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we're for sale

not the spurs. ptr is for sale.

found this on amazon. notice that while we may be the 10th best selling basketball blog, we're the number one best selling spurs blog.

and really, that's all i care about.

http://www.amazon.com/Pounding-the-Rock-Spurs/dp/B000N8V2L0/ref=sr_1_38?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid= 1196998918&sr=8-38

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Re: we're for sale
PtR is #10 out of 11!

Yeah, I had nothing to do with this.  Every SportsBlogs Nation blog is on there.

by sungo on Dec 6, 2007 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

Re: we're for sale
$0.99?  I'm almost insulted.
chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Dec 6, 2007 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

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For a second you got me all excited and I thought maybe we'd be bringing an owner who isn't mortified by the thought of being a couple of bucks over the luxury tax.

(sigh).

by Aaronstampler on Dec 7, 2007 7:02 AM CST reply actions  

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Yea, cuz this owner we've got now sucks. He has no idea how to run a successful NBA team.

by pollackj on Dec 7, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

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Well sir, not to start an argument or anything, but I for one think that he doesn't. He happened to get lucky enough to hire Pop, but that's been about it as far as his positive influence on the team. Sure, people say he lets his basketball people do their jobs without meddling, but doesn't setting a hard line budget restriction count as meddling? He pretty much forced the team to give away Scola for nothing and most of the Spurs personnel moves are made with an eye on the bottom line instead of whether the players would help us on the court.

by Aaronstampler on Dec 7, 2007 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

Re: we're for sale
Well Stampy, I'll bite.  I would say that setting a hard line budget is the part that an owner should do.  That's not meddling, that's business.  Then he let's his basketball people make the basketball decisions.  Unless a team has an egocentric owner for whom money means nothing, pick one of many, then all personnel moves should be made with an eye on the bottom line AS WELL AS how the players would help on the court.  So, no, I would not count that as meddling.

It was either last year or the year before that was the first year the Spurs showed a profit.  They have had to achieve a great amount of success in the league to even have minimal business success.  And don't forget, besides having the more limited small market, the Spurs -- like the Pacers, Nets, and Nuggets -- have the added handicap of having to give away 1/7th of their television income.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 7, 2007 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

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The Spurs franchise is worth a hell of a lot more than when Holt and his group bought it. They're all going to turn a tremendous profit. Spending 10 million bucks here and there won't kill them. Don't forget that both Manu and Tony are making less than they would be on the open market.

I'm not saying I want them to spend money stupidly like the Knicks. I'm just saying the Scola thing and a couple of other moves they made were money decisions much more than basketball ones.

by Aaronstampler on Dec 7, 2007 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

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It is worth more than when they bought it, very true.  I don't know what they bought it for (or what their operating losses have been in that time), but conveniently the Forbes list came out today and their estimated value is $405 with an operating revenue of $15 million.  Clearly, sports franchises are an equity building business and not an income business.  Still, both the income and the equity values are reflected in your contracts.  It only takes a one bad contract (say over paying Rashard Lewis by $50 million or anything being paid to Raef Lafrentz) to really cut into your equity value.  The Spurs have managed to avoid those of late and managed to get rid of Malik's and Rasho's contracts.  (Do you realize they are both making about between $7-$8 millions?)

The contracts for Tony and Manu do seem like values to us, especially now, but when they signed they weren't discounts really.  I think Tony signed his prior to the 2005 season when he hadn't really shown a consistent offensive game -- if you want to call his consistent now -- and Manu was the year before in 2004.  Manu had only completed his second year and was still somewhat of an enigma.  He hadn't become the Sickness.  So, in a business sense, you could say the Spurs are currently being rewarded for the risk they took in signing both Tony and Manu to long term contracts.  Of course, we all knew they were good signings at the time, unlike The Bill Simmons who dissed Manu's signing.

Looking at current rosters and the salaries players are getting, it is very difficult to determine how much of a "less than open market" value each guy is.

For Tony, looking at other shooting point guards, it's apples and oranges.  Nash makes $11.3M and is clearly one of the great bargains.  A lot of the guys are either WAY overpaid: Marbury, WAY underpaid:  Paul, D. Williams and other rookies playing for $3-4M, or tough to compare:  Kidd and Iverson at $19+.  Devin Harris just signed an extension at $8M.  I think Tony is better, by far, but I don't know by how much.

Manu, on the other hand, makes less than a LOT of wingmen in the league (12th best shooting guard my ass) and is a LOT better.  Carter, Allen, Jefferson, Pierce, Josh Howard, The Jet (makes almost the exact same), Joe Johnson, Lewis, Stojakovic, etc.  I'm still laughing.  

NOTE:  I found the purchase price at the Forbes site.  I'll add that info later.  Right now I have to go cook dinner.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 7, 2007 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: we're for sale
The Spurs were purchased in 1996 for $76 million.

You can find a bunch of information (which I'm not good at deciphering) here at Forbes.com.

It shows the Spurs having positive income for many years, so I don't know why I believe/heard that last year was the first year they made money.  Maybe I'll research this whole bad boy at some point in the future.

After the Utah game, Manu is definitely underpaid.  And Tony, well, he might be overpaid.  

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 8, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

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