 putting someone in the popcorn popper.  Parker finished the game shooting 22 of 36.  WOW.

 

The game sees and saws with Duncan finally getting in a groove hitting a couple of shots down the stretch. Minnesota continues to match us and regulation ends with Roger Mason calmly nailing a bank shot with 2 seconds left to tie the game.

 

These overtime periods were tough.  I can’t believe that the Spurs legs held together.  The Timberwolves played very hard and very well in this game and could have very easily won this game.  However, this was not to be their night.  The Spurs FINALLY got a second chance point early in the first OT when Roger Mason hit a free throw off a possession when Timmy got an offensive rebound.  The first OT ends with Tim nailing two clutch free throws, Al Jefferson hitting an impossible jump hook and then Tony canning the jumper of the night to keep the game alive. He took a hand-off from Ime Udoka and straight-up nailed a long two from the wing at the buzzer….so we play on.

 

In the second OT, Parker kept it going with three more baskets and 3 out of 4 at the free throw line.  Al Jefferson hit a pair of shots and Randy Foye hit a three ball to bring Minne back to within a point with 35 seconds to play. On that one, Fin-Dog missed a rotation when Oberto doubled down on Al Jefferson. I thought Pop was gonna kill him in the time out that followed.  Fortunately, Parker hit both free throws when fouled and the T-Wolves went to a cold Rashad McCants who missed a three to tie the game.  Then, the remarkable happened – the Spurs sealed the game when Tony Parker chased down the rebound.

 

It should be noted that the Spurs shot 7 of 8 free throws in the overtime periods and went 23 of 28 for the game.

 

In addition to Parker’s double nickel, Tim had 30 and Roger Mason chipped in 26. No other Spur scored in double figures.  Ime Udoka had eight. Mason and Miller had 30 and 25 respectively for the Timberwolves.  Some other items: Bruce Bowen finally played in the second half and logged a whopping 33 minutes. Bonner started the game and played only six minutes. Not much of Kurt Thomas in this game as well.  He played just over 12 minutes.  George Hill played very well in a few stretches off the bench after miserably clanking his first shot attempt. Somehow Mike Finley led the Spurs with a +12.

 

Its nice to get a win and all, but right now the Spurs do not look at all like one of the top teams in the league, conference or their division, frankly. I’m going to assume that the defensive intensity will pick-up.  It always does.  The part that we had better fix quick is defensive rebounding, so if you want to find a button to hit for this team, hit that one.

 

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Great recap

Missed the first half of the game, but got to see the 2nd half (and the “third half” in the two overtimes). I’ve always been a Parker guy. I don’t think many Spurs fans give him his due and I don’t think you have to be either/or on Tony and the Sickness. I love both of them. But this game was way beyond what I ever thought he was capable of. No one could stay in front on the drive and if they sat back, he hit the jumpers. It was a thrill to watch.

That said, I echo everyone’s comments on the defense and rebounding. Before the season started, I told friends I’d be happy with 10-10 in our first 20 games. Then, the return of the Sickness and real Spurs basketball begins, followed by a strong second half surge and a deep playoff run. Now, 7-13 looks more reasonable. This team has a long way to go to find its legs at this point.

On another bright note, I’m thrilled to see Pop playing some of the kids (Hill, Farmer) a bit. I was afraid he’d make them sit early to watch and learn, but we simply don’t have that luxury. My one complaint in this area is that it’s time to see Ian out there (is he hurt?).

Finally, I officially have a crush on Roger Mason. The guy can flat-out shoot.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley

by spurchief on Nov 6, 2008 9:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Btw, good to see you back.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good to be back

Way too much real-life in August through October getting in the way of my true passion.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley

by spurchief on Nov 6, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice recap

Thanks for sharing.

Since I’m also in love with Mason (someone calls him BlackBarry at ST, and I sure hope that’s not offensive, because I find it pretty funny), I’ll add that he grabbed two consecutive offensive rebounds in that second OT, and basically iced the game.

Someone already mentioned this last night, and Hollinger also brought it up in one of his articles: considering our biggest problem right now is defense, and defensive rebounding in particular, just how much are we hoping that Manu’s return will help us? We’d definitely win more games, because he has a huge impact in the Spurs, but in the long run? We’re screwed if we don’t pick up our D.

(Talking about Hollinger, he used a new magic figure of his to prove Amare’s big night was juuuust a bit bigger than Tony’s. Read that, and tell me if he doesn’t come across as an idiot when he loses himself in his own sta(ego)tistical analysis. I’d like to read his justifications for those formulas he uses all the time, seriously. And I usually like what he writes, too, so it’s not a matter of hating him for being bald and math-inclined.)

Let’s keep it going next friday, fellas. Remember that we have the Big Fella Up There on our side.

by LatinD on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Concurration (if that is a real word)

if our defense doesn’t pick up, then we are royally screwed this year, with our without MANU. i got back home to finish off the fourth and the 2 OTs, and sweating bullets trying to believe we had to go 2 OTs to beat the wolves. i had convinced myself that we were going to lose at both the end of regulation and the first OT, but somehow we managed to pull out a couple of big shots. Tim’s at the end of reg. and Tony’s big J were two pretty huge shots. i just listened to the radio feed and didn’t get to see it until ESPN highlights, so when i did see those shots i realized i would have been crapping my pants if i was watching live. Tim’s little running banker wasn’t an easy shot, and i would have been throwing in the towel had i seen TP pulling up for that long range J. anyway, like bones says, a win is a win is a win.

and i am in love with Mason, too. i would say that i was totally psyched when we signed him, and didn’t understand why everyone didn’t think he was anything special, but no one would believe me if i did, so i’ll refrain. so onto the heat now…can we make it 2 in a row?

by znimrod on Nov 6, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks guys for your kind words.

+1 to the man crush on roger mason. he will be a great 4th option when manu does come back, but man, do we need another guy to clean off the glass.

i was kind of hoping that KT and Fab-O would pick up some of this slack, but they arent getting it done. maybe its time to thriw yawn in there and give him one mission – get the ball when the other team misses!!! assuming that he returns full strength pretty soon, that is.

the spurs cannot just let that one ride and hope that someone picks it up IMHO. it won’t happen and it will kill us every game.

by bones on Nov 6, 2008 12:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent recap. You misquoted me though. I had an extra “really” in there.

On the FinDog blown rotation comment, I wasn’t sure if it was Finley or Oberto who messed it up. It looked to me like Pop was yelling at Oberto coming off the floor, but it was a quick camera shot.

The one thing that hasn’t been mentioned was Finley inexplicably shooting his three pointer with 26 seconds left on the clock right after Mason’s first offensive rebound. What the hell was that? Where was his head? It was like he wasn’t paying attention to the game.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 6, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think i copy/pasted your comment from the live game blog. no matter how many reallys, it is the truth.

i did have a whole section on mike finley in my original cut, including that crazy jacked up 3-ball, but i edited most all of it out except for the part about pop trying to match him up with kevin love – i cannot tell you how much that infuriated me – not so much that he did it once, but let it go for as long as he did and then even went back to it for a trip or two in the 4th. i was ready to kill someone.

the bottom line on the dog is that i cannot understand why pop is playing him right now. he should play only when roger needs a blow…and let it be said that i like mike. just not at the moment.

what i saw on that time out was pop yelling at fin, and fin trying to give an explantion. pop then shook his head, barked until his face got red and then gave the “get the fark outta here” hand wave. he may well have barked at some other guys as well (he was doing a lot of barking last night). i got the T-wolves feed from League Pass, but maybe you local guys got the Sean Elliot/Bill Land version? maybe that showed some different angles.

by bones on Nov 6, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You definitely saw more than me. And I know that hand wave thing that Pop does. Gets me in trouble with the wife when I do it to her.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

one friendly piece of advice – do not teach your son/daughter to do the hand wave to your wife either.

by bones on Nov 6, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

when i heard from the radio feed that he jacked it up right after Mason rebounded it, i was histerical with bewilderment. that’s a rookie mistake made by a veteran, and it could have cost us the game. i hope Pop keeps that in the back of his mind and uses it to sit him on the bench more.

by znimrod on Nov 6, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a terrible shot

I was like WTF is he doing!!!!! That guy is D-U-N….yet, here he is with the Spurs playing crunch time minutes. I’m not sure he makes the top 8 anywhere else in the league.

It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin

by DennardC on Nov 6, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always been a fan of Findog, but Pop’s needs to curb his minutes.

It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin

by DennardC on Nov 6, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree. it seems like he gets the minutes because Pop knows we need more offense and fin can hit 3s. my big hope that probably won’t come true is that tolliver can be a guy that takes finley’s minutes later in the year, seeing that he’s a big who can defend decently and shoot the long ball. then we wouldn’t have to play the findog in our offensive small-ball rotation as much, and we can match up better against bigger lineups with still having enough firepower to justify it.

by znimrod on Nov 7, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The title definitely says it all. Our two-headed monster center combo managed to pull down (that’s being generous) 5 boards in 44 minutes. My new man-crush Roger Mason almost pulled down as many boards as our “centers” (again, I use the term loosely). I guess that is what happens when you are old and have no vertical.

I’m willing to put money on one of them being dealt by the trade deadline (hopefully Oberto).

I refuse to believe that Finley led us with a +12, no matter what the numbers say. , 1-9 shooting, nice.

"Well if I am truly crazy, don't you know I like my life that way"

by SinCitySpur on Nov 6, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Is something wrong with Ian?

Is he hurt or does Pop not trust him yet? I would understand to some degree if that were the case, but I will also admit that several times last night, I found myself wondering if a 6-10 athletic beast prone to fouling and hitting his head on the rafters might be useful against Al Jefferson, who abused everyone down low (TD included). 3 DNP-CDs are not going to tell us if he’s ready in April when we might need him.

Bottom line for me is this: we are going to be a mediocre team for the first 3 months of this season. Our defensive rotations are going to be late because of integrating new players in, of course, we’re missing Argentinian Jesus, and in “good” years, the Spurs usually start out slow. The key will be staying within striking distance of the Hornets, Lakers, and Rockets. If we are 5-7 games back in early January, I think we’ll be OK. If we are more than that, then we can officially panic.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley

by spurchief on Nov 6, 2008 4:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ian badly sprained his ankle just before the preseason started. He is still on the shelf. I think he is expected back in the next couple weeks.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Nov 6, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good to know....

…cause I was afraid that Pop had gone Unabomber mental in the offseason (the beard being the best evidence of this). My opinion before the season was that Ian has to be a significant contributor this season if the Spurs are going to make a deep playoff run. Watching us get outrebounded against Dallas (Dallas? Really?) and not get any 2nd chance points until the 2OT last night has only reinforced that opinion.

I will now do my voodoo dance to facilitate faster healing of Ian’s afflicted ankle. Does it look as bad as the one in the picture posted this summer? (Was that you, ATS, or SiMA?)

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley

by spurchief on Nov 6, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was ATS’s ankle, but he doesn’t really like to talk about it — he simply prefers to post it at random times and places to scare off any weak-stomached PTR faithful.

spurchief, I must say that I completely agree with you that “we are going to be a mediocre team for the first 3 months of this season. Our defensive rotations are going to be late because of integrating new players in” I’d been mulling the idea of writing an entire post around this point, since I think it’s the main issue as to why the Spurs are struggling to get stops — especially at the ends of games. Of course, when Finley and Oberto combine to leave the opponent’s 3pt shooters open with the game on the line, then it doesn’t really support my theory — but I suppose it could be the exception that proves the rule.

I am calm, filling myself with patience - Manu Ginobili

by jollyrogerwilco on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All of these things are related. The bad defensive rotations lead to poor rebounding. When we run late at open shooters (or worse, stand in no-man’s land, like your Finley/Oberto example), it opens rebounding lanes for the other team. There’s no one there to box out, especially if several players have taken a step towards a shooter and left their man near the hoop. Once the knowledge of where to go and the speed of the rotations improve, you’ll see the rebounding get better as well, I suspect.

BTW, I’m watching the Portland game right now and it’s the third time I’ve seen them already this year. I like George Hill (and defended the pick this summer after seeing him in Vegas), but one guy a lot of mock drafts had us taking – Nicolas Batum – could have helped us this year. The guy has a huge wingspan and just beat TMac to the baseline to take a charge. He’s RAW, but he’d be a beast guarding anyone from a point guard to the forward spot. Not sure how he compares offensively to Curious George and we probably won’t know until George’s thumb heals. But Batum looks like disruptive annoying defender in the 3 games I’ve seen him in so far.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley

by spurchief on Nov 6, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i have heard that the spurs tried everything that they could to draft batum, but they couldnt work out a deal and he got scooped up ahead of them.

by bones on Nov 7, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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